Mehta: Geno, Not Mariota, is The Jets Better QB Option

[Superman55]

I mentioned this in another thread. I am leaning towards this way of thinking more and more. My perfect scenario in this moment, Mariotta is there at 6 we trade down, gain picks, and still draft Kevin White. Am I asking for too much?

Likely. White might not even make it to us at 6 any more. I do think the raiders will strongly think about giving Carr White to work with over cooper. That size, speed, and agility screamsRaiders. If we trade back, I think it even reduces the chances of getting white more. I don't think he makes it past 10 anymore.

 

[Superman55]

So what if Geno sat for the two training camps and seasons to learn the pro game. Instead, he was thrust into the starting line up week one and went 8-8 with some horrible games but also with some good ones. Last year there was some really bad games, BAD. He also had a few promising moments and an actual complete game against Miami.
Who knows what Gailey can do with Smith, nobody knows what Mariota will become. If the Jets draft Mariota and Geno actually excels with Gailey then at least they could turn Mariota or Smith into a future pick. Probably wouldn't be a top ten though.
we'll see.
I know we all want the same thing, a winning QB that'll put the Jets into the play offs season after season. Just like we have been watching the Patriots do for over a decade.

It's my opinion, not gospel, but I think sitting the QB gives them less bad games their first year starting.

Not exaggerating, but a rookie QB needs to learn -

NFL footwork
Playbook terminology
The playbook
Progression through reads
Offensive line blocking schemes
Defensive alignments and how they map to our offensive line blocking schemes
Defensive coverages
When WRs will have inside vs outside released based on the coverage
Hot reads
Looking off safeties
How to match the gameplan to defensive alignments
The level of preparation required in a week-to-week basis to be successful in the NFL


The expectations for a rookie QB to learn all the Above between May 1 and September 9th (or so) and be successful at it is low probability unless you can cross some items off that list based on their college experience. I think the probability of that happening for a spread offense QB is limited.

But that's just my opinion. That steep learning curve is reduced with time and practice reps, IMO.

 

[Copernicus]

Likely. White might not even make it to us at 6 any more. I do think the raiders will strongly think about giving Carr White to work with over cooper. That size, speed, and agility screamsRaiders. If we trade back, I think it even reduces the chances of getting white more. I don't think he makes it past 10 anymore.

Ughhhh , unfortunately for our Jets, I think you a right on the money. White is a physical specimen. They just compared his attributes and the compare to the elites in the NFL. IMHO his value is going up after today's combine. He looks more impressive than Cooper. Crazy

 

[flgreen]

manish will say anything last year he was ripping geno now all of a sudden he is a good option?

Don't think he is saying Smith is a good QB, what he's doing is speculating that the Jets are going to select Mariota, unless Kelly goes all in. He is preparing his hate campaign against Mariota. If Mariota isn't there, he'll resume his campaign against Smith. Which is OK with me

 

[McJet]

It's my opinion, not gospel, but I think sitting the QB gives them less bad games their first year starting.

Not exaggerating, but a rookie QB needs to learn -

NFL footwork
Playbook terminology
The playbook
Progression through reads
Offensive line blocking schemes
Defensive alignments and how they map to our offensive line blocking schemes
Defensive coverages
When WRs will have inside vs outside released based on the coverage
Hot reads
Looking off safeties
How to match the gameplan to defensive alignments
The level of preparation required in a week-to-week basis to be successful in the NFL


The expectations for a rookie QB to learn all the Above between May 1 and September 9th (or so) and be successful at it is low probability unless you can cross some items off that list based on their college experience. I think the probability of that happening for a spread offense QB is limited.

But that's just my opinion. That steep learning curve is reduced with time and practice reps, IMO.

I agree.

 

[Bigmoe]

...was Geno ready to play? No. Was Alex Smith day 1 as a rookie, was Aaron Rodgers, was Kapernick? No, no, and no.

..Geno is a better answer until then. ..

#1 Geno's still not ready or never will be
#2 your really not comparing Geno to Smith, Aaron, or Kap are you?
#3 if Geno's the answer I don't even want to know the question

 

[sg3]

#1 Geno's still not ready or never will be
#2 your really not comparing Geno to Smith, Aaron, or Kap are you?
#3 if Geno's the answer I don't even want to know the question

Geno is definitely ready

For the Ryan Leaf/JaMarcus Russell scrap heap of QB draft BUSTS

 

[ucrenegade]

Geno is definitely ready

For the Ryan Leaf/JaMarcus Russell scrap heap of QB draft BUSTS

I have more faith in geno with gailey as OC then I did last year.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

That's all i need to know. Many of the new posters from the old board here know how i feel about Geno. If Mehta thinks Smith is the best option, then i'am sure it's because of all the BS potential he can write about that comes with Smith being the starter:

*Flipping his middle at Jets games..

*Missing a team meeting due to "watching a movie"..

*Proclaiming that he showed "Flashes of being a pro bowler when he choked the major part of the season when it counted...

Of course Manish wants Geno under center, he gives him the best chance to become writer of the year with all the useless drama h yearns for.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Mehta can be slammed for a lot, but his opinion on Geno v Mariota actually does makes some sense. At least, for those who haven't completely thrown Geno to the wolves. Like it or not, Geno will be here next season in some sort of QB competition. Why not hold out at least some hope that an OC with experience running a spread offense can maybe turn this kid into something respectable?

Having three QB's duke it out in TC isn't the worst thing in the world when you don't have a franchise QB anywhere obvious.

 

[sg3]

Sorry

Disagree

Holding out any hope that this bust belongs in the NFL is what makes no sense

If Winston or Mariota fall to 6, draft him

If not, draft Petty or Grayson in a later round. Before the draft, sign a reasonable priced vet

Then let the Vet, the rook and Matt Simms compete for the job. Oh I forgot, include the bust too, then dump him when he finishes s clear fourth

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Sorry

Disagree

Holding out any hope that this bust belongs in the NFL is what makes no sense

If Winston or Mariota fall to 6, draft him

If not, draft Petty or Grayson in a later round. Before the draft, sign a reasonable priced vet

Then let the Vet, the rook and Matt Simms compete for the job. Oh I forgot, include the bust too, then dump him when he finishes s clear fourth

You're right. We'll have to disagree that Geno will finish 4th after Matt Simms and some rookie 3rd or 4th round draft pick QB.

I'm not saying Geno is the answer. But he'll out-perform those guys without a doubt.

Without a doubt.

 

[sg3]

He stinks. He's arguably the worst QB in the NFL and has been for two seasons.

Without a doubt

And he got dramatically worse in his second season than in his rookie season

Without a doubt

You think he is worth wasting a third year and additional remedial coaching resources on.

I think that the wasting further time and effort on this bust ship has sailed.

Without a doubt

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Sorry

Disagree

Holding out any hope that this bust belongs in the NFL is what makes no sense

If Winston or Mariota fall to 6, draft him

If not, draft Petty or Grayson in a later round. Before the draft, sign a reasonable priced vet

Then let the Vet, the rook and Matt Simms compete for the job. Oh I forgot, include the bust too, then dump him when he finishes s clear fourth

100% agree. its like having david klingler on the team. sure he'll be on the roster, but we've all seen what he can do. in all honesty, geno is just a wasted roster spot in training camp. im sure once the new brass sees what hes all about, he'll have the same fate as stephen hill did with a new regime.

 

[NickSINYC]

I want a Vet QB plus another one drafted. I want a lot of competition for the job. The thing is Geno is going nowhere even if we do as I want. He is under a reasonable contract and has a new OC. As much as a lot of fans hate him he deserves the chance to win the job. If he can do that under the plan I laid out no one should fairly have a problem with that. If he loses the job he will be gone the following year. I just want to add I personally don't think he does win.

 

[sg3]

I think we agree. No need to cut him now. Bring in a FA or released vet, draft one of the big 2 if they fall to 6 or draft Petty or Grayson in the 3rd or with the 4th we save when we release Harvin.

Have a fair four way competition from day one of OTAs and when Smith is the worst of the four (an odds on bet IMO), then send him to the scrap heap

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

He stinks. He's arguably the worst QB in the NFL and has been for two seasons.

Without a doubt

And he got dramatically worse in his second season than in his rookie season

Without a doubt

You think he is worth wasting a third year and additional remedial coaching resources on.

I think that the wasting further time and effort on this bust ship has sailed.

Without a doubt

No.

Without a doubt, Geno will be a QB competing for a spot on our roster because, in case you missed it, we don't have many options. Now, I realize that's not exactly a ringing endorsement, but we don't exactly have better QB's to choose from.

Please tell me where "better" is coming from to start the season, and please don't say Bryce Petty or Sean Mannion.

 

[sg3]

Aside from the obvious two top five picks, Petty is better than Smith, Grayson is better than Smith, Simms is better than Smith, 31 other starting NFL starting QBs and 20 or more backup NFL QBs are better than Smith

So in the four way competition between the FA or waivee, the drafted rookie, Matt Simms and Smith, Smith is a lock to finish in 4th place

Without a doubt

 

[JaxJet]

Geno is definitely ready

For the Ryan Leaf/JaMarcus Russell scrap heap of QB draft BUSTS

I agree 100%

 

[Superman55]

He stinks. He's arguably the worst QB in the NFL and has been for two seasons.

Without a doubt

And he got dramatically worse in his second season than in his rookie season

Without a doubt

You think he is worth wasting a third year and additional remedial coaching resources on.

I think that the wasting further time and effort on this bust ship has sailed.

Without a doubt

Do we waant to be fact based or opinion based? If we're being fact based, there isn't much correct in this post, without a doubt...

1) "he's arguably the worst QB in the NFL" - He's been bottom 10 QB both years in the league, no doubt, but far from the worst qb in the league the last 2 years. If you look at QBR, comp %, and TD:INT ratio, Geno was better than both McCown and Hoyer last year, two names we're looking at to bring in and compete...so he couldn't have been the worst, if both mcCown and Hoyer were worse...it also says if Hoyer and/or McCown are brought in, there isn't much hope they'll be that much better than Geno, meaning bringing them in doesn't mean Geno wont start.

2) "He got dramatically worse in his second season than his rookie season" -

This couldn't be more wrong, his comp%, QBR, TD:INT ratio, and footwork all improved from year 1 to year 2. His inconsistencies did not improve.

3) We shouldn't waste time on this bust - you could be right, but lets let the professionals, Mac, Bowles, and Gaily make said choice. Im sure no one will cry if they move on from Geno, but lets see how they evaluate the position and who they add. I think we all want to see an upgrade, whether its Bradford, Foles, Winston, or Mariota, but I dont see the point of making up facts to make an argument. Blindside isn't wrong until we know who else will be on the roster.