Last years draft

[Superman55]

I am happy Idzik is gone. I love what I see from Macc so far. I definitely don't want to open up another Idzik debate but to be fair going under you premise if all of your listed names make it considering 5 of the 12 picks were 6th round or later that is not as awful a job as make it sound. My only point on Idzik has been drafts need time to be fairly evaluated..

We are going to find out quickly. There are 7 names on that previous post, I bet only 4 make the team. What do you think on that over, under, or you'll take the push?

 

[Football51]

That's what gave me hope last year. Pryor played FS as a fresh and sophomore and as a freshman had a monster bowl game that included an INT. Maybe you're right and he turns out awesome. In all HYATTs posts, he makes a good case for safeties needing 3 years to develop. Maybe he's right and you and Hobson can remind me of it every year he makes the pro bowl how wrong I was about him. I just saw him take so many bad angles and over run plays last year to see the foundation under the mistakes for him to build upon. I hope you're both right though.

I saw the same mistakes you did. I'm just hoping that with time and better coaching, those mistakes can be corrected. Some players can come into the league and shine(Richardson) right away. Pryor(hampered by playing out of position) wasn't one of them. I also believe the lack of practice hurts some players but not others. I totally understand the desire to eliminate unnecessary trauma to a player's head, but starting offseason workouts(lifting), film/classroom work, contact with coaches, etc really hurts most young players entering the league. Add on to that Ryan's desire to be buddies with everyone and not hold them accountable, leads to a lack of development.

 

[soj]

At the time the Jets selected Pryor I would agree with you. He certainly didn't do a whole lot last season to change that view.

Right now I think his stock has gone way up. The centerpiece of Bowles D is what has been called the "Big Nickle." Pryor's skill set matches the demands of the position as if it was custom designed for him.

Not a big Pryor guy, but I think he is going to have a breakout season in Bowles D

Frankly, I thought AA was a better all around safety then Prior and shown it; that is, before our x-blowhard HC put him in as a CB and screwed up his head and confidence. I am hoping he can come back strong this year and play well again.

 

[soj]

I get worried when a guys stock increases when he's not playing and decreases when he's actually in the field.

He's a safety that gets beat deep. Simple. The only thing a safety isn't supposed to let happen seemed to be the only thing he was good at last year. This year, we've decidedto take this 1 trick pony and put him back in the box. Even if he's successful, that doesn't make him a good pick (1 trick pony safeties shouldn't go rd 1) but it will prove better value for his roster spot.

I haven't understood all the positive press on Pryor from Kiper, McShay, and other when last we saw him he was a special teams players benched for Jarrett...

Can he still become something? Absolutely. He could be Pollard. But one thing we know for sure, he isn't Berry, Thomas, Troy P, or Sean Taylor. I just don't see any coverage instincts in the kid...like when you watch Kyle Wikson play. Just no playing the ball instincts...but he isn't afraid the hit, so a box safety replacing Landry is what the kid will likely become...which had value too...just not 18 overall value.

55 I agree and seem to recall the pre draft scouting reports saying he was an in box safety that needed to stay close to the LOS - 5-6 yards. They said his weakness was coverage...and as you pointed out above I think misused and its not his Forte.

 

[cysporsche]

Denmard was 1a and Cook was my 1b. I thought we'd have to trade up for Beckham, but I thought the Steeles or Ravens would land him. I didn't think he'd go to the Giants.

Pryor I did think would be Cam Chancellor in our D. I Did say that. I think HYATT has made positive statement in that direction saying wait till next year (sorry if I misspoke HYATT). I hope he does become that player. I don't wish bad on any players on our roster, but I will always be mad we took McDougle over Moncreif, even if he turns into Ray Mickens as I hope (he was always one of my favorite players, Mickens).

Pryor wasn't my 1 safety last year, Deonne Buchannon was. I adore that kid. Cy and I argued last year who was better, Ha Ha or Buchannon. Buchannon had more INTs than Ha Ha and Pryor combined in college playing in the Pac-12.

Pryor is supposed to be the muscle of the secondary, I don't consider calling him the next Bernard Pollard an insult, it just may not be the can chancellor we were going for.

Kevin, Funny you brought this back up. You did like Buchanon; however, what upset me besides the Giants snagging Beckham Jr. in front of us, is that IMO Pryor was not even the best safety in last years draft, it was HaHa Clinton-Dix from Alabama. Then I knew Idzik would trade back up and get Lee, and then Moncrief in the 3rd. When we picked McDougle I was pissed. I do like Idzik, think he got set up for failure by Woody, but......

Go Jets...Cyborg

 

[NickSINYC]

We are going to find out quickly. There are 7 names on that previous post, I bet only 4 make the team. What do you think on that over, under, or you'll take the push?

Getting sucked into the nonsense again and I hate myself for it. I will tell you what I honestly think. There were 12 picks and whether they make it with the Jets or another team I want to see what all 12 picks look like in total after this season has played out completely before I write off the draft. The only totally wasted pic was Boyd which is on Rex.This will be my last comment on the subject because any dialogue on this subject will get us nowhere.

 

[hobson54]

Denmard was 1a and Cook was my 1b. I thought we'd have to trade up for Beckham, but I thought the Steeles or Ravens would land him. I didn't think he'd go to the Giants.

Pryor I did think would be Cam Chancellor in our D. I Did say that. I think HYATT has made positive statement in that direction saying wait till next year (sorry if I misspoke HYATT). I hope he does become that player. I don't wish bad on any players on our roster, but I will always be mad we took McDougle over Moncreif, even if he turns into Ray Mickens as I hope (he was always one of my favorite players, Mickens).

Pryor wasn't my 1 safety last year, Deonne Buchannon was. I adore that kid. Cy and I argued last year who was better, Ha Ha or Buchannon. Buchannon had more INTs than Ha Ha and Pryor combined in college playing in the Pac-12.

Pryor is supposed to be the muscle of the secondary, I don't consider calling him the next Bernard Pollard an insult, it just may not be the can chancellor we were going for.

actually you compared him to tj ward and earl thomas (though you may have meant chancelor in your post) and he was your 1b

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=65&f=1875&t=12868195&p=9

in any event, let's hope you (and HYATT) are right on him