New York Jets @ San Francisco Game Thread
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The thing that really stood out to me on the negative side was the run defense. Carlos Hyde is a very good player, but that was stupid. He ripped off about 5-6 huge runs with nobody near him. Gilchrist had to catch up with him numerous times. I'll give Mainejet some credit here: Darron Lee admitted he stunk in that first half. He said it was bad angles and just inexcusable. He shouldered all of the blame for it. At least Lee played better in the 2nd half, and didn't dodge the blame.
Where was Wilkerson? Richardson? The rest of the defense? That was alarming.
Where was Wilkerson? Richardson? The rest of the defense? That was alarming.
No & yes LOL You can get good picks anywhere...sure it is better to have early ones but a good GM can do it. I agree on petty out with the old & in with the new......I think I said that last year but better late then never..
I also said the Run d was not as good as most people thought & we would miss the guy the Giants got ....winning team win & losing teams lose.
I also said the Cards would win the Super bowl this year......well no one is perfect LOL
Definitely concerning.
If I was in the Jets' FO, as soon as the season ended, I would make sure that any exit interviews with players focused on Bowles. Make sure they know it's in confidence, but get an honest account. I'd also want to watch a couple practices, to see both how Bowles is handling them at 4-9 and how the players are responding to him on a Wednesday.
If he has lost the team, the evidence will be there.
Honestly this was all about the personnel being played.... Not having McLendon at NT should ahve played more Dion Simon but we played a lot of 3-4 with Mo at NT..... that coupled with poor play from Lee was a major problem... IMO
-- Darron Lee wasn't going to hide from it. Not at all. He knew he messed up, and was ready to take the blame head-on.
In the first half of the Jets' 23-17 victory over the 49ers on Sunday, San Francisco running back Carlos Hyde ran for 141 yards. On just seven carries. Near every time he touched the ball, he broke some form of a long run.
Why ? According to Lee, it was because of Lee.
"I let my teammates down in the first half," Lee, who finished with five tackles, told NJ Advance Media. "I have to take ownership of it. It was terrible. Arguably the worst half of football I've played in my life."
Harsh? Sure. Accurate? Pretty much.
It was a tale of two halves on Sunday, and the first is one Lee, along with the rest of the Jets' defense, likely wants to forget. The 49ers totaled 279 yards of offense and 14 first downs. The majority of it came by simply handing the ball off to Hyde.The back averaged 20.14 yards per carry. He had runs of 47, 20, 43 and 18 yards ... in the first two quarters. The Niners marched up and down the field to build a 17-3 halftime lead. They could have scored more points had it not been for two missed field goals.
The maddening part ? Lee says his mistakes came on the simplest of tasks.
"It was just the basic football stuff," Lee said. "The whole learning curve. That was just not good. Not good at all. I'm not happy. I'm happy we were able to bounce back, but that's all."
Bounce back is a bit of an understatement. The 49ers gained just 85 yards, three first downs, and were outscored, 17-0 in the second half. The most notable stat? Hyde ran for only 52 yards on 10 carries.
Lee said fellow linebacker David Harris came up to him at halftime to "rally" him. It worked quite well."It was lights out," Lee said. "Everybody was locked in That's how it's supposed to be. Regardless of record. It's the NFL. That was a great, hard-fought team win to be able to come back from being down.
"We fight. We keep fighting every single game. We finally played together when we fell behind. It was great."
> http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/20...or_carlos_hyde_monste.html#incart_river_index
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Because we have the easier schedule than the Rams, we slipped to 6th. Although we will go back to 5th after Thursday if the beat the Seahawks, which they already did once this season.
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I wouldn't say Lee and the defense were exactly "locked in" in the 2nd half? They still allowed Hyde 52 yards on just 10 carries. By any standard, that's a terrible half of defensive football. Were they improved? Yes, but certainly not "locked in".
The point is Darron Lee is not cut out to play inside. He's simply too small to take on a lead guard. In fact, they said those very words on SNY. Westhoff said (and I a agree), Lee is a specific player for the role of OLB in a 4-3. He's too small to be effectve in a 3-4. He's also limited to a part time role because the Jets play a 3-4 hybrid.
This is why the pick has never made any sense to me? Jets fans think it's a good use of all of the equity in the 20th overall pick to select essentially a part time player?? If the Jets had selected him in the 4th or 5th round I would have said good pick. Not so when you use a 1st rounder and in turn waste all of the equity in the pick?
And really what grieves me the most was Mac should have selected an OL because that was necessity. Picking a part time player and an experimental QB does not help this team at all in 2016. That is probably the biggest reason why we are 4-9 today.
The point is Darron Lee is not cut out to play inside. He's simply too small to take on a lead guard. In fact, they said those very words on SNY. Westhoff said (and I a agree), Lee is a specific player for the role of OLB in a 4-3. He's too small to be effectve in a 3-4. He's also limited to a part time role because the Jets play a 3-4 hybrid.
This is why the pick has never made any sense to me? Jets fans think it's a good use of all of the equity in the 20th overall pick to select essentially a part time player?? If the Jets had selected him in the 4th or 5th round I would have said good pick. Not so when you use a 1st rounder and in turn waste all of the equity in the pick?
And really what grieves me the most was Mac should have selected an OL because that was necessity. Picking a part time player and an experimental QB does not help this team at all in 2016. That is probably the biggest reason why we are 4-9 today.
Well, you'll probably get your wish in next year's draft. Mangold might retire, Clady will be cut, and Breno could be let go as well. Brian Winters is a FA, and who knows how that'll go. Some team might overpay him, and he won't even look back exiting that door from Florham Park.
This draft has some good OT prospects rated as first rounders. Cam Robinson from Alabama and Mike McGlinchey from Notre Dame might be worth a look if we trade down out of the top ten. The Jets could then go offensive line again with additional picks. Shore up that o-line like the Cowboys have done. Give Petty and/or Hackenberg a chance to really develop the right way.
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Of course. If Mac does not utilize FA and the draft, 2017 will be at least as bad, probably worse. It's also a year late. He should have done exactly what we're talking about now last year.
Make no mistake about it. It isn't just Bowles that is at fault for this season. Mac was incredibly irresponsible in the draft. He played his role in this shit show.
Now I agree with most, he should not be fired, but he needs to know he'd better shape up and start being much more responsible with draft picks. It's almost like he has no sense of the bigger picture??
let's not leave out woody..
the HC not reporting to the GM is ass backwards..
why have both bowles & maccagnan report only to you, after essentially conceding you're not a "football guy" by hiring casserly & wolf as consultants, to help hire both of them??
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Yeah, I hadn't thought about that, but you're right. Woody definitely has played a role in the disfunction within the front office. I hope Bowles gets shitcanned and Mac is allowed autonomy selecting the next HC.
Totally agree about Woody and the structure he set up. I made this point in the "Woody is the problem" thread. Also, it is ass backwards to select the coach *before* you hire the GM. Check out the chronology of the hirings. It has been mentioned several times by the beat writers and football columnists in this past week.
i will check that out.. i admit i'm a bit fuzzy on what was the hiring process was.. i thought i remembered casserly & wolf's candidate was bowles & maccagnan signed off on it after interviewing bowles.. any links would be appreciated..
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Team is happy for Petty. Seems like they genuinely like him. From Mo running onto the field and celebrating with Petty after Powell's td run, to this. Maybe the locker room isn't lost and they just suck. I'm excited to see more development in the next few games.
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i would guess you're not surprised E..
the kid seems to "get it" & carries himself like his job title demands.. a young NFL QB ready to take the next step..
if petty doesn't become "our guy," i feel very comfortable saying it won't be from lack of trying..
Petty has the "IT" factor in my opinion. He just needs the time to develop. I don't know if he can be the next Brady, but maybe he will. I hated winning the game yesterday, but I like that the guys rallied around Petty. I will take 3 more wins if he continues to improve and brings the team together for next year.
You have it right. Manish Mehta had a column about this a few days ago in The News, as did Gary Meyers. Brian Costello or Mark Cannizzaro likewise in the Post. There's a big difference between *selecting* a candidate and signing off on him. The whole thing was that the two finalists were T.B. and Dan Quinn, but Quinn was not available yet because the Seahawks were still in the playoffs. Woody was afraid that if he waited, he might lose out on both, so he chose the "bird in hand."
last year everyone would have said that Quinn was an awful pick. What a difference a year makes.
one coach ascending, the other, well you get it.....