Yes, here it is. Clear as day, I say I have no problem bashing Geno for that altercation with a 71-year-old coach. I guess you missed it the first time.
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Yes, here it is. Clear as day, I say I have no problem bashing Geno for that altercation with a 71-year-old coach. I guess you missed it the first time.
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We don't necessarily disagree on your base point. Yes, IK certainly had a great deal of fault here. Guy apparently has a very bad temper.
Thing is, IK is no longer a Jet. Looks like it's possible he might be a starting LB'er on the Bills this season. He is now officially the enemy. This isn't about IK, it's about his sparing partner, who is still on the Jets, and came close to being the Jets starting QB. DE's, LB'ers OL, they can all get away with being rough necks, or thugs, nobody really cares, as long as they produce on the field. IMO, Gastineau fell in that catagory. Perhaps Richardson. Can hold my nose and root for them, because they produce.
With a QB it's a lot different. They are the face of the franchise, in most cases the leader of the team. When they command zero respect from the team, and have a history of lack of leadership, selfishness, and a tinge of thug, as smith did at WV. Add on top of that the fact that he has played very badly in the NFL, and team mates have gone out of their way to NOT support him, as they did in Buffalo last year, and again with the mini hold outs at OTA's, it's time to cut bait with the guy. Which I think Bowles would love to do, but circumstances won't allow it at this point.
Personally I'll be much happier being a Jets fan after he is gone. That probably won't be until next season unless Petty picks it up big time.
As far as throwing around the term "haters" to people who disagree with a stance is silly. I don't hate smith, I just hate the fact that he is a NY Jet, and wish that fact would change. If like IK he was on another team, I wouldn't care one way or another about him
the sooner smith is off of the team, the better, IMO..
your empathy for the guy is your business.. just like my lack of empathy for him is mine..
"black or white" notwithstanding.....
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No one in this thread is condoning IK's actions. No one. IK was cut and I think that is the appropriate response given he seriousness of his actions.
However, it is a complete travesty that Geno was not cut the same day also. The only reason he was not cut (I believe) is because of salary cap concerns. He was an equal partner in the incident.
I don't necessarily have empathy for him, other than the basic human empathy of not celebrating a guy getting his jaw broken.
Personally, I'd prefer he be off the Jets, too.
My ideal? He has a great camp, and it allows the Jets to deal him. The better he plays, the better for the Jets.
I don't think there were that serious cap concerns. I'd argue the reasons he was not cut were:
1. He went into camp the starting QB, and was up until fist met jaw, and
2. The new regime was still seeing what they had in him.
If it had happened this August, he would have been cut, I think, especially on the final year of his deal. You may be right about the cap, but I think it's more about contract length.
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That and the fact that he was all they had.
At the time Fitz was still recovering from a broken leg. They weren't sure he was going to be able to start week one, until the week before opening day
Yeah, I'm hiding from you. Damn, you're on to me!
The arrogance around here sometimes is astounding.
nope, not from me.. you asked flgreen to post something backing up his claim smith knocked over an elderly coach.. he did..
did you "love" reading it as much as you thought you would??
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There's an agenda behind it. That's what makes me laugh. You'll go to the ends of the earth to bash this guy and cite whatever example you can to prove you're right.
So while other players are murdering people, beating women, and committing other horrible crimes across the league, you cite this sketchy example of "elder abuse/assault" which seems very specious in nature.
Weak sauce.
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flgreen
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LOL
First off none of the players who you are trying to compare smith to in order to show that by using murder as the bench mark, makes smith's unprovoked attack on Wally Burnham seem like he is a nice guy, are on the Jets.
They are either in prison, or out of the league Where smith should be for his assault and battery on an elderly man. Which by the way, battery on the elderly is a felony. In most states it carries 5-10 years, so yes it is at least in the same conversation.
The "weak sauce" you refer to is The Des Moines Register, which is a fairly prestigious mid western news paper.
Clearly you have some kind of a sweet spot for geno, that you are willing to over look the 9-10 punk incidents he has been involved in . Including both his team mates at West Virginia , and on the Jets, not considering him to be a leader.
I have already posted the article about smith's team mates at WV being glad he was gone in another thread. I'd post it again except I'm sure the voices in your head that are telling you all negative stories about smith are specious, would over rule it.
You seem to be under the impression that people have just decided to dislike smith for no reason, and discount the horrible play, and the multiple JO actions he has done, while at West Virginia, on the pre-draft interview circuit , and as a NY Jet.
That's cool, just no more PM's please. Stay with the Strong sauce
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you ask flgreen to back up his claim that smith assaulted an elderly man.. he does but because it makes smith look like a creep it's "sketchy??"
then you have the balls to talk about agendas??
wow.....
I never said all the stories were specious about Geno Smith. If you're going to debate me about it, fine, but don't misquote me.
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flgreen
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Not going to debate you. The debate is done. I'm done with you
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Mainejet
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However, since then the only thing keeping him on the roster is their indecision in regards to 2nd string QB.
hopefully petty builds off of a couple of recent solid practices tonight..
safe bet, smith has no shot at being on this season's roster, if petty has a strong preseason..
I think in this case, it is more patience than indecision. When you are dealing with younger players, you want to have the most information you can before you have to make a decision. You want to see as much as possible.
Knowing Jets fans, I can only imagine that many of the same fans who would have called for Geno to be cut would have bashed the front office if he got cut, caught on with another team, and became a good QB.
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From what i saw of the QB's last night think they are going with 4 unless something changes in the next month.
Fitz was solid. Moved the ball on both drives, Clady took a down off, the sack followed, and cost them points.
Smith came out very bad first 2 drives, and had the Boo birds out early. Saved his night with a beautiful TD throw.
Petty looked like he belonged. Made a few beautiful throws, but IMO, looked like he was over thinking a bit to much, and very hesident not to make a turn over. Still a work in progress, but a solid night.
Think smith hangs around unless Petty shows he can step up with confidence. What Petty's performance did achieve was it is going to be very difficult to get him through waivers.
At this point tend to agree with Mainejet, and Sack to a point. They would like to move smith, but are a bit indecisive, at this point at least, and need to see more before they make a decision that could affect the out come of the season.
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