Last years draft

[flgreen]

I think Amaro wil develop into a above average TE, but as far as Pryor goes he's a very limited in the box safety and he doesn't even excel at that. This is a guy that could be floating through FA wires in the next year or two.

At the time the Jets selected Pryor I would agree with you. He certainly didn't do a whole lot last season to change that view.

Right now I think his stock has gone way up. The centerpiece of Bowles D is what has been called the "Big Nickle." Pryor's skill set matches the demands of the position as if it was custom designed for him.

Not a big Pryor guy, but I think he is going to have a breakout season in Bowles D

 

[SackExchange]

I would not say what the troll did here is trolling. The problem is, there has been far too little of this, and far too much of his other antics.

 

[McJet]

You have to be joking? Unless "I LOVE BOTH PLAYERS" I'm clueless and Trolling? Sorry but there are many Jets fans that share my opinion of both Amaro and Pryor, are they trolling? If that's the case you shouldn't ever be allowed to use the term Clueless again unless the sentence starts with "I am".

Let's see what he does this year, playing his more natural position of SS with CB's that can actually cover WR for more than 2 seconds.

 

[Old#15]

Let's see what he does this year, playing his more natural position of SS with CB's that can actually cover WR for more than 2 seconds.

I agree and really think that he was set back by Ryan's misuse. I think a combination of a year in the pros to get his feet on the ground and playing in a position more suited to his skillset, we'll see a different player next season. As far as Easley goes, I have already heard from the Patriot sycophant media that Easley is primed to help take the pressure off their depleted secondary with his pass rushing skills. I about fell off the chair when I heard that.
BTW - I hope we keep Grogan around for some comic relief.

 

[NYJDraftKing]

The way he caught the ball in practice I thought it was 2 broken hands, but it was a shoulder injury.

lmfao !!!!

 

[NYJDraftKing]

OK , lets say we have keepers in Pryor, Amaro , Rielly, Dozier ... with the jury still out on IK, Evans and McDougle
Thats a pretty crappy percentage on 12 picks.

 

[sg3]

OK , lets say we have keepers in Pryor, Amaro , Rielly, Dozier ... with the jury still out on IK, Evans and McDougle
Thats a pretty crappy percentage on 12 picks.

Which is why the GM got fired for drafting them and the HC got fired for letting most of them rot while he started "my guys" instead

 

[Old#15]

I attribute three of the picks not mentioned (George, Boyd and CB whose name escapes me) to Ryan. Boyd was the annual 'Rex' pick who was horrible, and the other two were cut and grabbed off our practice squad. Both players contributed for their respective teams, granted one was the Bucs. I honestly think that Ryan and Idzik couldn't have been further apart on how they viewed building the team, and Ryan also demonstrated how bad he was at developing talent under both Tanny and Idzik. I hope Bowles and MM are in lock step, because we cannot afford another six years of piss-poor player development.

 

[Old#15]

Which is why the GM got fired for drafting them and the HC got fired for letting most of them rot while he started "my guys" instead

Woody did the right thing in firing both of them. They were a mismatch from the beginning.

 

[AFA2017]

I attribute three of the picks not mentioned (George, Boyd and CB whose name escapes me) to Ryan. Boyd was the annual 'Rex' pick who was horrible, and the other two were cut and grabbed off our practice squad. Both players contributed for their respective teams, granted one was the Bucs. I honestly think that Ryan and Idzik couldn't have been further apart on how they viewed building the team, and Ryan also demonstrated how bad he was at developing talent under both Tanny and Idzik. I hope Bowles and MM are in lock step, because we cannot afford another six years of piss-poor player development.

I could not agree with you more!

 

[grogan14]

At the time the Jets selected Pryor I would agree with you. He certainly didn't do a whole lot last season to change that view.

Right now I think his stock has gone way up. The centerpiece of Bowles D is what has been called the "Big Nickle." Pryor's skill set matches the demands of the position as if it was custom designed for him.

Not a big Pryor guy, but I think he is going to have a breakout season in Bowles D

It's certainly possible he will fit and jell in a new system. Just going off first impressions from year one he didn't really excel at an in the box role, but we'll see.

 

[Football51]

It's certainly possible he will fit and jell in a new system. Just going off first impressions from year one he didn't really excel at an in the box role, but we'll see.

Actually, Ryan hardly used him in the box. Ryan used his favorite Dwan Landry in the box and had Pryor lining up 20 yards off the LOS. It was a tough transition for Pryor who hadn't played much free safety since his freshman year. In the preseason, Ryan actually used Pryor properly, and he was the top rated safety according to espn's scout's inc. Once the regular season began, Ryan wanted "his guy" on the field and played Pryor out of position. Pryor should've been the SS with Allen lined up at FS. Landry should've been brought off the bench for three safety looks. I think he'll be able to improve on his coverage responsibilities in time, but it was just too much for him last year. He's got a point guard background in basketball and played baseball as well. He's a terrific athlete.

 

[Superman55]

At the time the Jets selected Pryor I would agree with you. He certainly didn't do a whole lot last season to change that view.

Right now I think his stock has gone way up. The centerpiece of Bowles D is what has been called the "Big Nickle." Pryor's skill set matches the demands of the position as if it was custom designed for him.

Not a big Pryor guy, but I think he is going to have a breakout season in Bowles D

I get worried when a guys stock increases when he's not playing and decreases when he's actually in the field.

He's a safety that gets beat deep. Simple. The only thing a safety isn't supposed to let happen seemed to be the only thing he was good at last year. This year, we've decidedto take this 1 trick pony and put him back in the box. Even if he's successful, that doesn't make him a good pick (1 trick pony safeties shouldn't go rd 1) but it will prove better value for his roster spot.

I haven't understood all the positive press on Pryor from Kiper, McShay, and other when last we saw him he was a special teams players benched for Jarrett...

Can he still become something? Absolutely. He could be Pollard. But one thing we know for sure, he isn't Berry, Thomas, Troy P, or Sean Taylor. I just don't see any coverage instincts in the kid...like when you watch Kyle Wikson play. Just no playing the ball instincts...but he isn't afraid the hit, so a box safety replacing Landry is what the kid will likely become...which had value too...just not 18 overall value.

 

[Superman55]

Actually, Ryan hardly used him in the box. Ryan used his favorite Dwan Landry in the box and had Pryor lining up 20 yards off the LOS. It was a tough transition for Pryor who hadn't played much free safety since his freshman year. In the preseason, Ryan actually used Pryor properly, and he was the top rated safety according to espn's scout's inc. Once the regular season began, Ryan wanted "his guy" on the field and played Pryor out of position. Pryor should've been the SS with Allen lined up at FS. Landry should've been brought off the bench for three safety looks. I think he'll be able to improve on his coverage responsibilities in time, but it was just too much for him last year. He's got a point guard background in basketball and played baseball as well. He's a terrific athlete.

Agreed. He wasn't used in the box much. Ryan used him like a first Rd pick safety that can cover and hit. He discovered that's not the player he was given and replaced him with a guy who could do both, Jarrett. I don't expect Bowles, now that this limitation is on tape for all to see, will make the same mistake. He'll likely be used like a LB in our nickel and dime packages and a standard SS in our base packages.

 

[hobson54]

I get worried when a guys stock increases when he's not playing and decreases when he's actually in the field.

He's a safety that gets beat deep. Simple. The only thing a safety isn't supposed to let happen seemed to be the only thing he was good at last year. This year, we've decidedto take this 1 trick pony and put him back in the box. Even if he's successful, that doesn't make him a good pick (1 trick pony safeties shouldn't go rd 1) but it will prove better value for his roster spot.

I haven't understood all the positive press on Pryor from Kiper, McShay, and other when last we saw him he was a special teams players benched for Jarrett...

Can he still become something? Absolutely. He could be Pollard. But one thing we know for sure, he isn't Berry, Thomas, Troy P, or Sean Taylor. I just don't see any coverage instincts in the kid...like when you watch Kyle Wikson play. Just no playing the ball instincts...but he isn't afraid the hit, so a box safety replacing Landry is what the kid will likely become...which had value too...just not 18 overall value.

so you are saying your initial analysis on the pryor pick was completely wrong. wasn't he your 1B player (after beckham) last year?

 

[Superman55]

Woody did the right thing in firing both of them. They were a mismatch from the beginning.

Agreed and Mac was a smart man to not interview here until he could get his HC. One man who called this issue from day 1 was Nick. He called out on the other board during the interview process a new GM should have say on his coach, not be saddled with Ryan or it will be a disaster. Man, was he right.

 

[Football51]

Agreed. He wasn't used in the box much. Ryan used him like a first Rd pick safety that can cover and hit. He discovered that's not the player he was given and replaced him with a guy who could do both, Jarrett. I don't expect Bowles, now that this limitation is on tape for all to see, will make the same mistake. He'll likely be used like a LB in our nickel and dime packages and a standard SS in our base packages.

I did find some games of his early in his college career, and he looked good at FS. I think he will develop to the point where he can contribute in coverage. With the new CBA rules cutting down on practices/practice time, reps are at a premium. Pryor spent the offseason playing his natural position, but come september, was thrust into a position he wasn't prepared for. That doesn't mean he won't ever be capable of doing it. Ryan could've played zone with his cb's from the start(which ended up working when he made the switch), and put Pryor/Allen out there at safety. Instead, he was too stubborn to deviate from his coverage scheme, played both Pryor/Allen out of position, and consequently stunted the growth of those two players just to play his beloved Dwan Landry.

 

[Superman55]

so you are saying your initial analysis on the pryor pick was completely wrong. wasn't he your 1B player (after beckham) last year?

Denmard was 1a and Cook was my 1b. I thought we'd have to trade up for Beckham, but I thought the Steeles or Ravens would land him. I didn't think he'd go to the Giants.

Pryor I did think would be Cam Chancellor in our D. I Did say that. I think HYATT has made positive statement in that direction saying wait till next year (sorry if I misspoke HYATT). I hope he does become that player. I don't wish bad on any players on our roster, but I will always be mad we took McDougle over Moncreif, even if he turns into Ray Mickens as I hope (he was always one of my favorite players, Mickens).

Pryor wasn't my 1 safety last year, Deonne Buchannon was. I adore that kid. Cy and I argued last year who was better, Ha Ha or Buchannon. Buchannon had more INTs than Ha Ha and Pryor combined in college playing in the Pac-12.

Pryor is supposed to be the muscle of the secondary, I don't consider calling him the next Bernard Pollard an insult, it just may not be the can chancellor we were going for.

 

[NickSINYC]

OK , lets say we have keepers in Pryor, Amaro , Rielly, Dozier ... with the jury still out on IK, Evans and McDougle
Thats a pretty crappy percentage on 12 picks.

I am happy Idzik is gone. I love what I see from Macc so far. I definitely don't want to open up another Idzik debate but to be fair going under you premise if all of your listed names make it considering 5 of the 12 picks were 6th round or later that is not as awful a job as make it sound. My only point on Idzik has been drafts need time to be fairly evaluated..

 

[Superman55]

I did find some games of his early in his college career, and he looked good at FS. I think he will develop to the point where he can contribute in coverage. With the new CBA rules cutting down on practices/practice time, reps are at a premium. Pryor spent the offseason playing his natural position, but come september, was thrust into a position he wasn't prepared for. That doesn't mean he won't ever be capable of doing it. Ryan could've played zone with his cb's from the start(which ended up working when he made the switch), and put Pryor/Allen out there at safety. Instead, he was too stubborn to deviate from his coverage scheme, played both Pryor/Allen out of position, and consequently stunted the growth of those two players just to play his beloved Dwan Landry.

That's what gave me hope last year. Pryor played FS as a fresh and sophomore and as a freshman had a monster bowl game that included an INT. Maybe you're right and he turns out awesome. In all HYATTs posts, he makes a good case for safeties needing 3 years to develop. Maybe he's right and you and Hobson can remind me of it every year he makes the pro bowl how wrong I was about him. I just saw him take so many bad angles and over run plays last year to see the foundation under the mistakes for him to build upon. I hope you're both right though.