"NFL Draft 2015 - Everything Draft Related (Trades, Picks, Team/Pick Breakdown, etc)"

[jets82]

nope. that's the entire game...

If that was the entire game then it was a short one and the QB didnt throw to anyone else, lol. Really how many targets did White get that game as opposed to anyone else. Seems like White was the only true target for the team.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

It just seems arbitrary, like applying hair color or astrological sign to performance.

Players have zero control over who the Downtown Athletic Club awards. A player isn't suddenly a better NFL-ready QB because they finished second in the voting instead of first. Honestly, the argument makes virtually no sense.

If it was a situation where no QB who ever was a finalist for the Heisman ever panned out, then maybe there's something there. But some elite QBs have finished second. If Peyton Manning had gotten a couple hundred more votes in 1997, would he have been an NFL bust because of it?

I think it makes considerably more sense than hair color. Some teams pick based on factors that have nothing to do with football, such as the Bucs who said their #1 pick this year would be based partially on "community relations." And do you doubt an owner like Woody would not put undue influence to pick a Heisman winner, for nothing more than business reasons? And then there's the possibility that winning the Heisman may affect the player's self-evaluation, where possibly he does not think he needs to work so hard to learn the pro game.

All of these are reasonable explanations of a real effect, and are light years beyond any explanation like hair color.

 

[hobson54]

i'm not sure where the bucs said they may base the #1 pick on "community relations", but assuming this is correct, wouldn't you think that had more to do with taking the local kid who played at FSU then just drafting a heisman trophy winner because he won the heisman?

 

[Jet Fan RI]

i'm not sure where the bucs said they may base the [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] pick on "community relations", but assuming this is correct, wouldn't you think that had more to do with taking the local kid who played at FSU then just drafting a heisman trophy winner because he won the heisman?

I don't recall where I saw that quote, but in addition to the "community relations" comment the piece pointed out that the owner had said he would make the final decision. I think there was also a comment about one Heisman QB or the other, so perhaps one of them has some sort of connection to Tampa. Not a good reason to spend a #1 pick on somebody.

 

[SackExchange]

I think it makes considerably more sense than hair color. Some teams pick based on factors that have nothing to do with football, such as the Bucs who said their #1 pick this year would be based partially on "community relations." And do you doubt an owner like Woody would not put undue influence to pick a Heisman winner, for nothing more than business reasons? And then there's the possibility that winning the Heisman may affect the player's self-evaluation, where possibly he does not think he needs to work so hard to learn the pro game.

All of these are reasonable explanations of a real effect, and are light years beyond any explanation like hair color.

So Heisman runners-up are fine. Lose by one vote, you're fine.

Winning by one vote? Hands off.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

So Heisman runners-up are fine. Lose by one vote, you're fine.

Winning by one vote? Hands off.

So guys who actually win are affected by the win, guys who lose may have renewed inspiration to work harder. No one can say how Manning might have performed if he actually won it, so we're back to the "if pigs had wings" argument.

 

[SackExchange]

So guys who actually win are affected by the win, guys who lose may have renewed inspiration to work harder. No one can say how Manning might have performed if he actually won it, so we're back to the "if pigs had wings" argument.

Wow. I don't even know how to respond to that mindset.

 

[NCgreen12]

Hobson, I understand that its not a critical mistake, but this is the time to shut-up, you don't go talking to the media about your needs and wants the day before the draft.

I've come to the conclusion that our owner is a blabber-mouth.

Thanks GJ&H. Must have seen that bit a thousand times in my youth and it still makes me laugh with tears today.

You wonder how a guy that is so successful in business (granted he didn't start it) hasn't learned what not to say. Perhaps we should give him the benefit of the doubt and he's just making general statements that doesn't affect anyone's thinking.

 

[cysporsche]

Are we over reacting towards Woody ? He does own the team right ? Free speech unless it involves the Patriots ? We have owners snorting Coke in Indy, or owners in Dallas that are the GM and never shuts up ! My point is, Woody could be worse, plus did I say he owns the team ?

Go Jets...Cyborg

 

[Football51]

Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL · 6h6 hours ago

Draft shaping up to have Mariota fall. Could fall right into teens. Most teams don't have him in their top 15-20.



Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL · 5h5 hours ago

Media and fan fascination with Mariota astounds me. Why so sold on a guy who is basically Alex Smith as a prospect when all said and done?




Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL · 3h3 hours ago

As far as I know, only the Chargers, Eagles and Rams were still sniffing around Mariota. Some reporting Browns, had not heard that.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL · 6h6 hours ago

Draft shaping up to have Mariota fall. Could fall right into teens. Most teams don't have him in their top 15-20.



Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL · 5h5 hours ago

Media and fan fascination with Mariota astounds me. Why so sold on a guy who is basically Alex Smith as a prospect when all said and done?




Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL · 3h3 hours ago

As far as I know, only the Chargers, Eagles and Rams were still sniffing around Mariota. Some reporting Browns, had not heard that.

Right. Maybe some teams are figuring this out, finally. I was watching some cuts of Mariota and Winston completing passes and throwing TD's. Huge gaps between the receiver and nearest defender, with zero pressure on the QB. These clips gave almost zero indication that either guy could handle NFL play, where the coverage is almost always tighter and the QB pressure much faster and stronger.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Thanks GJ&H. Must have seen that bit a thousand times in my youth and it still makes me laugh with tears today.

If there's anything I hate its a nosey blabbermouth

 

[Mainejet]

This report is a complete crock of sh*t. I'm sorry, but there's no way the Jets would simply select someone else at the number 6 pick. If Mariota slips to 6, there will be a NUMBER of teams wanting to trade up to 6 and select Mariota. The article makes it sound like they would select someone else and leave Mariota to be taken at 7. If Maccagnan did something that stupid he should have his nuts cut off and be fired at once.

 

[Seaver41]

I guess it's a matter of semantics then, because I don't consider Carson Parmer a bust. Nor do I believe Cam Newton is a bust. I don't consider them franchise qb's(Elway, Favre, Marino, etc), but you can certainly win with them just like the Ravens won with a qb the caliber of Flacco.

I find Flacco to be a superior QB to both Newton and Palmer. Tough to judge Palmer though as he was compromised by that foot injury years ago v Steelers in playoffs. I still like Flacco over both.

 

[Seaver41]

Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL · 6h6 hours ago

Draft shaping up to have Mariota fall. Could fall right into teens. Most teams don't have him in their top 15-20.



Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL · 5h5 hours ago

Media and fan fascination with Mariota astounds me. Why so sold on a guy who is basically Alex Smith as a prospect when all said and done?




Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL · 3h3 hours ago

As far as I know, only the Chargers, Eagles and Rams were still sniffing around Mariota. Some reporting Browns, had not heard that.

not sure why so many were blinded from seeing it this way before............as I've said in past months, there is no definitive opinion on Mariota's ability to play in the NFL because he hasn't provided any evidence - good or bad. He is a complete mystery that makes spending a top 10 pick on a ridiculous risk. He's never been in a pro offense. He hasn't seen pro-sized windows.

My biggest criticism of him and ANY spread style QB is what will they do in that exact moment when the ball is snapped and he looks for his Wrs.......what will his brain interpret what the eyes are feeding it........will he see the receiver open in NFL sized windows or will his brain tell him to pull it down and run. I'm not sold on guys like that because of the propensity to flee the pocket and pass up large chunks of real estate via the air. When you see a QB run on 3rd and 8 and come up 3 yards short.....that's the problem I see with spread QBs. Unless you're built like Cam Newton, it's silly to expose your QB to the punishment of running the ball. Chip Kelly will be an interesting experiment if he gets Mariota.

I'm still hoping the Jets invest in someone later in draft to develop.

 

[NickSINYC]

I have never been real high on Woody and have made my feeling known when I thought he made a mistake. In this instance I will give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he is spreading misinformation. Hopefully we will know after the draft if he helped or hindered the team

 

[Superman55]

Well, tomorrow we find out if he was tell I ng the truth or b if it was misdirection. I agree with Hobson though. I have us taking Locket in my mock draft contest in Rd 3...wouldn't that help geno? Will be interesting for sure

 

[Seaver41]

I myself have been on Cooper as the choice to make since season ended......but in that same breath I don't see him at #6 because the Raiders are more desperate for a WR to help Carr. That said, the Raiders have been bamboozled by combine WRs before and White may do the same with his showing of speed. The rip on him I hear is he never ran a pro type route in college. Not sure that is possible, but scheme may have dictated it. Anyways, if no Cooper, then I'm trading down. White I fear would be a bad pick.

 

[Seaver41]

Well, tomorrow we find out if he was tell I ng the truth or b if it was misdirection. I agree with Hobson though. I have us taking Locket in my mock draft contest in Rd 3...wouldn't that help geno? Will be interesting for sure

you still think Geno will be the QB? To me this is just like Pennington vs Clemens. I see Fitzpatrick winning over the coaches and team in camp with his head.....something a defensive minded coach falls under the spell of quickly.

 

[SackExchange]

Here's my thing about Mariota, compared to Winston. Winston's potential problems are out there. We know them. Whether it's the potential character issues or an arm that, honestly, I hated when I watched him (not that I'm any way comparable to a legitimate NFL scout), we know he has warts.

Mariota's potential problems are only potential. The biggest knock is that he played in a system that did not require him to make reads and progressions. I agree with that. But that doesn't mean he can't. It's an unknown. Winston's negatives are known, and Mariota's are only question marks.

That's why I like Mariota over Winston, and don't buy into some of the negatives around him.