Most of you may not agree!

[jets82]

This just might be my opinion but if this comes down to Mike White being our future quarterback and Zach Wilson not being the future already, then this draft class and regime has pretty much failed us and the team. Even if it’s just for the rest of the year, I pretty much feel the same way. I just don’t get what this regime is doing!

This entire regime saw something in Zach Wilson that probably most of us didn’t. The entire off season and even before that, it appears they were dead set on Zach. Now you’re telling me that after one game pretty much, they possibly may be thinking of starting Mike White and playing him the rest of the year? I just don’t get that. I’m sure most if not all you guys won’t agree with me on this and that’s ok.

They apparently saw enough in Zach all off-season and during the preseason to go with just him and Mike White. If they didn’t feel all off season and during training camp that they needed a veteran quarterback to start ahead of Zach then why are they changing their tune now, and not letting the kid play the rest of the year? It appears and I could be wrong but it appears that when Zach is healthy he may be riding a bench. WTF!

So let me get this straight, all off season and during the preseason, Mike White didn’t show them enough to truly challenge Zach for the starting QB position but now he is after one game? I just don’t get it that. This season was going to be filled with a lot of bumps and bruises on Zach’s part. They had to of known that! They started the season with Zach so let him finish the season when he’s healthy. Otherwise why did they start him in the first place?

Were they expecting this kid to take them to the playoffs with this roster? A roster with a overall average age of 25 years old. Is that what they were thinking and now that the season has turned to shit and Mike White plays one good game and another good quarter, they are going to go with him for the rest of the year? What, do they think that he’s going to take them to the playoffs now?

In other words, what I’m saying is this season was strictly a rebuilding one and truly went down the tubes pretty much in game 5 against the Patriots anyway. Maybe even before then. So why not let Zach play the rest of the year and learn from his mistakes if they truly believe in him? Maybe they don’t!

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Well maybe they could showcase White and get something for him. And then let Wilson ruin next season for Jet fans.

 

[Bigmoe]

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They apparently saw enough of Zach

I fixed it :
As it may come to this

PS : I was all in on the kid as I was all out for Sam
At least I got part 2 of that correct

 

[gmf1369]

they well tender Mike White

original tender 5th round pick
2nd round tender
or
if he continues to play lights out tendering him a
1st round won't be bad thing as a backup nowadays QBs make more money then they used too...

The RFA tenders are classified as follows:

First-round tender: One-year contract worth the greater of (a) $4.766 million or (b) 110 percent of the player's prior-year base salary. If the player's original team decides not to match an offer sheet signed with another team, it is entitled to a first-round draft pick from the player's new team. Unless received two days or later prior to the NFL draft, draft compensation for each tender is due in the same league year as the offer sheet is signed.

A signed offer sheet with a new team includes Principal Terms that must be matched by the prior club. However, if the new team includes terms that waive or limit its ability to designate the RFA a franchise player, the old team will not have to match this term if it has tendered the player with an offer worth $500,000 more than the first-round tender ($5.266 million in 2021).

Second-round tender: One-year contract worth the greater of (a) $3.384 million or (b) 110 percent of the player's prior-year base salary. Draft-choice compensation: second-round pick.

Original-round tender: One-year contract worth the greater of (a) $2.183 million or (b) 110 percent of the player's prior-year base salary. Draft-choice compensation: a pick in the round the player was originally drafted in.

Right-of-first-refusal tender: One-year contract worth $2.133 million. Team has the right to match any offer sheet signed with another team, but there is no draft compensation tied to this tender.

At worst we have an affordable capable backup $4.76 M well next year will be slightly higher but you get the gist...
At best a team is willing to give up their first for him and sign him to a lucrative offer sheet and JD does not have to waver with a negotiation it is what it is if you want him you give us your first plain n simple...

If he is signed away by another team we always have Josh Johnson who proved he can operate this game plan...

Zach Wilson is the future until he is not... He has to prove he can operate the short game with confidence as he does the deep passing accuracy... When he does then it is his job to win and keep...

 

[jets82]

Well maybe they could showcase White and get something for him. And then let Wilson ruin next season for Jet fans.

Who’s says or what’s to say he’s going to ruin next season? He may just come back this season (if they let him play) being a much better QB then what he’s presented so far. If not this season then next we may see it! Stop being such a negative Nancy!

He’s our #2 pick and hasn’t shown enough for any of us to give up on him this fast. You didn’t give up on your boy Darnold in year one after 7 games so why do that to Zach? I remember that vividly. Hell, I didn’t give up on Sam either until year three and I won’t on Zach this soon either.

Besides, Zach is a much better QB than Sam and he’s proving that right now. Zach doesn’t have the kind of weapons around him that Sam does, plus he’s a rookie. That’s his excuse, what’s Sam’s? Sam has nothing but good to great weapons around him and he still sucks ass. Plus he’s still getting injured, as usual!

 

[gastineau]

Some fans think they can evaluate Zach is a super stud QB and blame him for this season. Its just silly. New Coaches doing new jobs with new Players to them. GM is in a middle of Fixing this total Frack up by last 2 GMs with brains of peas, and still we have about 2 thirds of a Built Jets Team at best. Really cant tell about Zach who faced the toughest Defense in first 6 games and yet Won against Titans who are legit. White is doing what he is paid to do! Step in and Sub if Zach gets injured. Diff between White and Zach is White has an average arm for short passes like Geno Smith for a lot of YAK yds. Zach has a Big Time arm that can throw any pass accurately. Going to take time like Jags QB who was number 1 Draft pick who also isnt doing any better than Zach. Zach is Jets future period, but needs the Team behind him. WRs and Zach needs to get timing together because Zach shouldnt have to pass the ball slowly to them like White. Zach needs to continue to throw ZIP pass right to WRs,TEs and hit them in the head,back,chest like White did in his first game and then Coaches an fans will point to them for not looking to catch the ball. I think we really have something with Zach! Fast Zip accurate Passes at any distance giving Jets a chance to win all close games like Josh Allen in his 2nd year getting him a good number one WR. My concern is his confidence being beat down by media,and fans. Its like you get 5 games and the whole team mistakes is all Zachs fault. Just stop and support Zach. Even I supported all Jets awful QB Drafts with last one being Darnold over Allen
This man Zach I see big time talent if he gets confident in games and seen a little of it in Titans game. Run Plays that fit Zachs Play skill building his confidence to be the first Jets Franchise QB since Namath.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Who’s says or what’s to say he’s going to ruin next season? He may just come back this season (if they let him play) being a much better QB then what he’s presented so far. If not this season then next we may see it! Stop being such a negative Nancy!

He’s our #2 pick and hasn’t shown enough for any of us to give up on him this fast. You didn’t give up on your boy Darnold in year one after 7 games so why do that to Zach? I remember that vividly. Hell, I didn’t give up on Sam either until year three and I won’t on Zach this soon either.

Besides, Zach is a much better QB than Sam and he’s proving that right now. Zach doesn’t have the kind of weapons around him that Sam does, plus he’s a rookie. That’s his excuse, what’s Sam’s? Sam has nothing but good to great weapons around him and he still sucks ass. Plus he’s still getting injured, as usual!

You love to bring up Darnold. I haven't said anything about Darnold in a year. One thing I do know is Zach sucks right now and he has not done one thing to prove otherwise to me. Maybe I learned my lesson from Darnold. Two backups have been way better than Wilson. Believe me I wish I never heard of Mike White, but until Wilson shows a complete turnaround I would rather watch a QB that give the Jets a chance to win.

 

[jets82]

You love to bring up Darnold. I haven't said anything about Darnold in a year. One thing I do know is Zach sucks right now and he has not done one thing to prove otherwise to me. Maybe I learned my lesson from Darnold. Two backups have been way better than Wilson. Believe me I wish I never heard of Mike White, but until Wilson shows a complete turnaround I would rather watch a QB that give the Jets a chance to win.

Put it however you want, what I’m saying about Darnold is the truth and you know it. As for our current rookie QB and giving up on Zach after just seven games makes absolutely no sense to me. He’s the #2 draft pick and has shown flashes of being worthy of that. He just needs time to learn and develop his touch for the NFL game. That most likely has to be done on the field. They started him from game one, they might as well let him sink or swim with the ship. This season is a lose regardless. The Jets win 4-5 games at most (if their truly lucky) with White or Wilson, so why not play Wilson?

 

[gmf1369]

Put it however you want, what I’m saying about Darnold is the truth and you know it. As for our current rookie QB and giving up on Zach after just seven games makes absolutely no sense to me. He’s the #2 draft pick and has shown flashes of being worthy of that. He just needs time to learn and develop his touch for the NFL game. That most likely has to be done on the field. They started him from game one, they might as well let him sink or swim with the ship. This season is a lose regardless. The Jets win 4-5 games at most (if their truly lucky) with White or Wilson, so why not play Wilson?

Darnold needs to be lead by a capable play caller yes he was a reach and was pissed when we took him but knew they were enamored with him and his football acumen... They looked at Josh Rosen as a snob that can throw a football... They saw Josh Allen as Big Ben but didn't think he could develop his fumblitis or accuracy... They looked at Baker but he was too short...

Funny thing is in this offense Darnold could excel because he can make all the throws and stay in as a pocket guy... That was one reason why they went back and forth about trading him, they would of still drafted Zach either way...

When it comes to Zach he didn't earn a damn thing and that was wrong by this coaching staff, now Mike White and Josh Johnson are flourishing in this game plan shows Zach he either needs to buy in or they will find a trade partner to fleece for him and ship him out...

We really don't know if it is injury precaution or they felt Mike White earned another shot to start... Both can be true, but we have to see if Mike White goes out and continues to dominate with the supporting cast that is here he can remain the starter until he falters...

 

[Bigmoe]

When the team sucks
( hello Jet fans )
The backup QB is the most popular guy on the team
Give White a shot
I have zero expectations
But I’d love to see it play out

 

[gmf1369]

I have zero expectations

you finally get it

 

[Innocenti]

I don't think that Mike White getting the nod says anything about Wilson. Wilson is still hurt and listed as questionable and I'm sure that was taken into consideration.

From what has happened so far, Wilson does not appear to be any better than White...but he may have more upside and an upcoming game might expose a problem with White. If White shows himself to be an answer at QB and Wilson doesn't, I wouldn't be upset about the draft because I would know that next year, we wouldn't need a QB.

 

[jets82]

Look at it like this Jets faithful, if the Jets truly had a chance of winning 10 games and Zach wasn’t ready to lead them or just wasn’t the guy I’d get it. Hell, I’ll say if they were capable of winning 8 games, I’d understand but this is a team that has 4-5 games in them at most (if their truly lucky) and your going to bench Zach for Mike White? WTF man!

This team will suck regardless and they choose to start Zach from game one. Whether that was the right thing to do or not, that’s what they choose to do! Stick with the kid through thick and thin. Let him take his lumps on the field and learn as he goes. Zach is the future here, if Mike White was, one would think it would have taken 3-4 years to reveal itself.

 

[beresford]

if Mike White was, one would think it wouldn’t have taken 3-4 years to reveal itself.

How long did it take Brady to 'reveal itself'? He was drafted in the sixth round, was #4 on the depth chart for a long time, and famously only got his shot because the Jets put Bledsoe out of the game. It is likely that there are a number of quarterbacks who come into the NFL and never get a chance to prove themselves because they are kept on the practise squad and then shuffled out several years later. Perhaps White is our Brady, or perhaps he is our Minshew, but we have to let it play out. How stupid do we look if we release him and he goes on to a HOF career elsewhere while Wilson turns out to be another Jets' bust?

 

[jets82]

How long did it take Brady to 'reveal itself'? He was drafted in the sixth round, was #4 on the depth chart for a long time, and famously only got his shot because the Jets put Bledsoe out of the game. It is likely that there are a number of quarterbacks who come into the NFL and never get a chance to prove themselves because they are kept on the practise squad and then shuffled out several years later. Perhaps White is our Brady, or perhaps he is our Minshew, but we have to let it play out. How stupid do we look if we release him and he goes on to a HOF career elsewhere while Wilson turns out to be another Jets' bust?

Brady's situation is a bit different I would think. Brady was drafted in the sixth round because he didn't show enough in college (I could only assume). Now as far as the NFL, Brady was playing behind Bledsoe at that time and Bledsoe was on his way to a solid career. Don't believe me, he took the Patriots to the Super Bowl before Brady got there (if I remember correctly). They lost but he got them there. Bledsoe's career was going pretty good until he got injured that game and Brady took over. If it wasn't for that Bledsoe still may have been playing, one would assume.

What I'm getting at is Brady sat behind an proven QB at the least and possible future HOFer (that is a HUGE strength). White was been sitting behind Darnold and Flacco and he couldn't beat them out. When Brady got his shot, he never looked back and he was playing with a Super Bowl caliber team and coaching staff. Mike White is not! Now either White truly didn't show anything to the Jets all these years until that game or they all are just truly stupid. Only time will tell but they did draft Zach for a reason and they wanted him from day one. So what do they do from here.....

 

[Bigmoe]

Brady's situation is a bit different I would think. Brady was drafted in the sixth round because he didn't show enough in college (I could only assume). Now as far as the NFL, Brady was playing behind Bledsoe at that time and Bledsoe was on his way to a solid career. Don't believe me, he took the Patriots to the Super Bowl before Brady got there (if I remember correctly). They lost but he got them there. Bledsoe's career was going pretty good until he got injured that game and Brady took over. If it wasn't for that Bledsoe still may have been playing, one would assume.

What I'm getting at is Brady sat behind an proven QB at the least and possible future HOFer (that is a HUGE strength). White was been sitting behind Darnold and Flacco and he couldn't beat them out. When Brady got his shot, he never looked back and he was playing with a Super Bowl caliber team and coaching staff. Mike White is not! Now either White truly didn't show anything to the Jets all these years until that game or they all are just truly stupid. Only time will tell but they did draft Zach for a reason and they wanted him from day one. So what do they do from here.....

Different situations for different players:
I wonder how many QBs would have been great just givin the chance
Another one:
Kurt Warner went undrafted in the 1994 NFL Draft. He was invited to try out for the Green Bay Packers' training camp in 1994, but was released before the regular season began.
Stock boy - Arena football
Needed Trent Green to be injured before he became
The Greatest Show on Turf

 

[gmf1369]

every QB can succeed with the right supporting cast mainly coaching staff

need to be held accountable but also need to be coddled just because their egos are different then most players

strenuous college career are the best adversities to have at this level because coaches have a floor of technically failure to work with and build that ego that was already smashed and elevate the mechanics, the drive and the willingness to succeed...

 

[Old#15]

I am a big Wilson supporter, but I admit that this is turning into a better situation for him. The team and coaching staff, offense that is, is growing up before our eyes. That and Wilson being witness to it can only benefit the kid. If he figures out to be patient and take what the defense is giving him, and to speed up his clock, the sky's the limit. We still need some pieces on the offense (OL, RB and TE), but things are progressing and there is no need to rush the rookie QB. The defense is another thing altogether...

 

[gmf1369]

you have to think that when Wilson was playing he was playing his version of the game plan, now with both Mike White and Josh Johnson inserted that Mike LaFleur is able to get a better handle on what is being done on the field and at the same time using the game tape to teach Zach Wilson the nuances of how to better orchestrate the command of the huddle and teammates on offense

they should of never handed him the job, they had options regardless of if they kept Sam or not...

 

[jets82]

Different situations for different players:
I wonder how many QBs would have been great just givin the chance
Another one:
Kurt Warner went undrafted in the 1994 NFL Draft. He was invited to try out for the Green Bay Packers' training camp in 1994, but was released before the regular season began.
Stock boy - Arena football
Needed Trent Green to be injured before he became
The Greatest Show on Turf

Can't debate this one!