Macc On Petty's progress

[isired]

Do you really think smith is worth 7 spots in the first round?

Jets will be thrilled with a 5th or 6th for him

Your forgetting about the bag of rocks... Nah, it was just half joke / half wishful thinking. I do think you all underestimate the pitiful state of backup QBs, but Smith won't max out on value until the season is about to start and someone goes down or a team cuts bait with their plans at #2.

 

[jetgreen13]

Geno and #20 to move up to #13 (Eagles) or 14 (Raiders) to grab Lynch??

Geno and #20 PLUS a bag of rocks?

LOLz bag of rocks..

 

[flgreen]

Your forgetting about the bag of rocks... Nah, it was just half joke / half wishful thinking. I do think you all underestimate the pitiful state of backup QBs, but Smith won't max out on value until the season is about to start and someone goes down or a team cuts bait with their plans at #2.

Ah jeez, your right I forgot about the bag of rocks. It does increase the value of the trade over smith, but I still don't think it will get the deal done.

Your probably right about smith's value being higher in the summer if another teams QB gets hurt, but there are some other issues with that.

1) If something is offered for him It will be for next years draft. Macc only has 6 picks this year. I'm positive he'll want more.

2) A future draft pick is generally considered to be a round weaker then a current pick. As in, offering a 1st round pick in next year's draft is the same value as offering a 1st round pick this year.

3) IMO Mac and Bowles are both big on stability. I think that one of the reasons Macc came right out and said Fitz will be the starter next year, is because he wants to stabilize his QB situation right now. doesn't want the media stirring a QB buzz.

4) i want the A H gone. Now! LOL

In all honesty, I think that once Fitz is signed Macc is going to tell Mr Z to find his client another place that he wants to go to, or he won't have a choice where he goes, but he's going.

 

[LGM]

Pretty funny really

In some of Walter Football's previous laughing stock team analyses of the Jets he developed his agenda that Petty is years away from even being a mediocre backup

So now he uses the report that Maccagnan is doing normal expected due diligence with QBs in all star games as proof and support for his agenda

My bet is the Pats and Packers and Raiders, Titans and Panthers all have their personnel staff at these practices and all interview QBs so they too are in desperate QB shape like the Jets

 

[jetgreen13]

Pretty funny really

In some of Walter Football's previous laughing stock team analyses of the Jets he developed his agenda that Petty is years away from even being a mediocre backup

So now he uses the report that Maccagnan is doing normal expected due diligence with QBs in all star games as proof and support for his agenda

My bet is the Pats and Packers and Raiders, Titans and Panthers all have their personnel staff at these practices and all interview QBs so they too are in desperate QB shape like the Jets

thanks for pointing out this guy's agenda LGM.. it sounded very presumptuous when i read it & now i understand why..

 

[Old#15]

We have to remember that a lot of what comes out of GM's mouths now and that includes some actions like meeting all of the QBs, may be a smokescreen or part of a larger scheme. Yes, we absolutely need a bonafide franchise QB, but is it possible that what he really is doing is laying the groundwork is to draft an impact edge guy like Spence? To the extent that he can possibly steer another team into prematurely selecting a QB in front of us may help MM with his ultimate desire at #20. I know I may be wearing my aluminum foil hat with that comment, but I don't see any QB available at #20, worth taking at #20.

 

[mykcuz]

We have to remember that a lot of what comes out of GM's mouths now and that includes some actions like meeting all of the QBs, may be a smokescreen or part of a larger scheme. Yes, we absolutely need a bonafide franchise QB, but is it possible that what he really is doing is laying the groundwork is to draft an impact edge guy like Spence? To the extent that he can possibly steer another team into prematurely selecting a QB in front of us may help MM with his ultimate desire at #20. I know I may be wearing my aluminum foil hat with that comment, but I don't see any QB available at #20, worth taking at #20.

You're spot on, it also sets us up for a trade. Say a qb slides to 16 or 17, in a qb needy league, we would be in good position to trade back. Everything from now until the draft ends, is a poker game.

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[flgreen]

thanks for pointing out this guy's agenda LGM.. it sounded very presumptuous when i read it & now i understand why..

Actually LGM may be on to something here. Walter football is a good draft site, but the guy does seem to have an anti Jet agenda. Never saw a Jets draft he didn't hate.

I read in another tweet that Macc has the whole scouting staff there and they are going to interview every one that is on their big Board, so there's that.

I don't think it has any thing to do with a smoke screen, not enough time to waste time on guys they have no intention, under any circumstances to draft. Drafts can fall very oddly. You never know who's going to fall, or get taken early.

Don't think interviews ever put a guy on a teams radar, but they can get a player off a teams list. It's said that's one of the reasons smith fell to the 2nd

 

[jetgreen13]

Actually LGM may be on to something here. Walter football is a good draft site, but the guy does seem to have an anti Jet agenda. Never saw a Jets draft he didn't hate.

I read in another tweet that Macc has the whole scouting staff there and they are going to interview every one that is on their big Board, so there's that.

I don't think it has any thing to do with a smoke screen, not enough time to waste time on guys they have no intention, under any circumstances to draft. Drafts can fall very oddly. You never know who's going to fall, or get taken early.

Don't think interviews ever put a guy on a teams radar, but they can get a player off a teams list. It's said that's one of the reasons smith fell to the 2nd

mac flat out gets it..

 

[mykcuz]

Actually LGM may be on to something here. Walter football is a good draft site, but the guy does seem to have an anti Jet agenda. Never saw a Jets draft he didn't hate.

I read in another tweet that Macc has the whole scouting staff there and they are going to interview every one that is on their big Board, so there's that.

I don't think it has any thing to do with a smoke screen, not enough time to waste time on guys they have no intention, under any circumstances to draft. Drafts can fall very oddly. You never know who's going to fall, or get taken early.

Don't think interviews ever put a guy on a teams radar, but they can get a player off a teams list. It's said that's one of the reasons smith fell to the 2nd

I don't think groundwork is a smokescreen, I think speaking is. If you interview everyone, then publicly state that you love petty and his progress, no one thinks you're a threat to nab a qb. But if you say you can never have too many good qbs, someone who wants Wentz might be scared you'd take him.

And I have read plenty of post draft stories about teams surprisingly picking a guy they never worked out. So sometimes it is a smokescreen, remember this is a billion dollar sport, abs the draft is your life line.

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[Mainejet]

I agree.

I think all of Macc's post season statements on smith indicate that Macc would LIKE to get rid of him.

I'll feel a lot better about it when the door hits smith in the ass

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[JoeyStylez]

On Geno - I think the Jets will be better off with someone who is pleased to be in the NFL, please to be a Jet, pleased to be a #2 or #3 QB and ready to devote himself to learning and contributing in that role.[/B]?

If the Jets should ever come across a player who is pleased to be a #2 or #3 QB, they need to ship his ass out immediately. No NFL player worth his salt would EVER be "pleased" with being a back-up. Even garbage QB's WANT to start. Every QB does. There's a difference between accepting a role and being a professional about it, and not having the drive to be a starter. Bowles may not want Geno to start, but he certainly doesn't want a guy who is "pleased" with not starting.

As for the idea that Geno's team mates want him gone, that's just wishful thinking on your part. There has been no reports or any kind of evidence of that being the case. What you want doesn't matter, what matters is what the Jets coaches want. If they truly don't want Geno here, then they'll let him go, but not because you guys don't like him.

BTW something you Geno-haters don't seem to realize but I'm sure the coaches do...what if Geno and Petty fight for the #2 spot AND GENO WINS THAT FIGHT? What if Geno outplays Petty? I highly doubt the Jets would want to get rid of a cheap experienced young QB, especially since they have no idea what Petty can do (mind you, I like Petty and his upside). The Jets are going to do what's best for them, and I believe that what's best for them is a competition between Geno and Petty for that #2 spot. If Geno loses out, he's the #3 guy and can either accept it and wait for FA or ask for a trade. BTW I laugh at you guys for bashing Geno because he said he wants to start. Only Jet fans can bash a guy for having the drive and desire to start. Reminds me of the days when you ragged on Curtis Martin for wanting to play hurt and at the same time ragging on John Abraham because he was missing games due to injury.

 

[mykcuz]

If the Jets should ever come across a player who is pleased to be a #2 or #3 QB, they need to ship his ass out immediately. No NFL player worth his salt would EVER be "pleased" with being a back-up. Even garbage QB's WANT to start. Every QB does. There's a difference between accepting a role and being a professional about it, and not having the drive to be a starter. Bowles may not want Geno to start, but he certainly doesn't want a guy who is "pleased" with not starting.

As for the idea that Geno's team mates want him gone, that's just wishful thinking on your part. There has been no reports or any kind of evidence of that being the case. What you want doesn't matter, what matters is what the Jets coaches want. If they truly don't want Geno here, then they'll let him go, but not because you guys don't like him.

BTW something you Geno-haters don't seem to realize but I'm sure the coaches do...what if Geno and Petty fight for the #2 spot AND GENO WINS THAT FIGHT? What if Geno outplays Petty? I highly doubt the Jets would want to get rid of a cheap experienced young QB, especially since they have no idea what Petty can do (mind you, I like Petty and his upside). The Jets are going to do what's best for them, and I believe that what's best for them is a competition between Geno and Petty for that #2 spot. If Geno loses out, he's the #3 guy and can either accept it and wait for FA or ask for a trade. BTW I laugh at you guys for bashing Geno because he said he wants to start. Only Jet fans can bash a guy for having the drive and desire to start. Reminds me of the days when you ragged on Curtis Martin for wanting to play hurt and at the same time ragging on John Abraham because he was missing games due to injury.

You have your opinion, I have mine, neither affects mac.

I would say from rumblings I've heard since this new management team arrived, is that they are reluctant with geno. Even in the pre season town hall, the Jets featured Fitz firing up his team prominently in their video to start the event.

If they aren't confident he's their future, trading him now may get a pick in a draft where we only have 6. Releasing him next year would be a waste of an opportunity to get something for him.

We will see soon enough what the team does.

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[flgreen]

Today is is the anniversary of one of the main reasons Bryce Petty was still available in the 4th round.

People forget that at the end of the 2013 NCAA season the big conversation was, who was going to be the first pick in the 2015 NFL draft.
Jameis Winston, Bryce Petty, or Marcus Mariota. Petty had a sensational 2013 season. 4200 yards, 32 TD's and 3 interceptions, for a 184.5 rate. Plus he had 14 rushing TD's. Baylor won it's first big 12 Championship. Not to shabby.

Petty looked like a lock 1st round pick, if not the first pick in the draft.

2014 wasn't so kind to Petty. In the opening game, a 45-0 thumping of SMU Petty injured his back. An MRI showed he had 2 cracks in the Tranverse Process of his Spine. It wasn't a long term debilitating injury, but it lingered all season, and caused a lot of pain in his throwing motion. Petty later described it as "Every time I went to throw, it would jolt. It was like somebody was punching me in the side." He missed one game, and played all year with it.

Petty still had a good season, 3855 yards, 29 TD's and 7 interceptions for a 157.8 rate. Good numbers, but he just didn't make the step up every one was expecting. When you watched him play, at certain points in the game it was just clear he was in pain, and not the same player he was in 2013.

When Senior Bowl week came, most people had him as a late 1st, or 2nd round pick. Petty had never played in a Pro style offense, or taken a snap from under center.

During the week he was very awkward. Over thinking what his responsibilities were, he was getting very mixed reviews from scouts. They were complimenting his big arm, and super fast quick release, but ripping him on his ability to play in a pro system in the near future. On game day he put up pedestrian numbers, and just didn't look natural out there.

The general consensus was he had a big arm, Could be a starter in the NFL, but needed a lot of time on the bench. He fell to the 4th round. Rough Senior Bowl for Bryce. He came into the season as perhaps a top 5 pick, came out of the Senior Bowl as a 4th round pick.

In the first preseason game against the Lions, he looked like what he was. A QB who was playing under center for the first time. He didn't embarrass himself, but he looked tentative, and unsure. Second game against the Falcons, he looked like a new guy. Got most of the reps in the game Seemed very confident. Very little signs that he was very new to the Pro Set. Showed off his big arm, and quick release. Nice accuracy. A LOT of hope for the future. He looked like an NFL QB. Can't wait to see where he has progressed to this summer. No he is not going to beat Fitz out for starter. There will be no QB competition this summer. It will be real nice if Petty can show that he can play in the league if Fitz goes down. I feel very confident he will. (I hope

If it wasn't for a bad Senior Bowl week, Petty would have been long gone before the 4th. Perhaps things broke right for the Jets for once and they got an early 1st round talent in the 4th.

 

[jetgreen13]

[MENTION=9]flgreen[/MENTION] if it doesn't work out for petty with the jets it won't be because his situation isn't ideal..

i'm excited to find out what the kid has learned from year one going into year two OTA's/training camp..

we'll see.....

 

[Mainejet]

I think this is more looking for smith's replacement then Petty's.

Non of the QB's at either the Shrine game, or Senior Bowl, with the possible exception of Wentz, are locks to be 1st round picks.

If the Jets take Wentz at 20 Petty is in some trouble moving forward, otherwise I don't see the plans changing much.

Right now Wentz is the talk of the Senior Bowl from all the articles, and tweets I've read the last few days. Some are really impressed with him, some not so much n his accuracy issues.

Yeah, I saw this as well. I don't necessarily see the Jets taking a QB at 20, but I do definitely see them taking one somewhere in the draft. I hope it's a 1st round investment, I don't want to see the Jets completely WASTE a draft choice like they did with that 6th rounder in Taj Boyd. I want a real live prospect that any normal thinking would think has an opportunity to up end Bryce Petty and Ryan Fitzpatrick for that matter.

 

[Bronx]

Don't read too much into his being #2 for the first two games (Geno was active vs. Philly IIRC). While it's certainly not a bad thing, it's definitely encouraging, but it had as much to do with Flynn and Johnson's performance and the rules regarding guaranteeing the annual salary for players on the week 1 active roster as anything. If Fitz went down week 1 or later and Geno was still inactive, we likely would have signed Flynn or another vet.

Exactly , it was nothing more than a calculated risk . He went straight to 3rd string/ inactive once Geno was healthy


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[Bronx]

Beat reporter Darryl Slater says Petty would only be elevated to the No. 2 role if the Jets draft a quarterback/move on from Smith. Petty reportedly made strides as a rookie, but hasn't done anything to suggest he’s a quality backup. Smith should play out his final year behind Ryan Fitzpatrick.


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[jetgreen13]

Beat reporter Darryl Slater says Petty would only be elevated to the No. 2 role if the Jets draft a quarterback/move on from Smith. Petty reportedly made strides as a rookie, but hasn't done anything to suggest he’s a quality backup. Smith should play out his final year behind Ryan Fitzpatrick.


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well, apparently slater's source isn't mac.........

 

[LGM]

well, apparently slater's source isn't mac.........

Cmon green

I'm dead sure that Mikey Mac is having private meetings with beat reporters and divulging his real feelings on personnel. All 32 GMs do that every day of course

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