John Clayton: Colin Kaepernick to the Jets? (speculation)

[Lakerfan80]

Mo and a 2nd rounder is a steal for Kaepernick and the Jets would never get him for that. Kaepernick needs to keep improving in the pocket and as a passer but he has all the physical skills, a strong arm, and his true vale is in taking care of the ball. 21 picks in 39 starts for a guy still learning the pocket is great. If the 49ers need to get out of that contract and rebuild they will have plenty of suitors for Kaepernick, one possibly in our own division, Rex and his Bills.

 

[Superman55]

Mo and a 2nd rounder is a steal for Kaepernick and the Jets would never get him for that. Kaepernick needs to keep improving in the pocket and as a passer but he has all the physical skills, a strong arm, and his true vale is in taking care of the ball. 21 picks in 39 starts for a guy still learning the pocket is great. If the 49ers need to get out of that contract and rebuild they will have plenty of suitors for Kaepernick, one possibly in our own division, Rex and his Bills.

I would love, love, love the bills getting Kapernick. I think we can defend the wildcat.

As I said above, Mo for Kapernick would be too much for me. A 3rd rd pick in 2016 and a future 2nd if he hits the pro bowl with us the year after the trade or a 3rd in 2017 if he doesn't. People are willing to throw a 1 and Mo for a guy who looks like Grossman after he "took the Bears to the super bowl." Then after the defense and run game went away got exposed. Kapernick is someplace between Grossman and Sanchez; but one thin he isn't and will not be, is a franchise QB.

If you're going to send the farm to get someone, at least let it be for a pro style QB that has a chance to be a franchise guy.

Funny Kapernick and rg3 have a little success, get the organization excited, then get their coach run out of town who designed the gimmick offense to fit their limited skill sets. I don't want a QB with limited upside.

 

[Superman55]

I would not mind making a deal for Kaepernick. But if that deal involves Mo, there had better be some serious picks coming back to the Jets.

Clayton's scenario had Kapernick leading the 9ers to 3-4 wins...meaning that is proof he's not a franchise QB. The worst record a team had with a franchise QB last year was 6-10, Matt Ryan and Eli, Brees and Cam won 7 games.

You're telling me the the 9ers win 3 or 4 games and you want to send a 1, 3, and all pro DE for a QB that leads his team to 3-4 wins? Come on.

Im with you...if we send a 1 and Mo for kapernick...it better include their top 5 back in return...because its obvious Kapernick isnt a franchise QB.

 

[Lakerfan80]

I would love, love, love the bills getting Kapernick. I think we can defend the wildcat.

As I said above, Mo for Kapernick would be too much for me. A 3rd rd pick in 2016 and a future 2nd if he hits the pro bowl with us the year after the trade or a 3rd in 2017 if he doesn't. People are willing to throw a 1 and Mo for a guy who looks like Grossman after he "took the Bears to the super bowl." Then after the defense and run game went away got exposed. Kapernick is someplace between Grossman and Sanchez; but one thin he isn't and will not be, is a franchise QB.

If you're going to send the farm to get someone, at least let it be for a pro style QB that has a chance to be a franchise guy.

Funny Kapernick and rg3 have a little success, get the organization excited, then get their coach run out of town who designed the gimmick offense to fit their limited skill sets. I don't want a QB with limited upside.

in 3 seasons as a starter the most interceptions he has thrown in a season is 10, with over 400 attempts the last two seasons. He isn't all the way there as a pocket passer but neither is Russell but he is just 27, stays healthy and has all the skills. If a 1st round pick is involved I'd would rather make a play on a top rookie QB, assuming they are still top QB's come next June. For a 2nd rounder and Mo, I would make that deal.

 

[hobson54]

So let me get this straight....Clayton is saying if Kap struggle AGAIN this season the 49ers will want to trade him. OK I with it so far.

Where he loses me is he is then saying the Jets will trade for Kap by giving up Wilkerson and a high draft pick despite his poor play and huge contract because the Jets have forever been a QB needy team?

Come on this is stupid even for Madden

lol...that was my take on it as well.

if the premise is the niners stink, wouldn't one assume that kaepernick's value won't be that high?

personally, i'm not sure i would trade mo straight up for him. while he's phyiscally gifted, i am not a huge fan of his. i know he helped the niners reach a SB and the nfc title games a few times, but i don't really see him as having carried that team. and if we are working off the assumption the niners stink this year, it would be 2 straight mediocre-to-bad seasons for kaep and we'd have to assume his contract.

also, from the niners perspective, they would take a $7.4MM dead cap hit if they cut or trade him before the 2016 season

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/colin-kaepernick/

 

[Superman55]

in 3 seasons as a starter the most interceptions he has thrown in a season is 10, with over 400 attempts the last two seasons. He isn't all the way there as a pocket passer but neither is Russell but he is just 27, stays healthy and has all the skills. If a 1st round pick is involved I'd would rather make a play on a top rookie QB, assuming they are still top QB's come next June. For a 2nd rounder and Mo, I would make that deal.

I respect your opinion...but I see him similar to Alex Smith, Dalton, and tannehill...the guys who wont lose you games, but wont win you games, and you're not too excited about having as your QB heading into the play-offs facing Luck, brady, Manning, or an elite QB of any kind.

Say what you will, but I feel any of the tier 2 QBs: Cam, Ryan, Flacco, Eli, Big Ben, Rivers, Romo; heck, even Bridgewater and Foles, would have led the 9ers with that defense, Gore, and Stevie johnson, Boldin, Crabtree, and vernon Davis into the play-offs last year...no way any of those Qbs turn out a 8-8 season with that stacked roster.

Its funny how Geno can get us 8-8 with one-fifth the talent Kapernick has, and we're up in arms. kapernick takes an all star roster and goes 8-8 and we want him...this is totally a grass is greener debate we wont agree on...

That's fine. Lets hope the Lakers take Okafor #2 .

 

[SackExchange]

The whole scenario makes no sense.

Basically, Kaepernick plays horribly this season, Niners are awful. Because of that, the Niners will move him, and his trade value after that disastrous season will be so high that the Jets will deal Wilkerson, a first (top 15 first), and a mid-round pick for him?

 

[Mugatu]

I think you need to consider that Kap plays QB in what is easily the toughest defensive division in football as well.
6 games against Seattle, St Louis and Arizona is a brutal divisional slate.

Would I trade Wilkerson for him? Yep.... But not throwing picks in as well.

He has the potential to be a bigger difference maker than Wilkerson. The drop off between Wilk and his replacement is likely to be far less than the improvement between Geno and Kap

I think this team is far far better if they were to do that trade.

 

[Superman55]

The whole scenario makes no sense.

Basically, Kaepernick plays horribly this season, Niners are awful. Because of that, the Niners will move him, and his trade value after that disastrous season will be so high that the Jets will deal Wilkerson, a first (top 15 first), and a mid-round pick for him?

exactly, each year he gets worse and worse...like RG3...so we need to trade Mo and a 1 (essentially 2 1s) and a 3rd for a QB getting worse and worse...makes no sense...

 

[SackExchange]

I have nothing against dealing for Kaepernick. I have a serious problem with a trade that would be one of the most one-sided in NFL history.

 

[NewMFS62]

Clayton has never written anything positive about the Jets.
So, amid all the positive stories from other writers since the end of last season, he's trying to stir the pot. Otherwise, the newspaper readers in the largest market in the world would dismiss him because he's a congenital little creep.
And those are his good points.
Later

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Maccagnan will not trade Wilkerson for Kaepernick. In addition to his regression as a QB over the last year, he's also very short with the media, and many feel he's an arrogant punk. He's a sore loser when the 49ers lose. That won't play well in NY.

 

[Lakerfan80]

I respect your opinion...but I see him similar to Alex Smith, Dalton, and tannehill...the guys who wont lose you games, but wont win you games, and you're not too excited about having as your QB heading into the play-offs facing Luck, brady, Manning, or an elite QB of any kind.

Say what you will, but I feel any of the tier 2 QBs: Cam, Ryan, Flacco, Eli, Big Ben, Rivers, Romo; heck, even Bridgewater and Foles, would have led the 9ers with that defense, Gore, and Stevie johnson, Boldin, Crabtree, and vernon Davis into the play-offs last year...no way any of those Qbs turn out a 8-8 season with that stacked roster.

Its funny how Geno can get us 8-8 with one-fifth the talent Kapernick has, and we're up in arms. kapernick takes an all star roster and goes 8-8 and we want him...this is totally a grass is greener debate we wont agree on...

That's fine. Lets hope the Lakers take Okafor #2 .

I think many of those same guy could have led the Seahawks with their defense...especially averaging around 25 passes a game like Wilson. Last year wasn't an all-start roster and had many issues, starting with coach/management disputes, that trickled down. I haven't been impressed with the offensive talent in SF, outside of Gore and Boldin.

Right now I think several teams would be interested in Kap.

I also hope it's Okafor. The only way to slow down small ball is with a big who can punish teams inside with offense.

 

[Superman55]

I think many of those same guy could have led the Seahawks with their defense...especially averaging around 25 passes a game like Wilson. Last year wasn't an all-start roster and had many issues, starting with coach/management disputes, that trickled down. I haven't been impressed with the offensive talent in SF, outside of Gore and Boldin.

Right now I think several teams would be interested in Kap.

I also hope it's Okafor. The only way to slow down small ball is with a big who can punish teams inside with offense.

Lets hope the bills get him with how well Ryan, Lee, and company develop young QBs...

 

[cysporsche]

It sounds like everyone has already skipped over Bryce Petty QB 6'3"/230 ? Here are my 3 top QB choices:
1) Geno Smith
2) Bryce Petty
3) Hackenberger

Go Jets...Cyborg

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

It sounds like everyone has already skipped over Bryce Petty QB 6'3"/230 ? Here are my 3 top QB choices:
1) Geno Smith
2) Bryce Petty
3) Hackenberger

Go Jets...Cyborg

Petty won't get a serious look until next season at the earliest. I think that's the best way to transition him. He's clearly very raw in terms of playing an NFL style of offense. Talent and a big arm only go so far.

And I'm not counting out Fitzpatrick. He's a very solid backup plan in case Geno poops the bed.

 

[NickSINYC]

Petty won't get a serious look until next season at the earliest. I think that's the best way to transition him. He's clearly very raw in terms of playing an NFL style of offense. Talent and a big arm only go so far.

And I'm not counting out Fitzpatrick. He's a very solid backup plan in case Geno poops the bed.

I agree Petty is raw with tons to learn. I would just like a look at him in training camp before I totally write off getting anything out of him in 2015. I do have faith in Fitz and would feel more comfortable with him in from the start.

 

[Superman55]

Petty won't get a serious look until next season at the earliest. I think that's the best way to transition him. He's clearly very raw in terms of playing an NFL style of offense. Talent and a big arm only go so far.

And I'm not counting out Fitzpatrick. He's a very solid backup plan in case Geno poops the bed.

I'd trade all 3 for Hackenberg. I'd trade all 3, mo, and our 1 for Hackenberg.

 

[HYATT™]

Clayton has never written anything positive about the Jets.
So, amid all the positive stories from other writers since the end of last season, he's trying to stir the pot. Otherwise, the newspaper readers in the largest market in the world would dismiss him because he's a congenital little creep.
And those are his good points.
Later

Mr. Peabody IS a little creepy.
HYATT™ can't imagine how that bespectacled twerp even gets football players to talk to him, let alone give him insider information.
Gotta be based on the cash rewards system.
He pays big cash, they slip him harmless little tidbits.

HYATT™ also thinks most of you way underestimate Kaepernick's potential as a pocket QB.
Harbaugh was a shitty QB in his playing days, why would anyone think he was a QB developer?
Oh, because he coached Andrew Luck at Stanford, right?
LMFAO
Fools !!!
Luck is Luck because his daddy was Oliver Luck, NOT because his college coach was Jim Harbaugh.

 

[sg3]

Mr. Peabody IS a little creepy.
I can't imagine how that bespectacled twerp even gets football players to talk to him, let alone give him insider information.
Gotta be based on the cash rewards system.
He pays big cash, they slip him harmless little tidbits.

Have to agree with the H-Man TM