My feelings on the Adams Pick are similar to Leonard Williams

[soj]

This is nonsense, Sack. A few good picks that were labeled as "BPA" does not a GM make? Whether you or anyone else wants to acknowledge it, the GM's success/failure is forever linked to the team's success/failure. Makes sense, right? That's logical, right?

The fact is this team had one OK season and one terrible season. So where they are in there 3rd season with Mac, the playoffs should be EXPECTED and that is fair given how long he's gotten to build this team. Yet the Jets are in total rebuilding mode from scratch.

I didn't write the rules for GM's, I am merely giving you the publics perception.

Mac needs to draft much better with players that don't fall in his lap. He needs to show that he can identify talent in later rounds than the 1st. He needs to start this team on a winning path. I'll reserve judgment until I see how he handles the rest of this draft, but he must NET at least 3 starters in this draft. Otherwise, the team is just spinning their wheels and will never become SB champions under his direction.

the only expectation for the PO is yours sir... not even the owner expects that so lighten up because this selection no matter how we got him is the real deal and will improve the secondary, the attitude in the LR and may even be a leader we sorely need in the secondary.

 

[jetgreen13]

the only expectation for the PO is yours sir... not even the owner expects that so lighten up because this selection no matter how we got him is the real deal and will improve the secondary, the attitude in the LR and may even be a leader we sorely need in the secondary.

we all hope the kid is the real deal.. hell, we spent a 6 on a safety..

granted, the kids a safety that many assumed would be off the board before we could draft him, so there is that..

but much like williams, he also landed in maccagnan's lap.. good, bad, right or wrong, i believe plenty of jet fans would has seen the wisdom in drafting both kids & we don't get paid (really good money) to make those decisions.....

 

[gmf1369]

we all hope the kid is the real deal.. hell, we spent a 6 on a safety..

granted, the kids a safety that many assumed would be off the board before we could draft him, so there is that..

versatile safety (either safety position ) that has the ability to play bump n run coverage albeit in the nickel position but gives us diversity in the secondary...

 

[Mainejet]

the only expectation for the PO is yours sir... not even the owner expects that so lighten up because this selection no matter how we got him is the real deal and will improve the secondary, the attitude in the LR and may even be a leader we sorely need in the secondary.

I didn't say anything about Jamal Adams. I think it's a sound selection and an area of need. It was just as much a no brainer as selecting OJ Howard would have been.

But WHY do we have so many areas of need? And why are we in total rebuild mode 3 years into the Mac regime? You need to ask yourself that. Most Jets fans already have. They call it POOR DRAFTING. It's not rocket science. The better you draft, the better the team turns out to be. Mac has drafted ONE legitimate good player. Every other pick is suspect of being busts and team continues to look more and more like the Cleveland Browns.

 

[SackExchange]

This is nonsense, Sack. A few good picks that were labeled as "BPA" does not a GM make? Whether you or anyone else wants to acknowledge it, the GM's success/failure is forever linked to the team's success/failure. Makes sense, right? That's logical, right?

The fact is this team had one OK season and one terrible season. So where they are in there 3rd season with Mac, the playoffs should be EXPECTED and that is fair given how long he's gotten to build this team. Yet the Jets are in total rebuilding mode from scratch.

I didn't write the rules for GM's, I am merely giving you the publics perception.

Mac needs to draft much better with players that don't fall in his lap. He needs to show that he can identify talent in later rounds than the 1st. He needs to start this team on a winning path. I'll reserve judgment until I see how he handles the rest of this draft, but he must NET at least 3 starters in this draft. Otherwise, the team is just spinning their wheels and will never become SB champions under his direction.

I never said it makes a GM. What I said was you can't just dismiss both picks, that it's selective and convenient to write off his good picks while focusing on his bad decisions.

Do you really think he should get zero credit for getting one of the 2-3 best players in the draft in 2 of 3 drafts, despite picking sixth in both those drafts?

 

[SackExchange]

I didn't say anything about Jamal Adams. I think it's a sound selection and an area of need. It was just as much a no brainer as selecting OJ Howard would have been.

But WHY do we have so many areas of need? And why are we in total rebuild mode 3 years into the Mac regime? You need to ask yourself that. Most Jets fans already have. They call it POOR DRAFTING. It's not rocket science. The better you draft, the better the team turns out to be. Mac has drafted ONE legitimate good player. Every other pick is suspect of being busts and team continues to look more and more like the Cleveland Browns.

Why do we have so many areas of need, and why are we rebuilding in year 3? I can answer those questions.

1. If the new regime came in and immediately rebuilt, going through a 3-13 2015 season, the fans would have called for everyone's heads.
2. If the new regime had torn it down and rebuilt in 2016, one season after going 10-6, the fans would have called for everyone's heads.

That's why.

 

[jetgreen13]

Why do we have so many areas of need, and why are we rebuilding in year 3? I can answer those questions.

1. If the new regime came in and immediately rebuilt, going through a 3-13 2015 season, the fans would have called for everyone's heads.
2. If the new regime had torn it down and rebuilt in 2016, one season after going 10-6, the fans would have called for everyone's heads.

That's why.

after drafting a safety at 6, followed by another at 39, do you think this regime did anything to stop fans from calling for everyone's heads??

 

[SackExchange]

after drafting a safety at 6, followed by another at 39, do you think this regime did anything to stop fans from calling for everyone's heads??

Not really. Loved the Adams pick. Hated the Maye pick, even if it is a FS and not a SS. Different position, but still. Other areas of need were there.

 

[jetgreen13]

Not really.

not really?? i beg to differ..

this is embarrassing, even for this franchise..

 

[SackExchange]

not really?? i beg to differ..

this is embarrassing, even for this franchise..

In all fairness, SS and FS are not the same position. I don't care for the pick, but that's a bit overstated.

 

[jetgreen13]

In all fairness, SS and FS are not the same position.

& in all fairness, we've been posting together long enough that you should know that's not lost on me..

you're making a lukewarm attempt at defending the indefensible..

 

[SackExchange]

& in all fairness, we've been posting together long enough that you should know that's not lost on me..

you're making a lukewarm attempt at defending the indefensible..

I already said I didn't like the pick. What I'm saying is the over-the-top embarrassment talk is a bit extreme. There is a gray area.

Caporoso is more positive on it than me, or anyone else on this board.

 

[jetgreen13]

I already said I didn't like the pick. What I'm saying is the over-the-top embarrassment talk is a bit extreme. There is a gray area.

Caporoso is more positive on it than me, or anyone else on this board.

yeah, well, i found the pick embarrassing..

you know what, here's my question to you.. why do jet GMs seem to historically kid themselves into believing they are the smartest guys in the room??

LOLz it certainly can't be based on the track record..

 

[SackExchange]

yeah, well, i found the pick embarrassing..

you know what, here's my question to you.. why do jet GMs seem to historically kid themselves into believing they are the smartest guys in the room??

LOLz it certainly can't be based on the track record..

If the Jets were the only team that ever missed on picks, I could see the argument. But it's a falsehood. It's just because we dwell on the Jets, so we focus on other teams' great picks and ignore their busts.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

If the Jets were the only team that ever missed on picks, I could see the argument. But it's a falsehood. It's just because we dwell on the Jets, so we focus on other teams' great picks and ignore their busts.

We had a potential franchise RB, shutdown corner and two potential impact TE's staring us dead in the face, and we took another safety.

I have to agree with J13 ... embarrassing.

What happened tonight in the 2nd RD was an absolute debacle.

 

[SackExchange]

We had a potential franchise RB, shutdown corner and two potential impact TE's staring us dead in the face, and we took another safety.

I have to agree with J13 ... embarrassing.

What happened tonight in the 2nd RD was an absolute debacle.

When you called on the GM and HC to both commit suicide, I kind of figured where you stood.

I was not happy with the pick, but for heaven's sake, it's WAYYYYYYY over the top.

 

[jetgreen13]

If the Jets were the only team that ever missed on picks, I could see the argument. But it's a falsehood. It's just because we dwell on the Jets, so we focus on other teams' great picks and ignore their busts.

i didn't say the jets are the only team that ever misses on picks, so i have no need to defend that "falsehood" you presented..

what i did say was jet GMs historically kid themselves into believing they are the smartest guys in the room..

 

[hobson54]

We had a potential franchise RB, shutdown corner and two potential impact TE's staring us dead in the face, and we took another safety.

I have to agree with J13 ... embarrassing.

What happened tonight in the 2nd RD was an absolute debacle.

amazing these franchise RB, shutdown corner and impact TEs were not one of the first 38 picks in the draft

 

[SackExchange]

i didn't say the jets are the only team that ever misses on picks, so i have no need to defend that "falsehood" you presented..

what i did say was jet GMs historically kid themselves into believing they are the smartest guys in the room..

I'm not sure that's the case. Lots of GMs do the same thing, picking outside the box because they're convinced they know more than everyone else.

Just look last night. I'm not sure a lot of teams had Corey Davis pegged as a top 5 pick. Isn't that an instance of the Titans' front office convinced they are the smartest guys around, like they just pulled a rabbit out of a hat?

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

amazing these franchise RB, shutdown corner and impact TEs were not one of the first 38 picks in the draft

Yeah but they all went shortly after we plucked a second Safety.

41. RB Dalvin Cook
43. CB Sidney Jones
44. TE Gerald Everett
45. TE Adam Shaheen

So they all went within the span of the next six picks, and any one of them would have been a tremendously exciting pick for the Jets.