New York Jets at Houston Texans Game Thread

[gmf1369]

esp since he dropped two catch-able balls...

I scouted Devin Smith thought he had good change of direction but his route running was suspect. As we seen he doesn't come back to the ball. His eye-hand coordination is below average as in college all he did was run go routes, but those defensive backs in college aren't anywhere as good as the ones he is playing now and for whatever reason his speed is not enough.

 

[flgreen]

at this point Petty would get killed behind our offensive line especially with Mangold likely out for awhile...

Just put Geno in, bench Fitzpatrick and hope Geno can be smart with the ball...

This is a joke right?

 

[SackExchange]

We need to know because it directly effects the most valuable commodity in the draft, our first round pick.

If you don't have a franchise QB to build around in this league, you'll be changing coaches and GM's every few years until you find one, its that simple, thats why we've had a gazillion coaches and GM's since Namath, because our inability to find another franchise QB to replace him, which is pathetic considering its been over forty years, but I digress.

Point being, if we don't have a QB we have to move heaven and earth to get one, with our first round pick if we have a crack at one or we might even have to sell the farm to move up. But if Petty gives us a reason to believe the future might be secure at the most important position in football, we won't have to sell the farm and that commodity (1st RD Pick) can be used elsewhere.

Like I said above, I don't mind if you say NO to playing Petty, if you say its too soon, thats your opinion and I respect it, but please don't turn around in the off season and say we need to draft a QB in the first round or trade up for one, without even knowing what we have in Petty.

But we don't make that pick. You don't make it, and neither do I. So no, WE do not need to know.

The Jets may need to know. The front office may need to know. Mac and Bowles may need to know. But you don't need to know, and I don't need to know.

The people who do need to know are the ones who see Petty every day. They don't have to make a decision on Petty this year, if they don't want to. There is nothing saying they can't give Petty more than one season to fully develop into a viable QB.

 

[gmf1369]

This is a joke right?

not a joke, he played some good ball

if he can I don't know play better ball than Fitz then maybe we can salvage our season but Petty should not be put in, but Fitz needs to be sidelined.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

But we don't make that pick. You don't make it, and neither do I. So no, WE do not need to know.

The Jets may need to know. The front office may need to know. Mac and Bowles may need to know. But you don't need to know, and I don't need to know.

The people who do need to know are the ones who see Petty every day. They don't have to make a decision on Petty this year, if they don't want to. There is nothing saying they can't give Petty more than one season to fully develop into a viable QB.

The coaches can only learn so much from practice. You don't know what you have in a QB until you see him in games, verses live bullets, verses other guys who get paid to make plays and make him look bad, whose livelihoods are on the line just like his. So when I say WE, I'm speaking generically as a fan, what I really mean is the decision makers need to know. I'd like to know too, but I agree that what really matters is that the decision makers get a better idea of what Petty is?

 

[NewMFS62]

Wow! That was terrible.
Can one of their receivers actually catch a pass for a change?
And can the offensive line try to keep the quarterback upright or untouched?
And can that vaunted (by the press earlier in the year) defensive line put an opposing quarterback in a prone position more than once a game? You know, that opposing quarterback who hadn't started an NFL game since, what? George Halas was coaching?
This is depressing.

Later

 

[SackExchange]

The coaches can only learn so much from practice. You don't know what you have in a QB until you see him in games, verses live bullets, verses other guys who get paid to make plays and make him look bad, whose livelihoods are on the line just like his. So when I say WE, I'm speaking generically as a fan, what I really mean is the decision makers need to know. I'd like to know too, but I agree that what really matters is that the decision makers get a better idea of what Petty is?

And they are the ones who have the right to decide how they make that decision. They are entrusted to make the decision as to whether they can best evaluate Petty now in game situations, or if it is better to let him continue to develop in practice and through mental reps.

By you saying we have to find out, and we can only find out through playing him, you are dictating to the front office what you believe the best way to evaluate him is.

The front office needs to know, but it is up to them how they find out.

 

[flgreen]

not a joke, he played some good ball

if he can I don't know play better ball than Fitz then maybe we can salvage our season but Petty should not be put in, but Fitz needs to be sidelined.

I must have missed that play.

 

[Elias]

Geno and Fitz are not the answer. I like Fitz better though

 

[usapaw]

And they are the ones who have the right to decide how they make that decision. They are entrusted to make the decision as to whether they can best evaluate Petty now in game situations, or if it is better to let him continue to develop in practice and through mental reps.

By you saying we have to find out, and we can only find out through playing him, you are dictating to the front office what you believe the best way to evaluate him is.

The front office needs to know, but it is up to them how they find out.

??????But you are saying the kid shouldn't play; like you know. Kind of convenient thinking?

 

[SackExchange]

Geno and Fitz are not the answer. I like Fitz better though

And this is the problem.

For this season, Fitz and Geno aren't the answer. Long term, either.

For this season, Petty isn't the answer. Long term, jury is out.

But with what the Jets have now, there really isn't much point. This is not a SB team. With the Pats, it's at best a wild card team. Is it really worth it to put in Petty before he's ready, all for a possible wild card run? Haven't we seen enough wild card runs in our lifetime?

If holding out Petty gives him a 1% higher chance of developing into a franchise QB, I hold him out. I don't care enough about this season. And I sure don't care about satisfying any curiosity.

 

[lounap23]

Geno and Fitz are not the answer. I like Fitz better though

Exactly!! let Petty battle for the starting spot next training camp

 

[ucrenegade]

My views Watt killed everyone in our oline no matter where he lined up esp abusing breno but also brick.

We need at least 2 other wr's the only ones that can catch and run decent routes on our team on a consistent basis are marshall and decker.

Fitz doesn't say it but i think the thumb is more worrisome than he wants you to believe.

3 how can we not find a te that can at least be targeted twice a game or be another outlet.

The defense is old and we need more depth on our team in general but after only having 1 fa class and 1 draft class I am not ready to write big mac or bowles off yet.

 

[SackExchange]

??????But you are saying the kid shouldn't play; like you know. Kind of convenient thinking?

I'm saying I wouldn't put him in, but that is because I question the motives of those who want to put him in. I wouldn't put him in to satisfy the curiosity of fans who want to act like they actually have a voice in the war room at the draft.

If the front office says he's ready, and decide to put him in next week, then that is their decision, and I'm fine with that.

 

[usapaw]

I'm saying I wouldn't put him in, but that is because I question the motives of those who want to put him in. I wouldn't put him in to satisfy the curiosity of fans who want to act like they actually have a voice in the war room at the draft.

If the front office says he's ready, and decide to put him in next week, then that is their decision, and I'm fine with that.

So if the JETs go on to lose all the remaining games with Fitz are you for drafting a QB with the 1st pick?

 

[Elias]

And this is the problem.

For this season, Fitz and Geno aren't the answer. Long term, either.

For this season, Petty isn't the answer. Long term, jury is out.

But with what the Jets have now, there really isn't much point. This is not a SB team. With the Pats, it's at best a wild card team. Is it really worth it to put in Petty before he's ready, all for a possible wild card run? Haven't we seen enough wild card runs in our lifetime?

If holding out Petty gives him a 1% higher chance of developing into a franchise QB, I hold him out. I don't care enough about this season. And I sure don't care about satisfying any curiosity.

I agree with everything you say. I'm against starting Petty. Let him sit and learn. I want us to build a team around the qb to give him the best possible chance to succeed.

Secure the oline. Get him a run game. Add one more receiving WR. Then run him out there.

The good 4-1 start spoiled us and made us believe the jets were a team. They still have lots of holes that I hope Bowles and Mac fill

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Devin Smith and Antonio Cromartie need to keep their mouths closed from here on out. Smith dismissed criticism earlier this week as if it were completely uncalled for. "I know what I can do, ect". He gets paid to perform, and he's not getting it done. Second round draft picks dropping TD's. And Cromartie's crazy wife is going nuts on Jets fans on Twitter for criticizing her man. If you don't want to read it, stay away. Newsflash: Cromartie has been awful during this losing streak.

 

[Elias]

So if the JETs go on to lose all the remaining games with Fitz are you for drafting a QB with the 1st pick?

I know Ham said not to ask for a QB but I would. I would draft a qb each year until we find one.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

And they are the ones who have the right to decide how they make that decision. They are entrusted to make the decision as to whether they can best evaluate Petty now in game situations, or if it is better to let him continue to develop in practice and through mental reps.

By you saying we have to find out, and we can only find out through playing him, you are dictating to the front office what you believe the best way to evaluate him is.

The front office needs to know, but it is up to them how they find out.

We're allowed to disagree with the front office, right?

Its not like front offices are infallible.

They make mistakes like everyone else, so its okay if we have a difference of opinion. I'm sure they believe we are still very much in the hunt for a playoff spot and they are not ready to cash in the season just yet on a neophyte QB who will undoubtedly experience growing pains. IMO that would be the main reason they would be reluctant to make the switch just yet and its certainly not without merit, its not like the rest of the league has run and hid, technically at 5-5 we are still very much alive in the Wildcard hunt, I've just given up on the idea that this team can accomplish anything worth wild and ultimately I don't believe they will make the playoffs, for whatever reason this team simply is not playing up to its talent level in my view and I've seen enough of these underachievers to feel optimistic about their prospects going forward in 2015. IMO if the coaches shared my pessimistic view of this bunch (and of course they won't), they would most likely move on to Petty to see what we have, but coaches are not wired that way, they don't accept defeat until they are mathematically eliminated and they rarely take a long-term view. GM's on the other hand do, they do take more of a long-term view, thats often where the conflict arises between coaches and GM's, and I do believe that if we are going to make the switch to Petty before we are mathematically eliminated, it will most likely be a directive from the GM.

 

[SackExchange]

So if the JETs go on to lose all the remaining games with Fitz are you for drafting a QB with the 1st pick?

I would be fine with going for a QB, if the front office believes Petty is not the answer through their evaluations, or if they think another QB could be a more certain franchise QB long term.

I guess what this comes down to is, I trust the front office more than I trust myself, or you, or anyone on this board.