Official RD 1 Draft Board and Discussion Thread

[AFA2017]

Lee is fast and he can cover. I see him more of as a Strong Safety. I don't dislike the pick. I just dont see him as an ILB. The Jets were on the clock for 8 minutes before picking, so I would assume they were fielding calls for someone to move up. If Lee was the one they really wanted why did it take so long to make the pick?

 

[Bronx]

Knock it off

He's listed at 232, 30 lbs more than Pryor, 2 lbs more than Lattimore and only 12 lbs less than Henderson. He still has room to grow and is more athletic than all those guys. The kid can play. He will be what we all envisioned Davis to be: a side line to side line LB who can cover and get TFL's. Lee is not shy about contact.

This d has been getting carved up with underneath and medium routes for years. I've seen YOU bitch about that. They needed this kind of player and you know it.

The way the board fell, I would have preferred Treadwell, but you simply cannot knock the decision at all. Week one he makes this team harder to throw against.

I don't know if I would've taken another Ohio State linebacker, but I also don't think he will play at this weight. People have to understand that he is under the average draft age and can still grow more of an NFL body. I wouldn't expect early returns with this pick

 

[SackExchange]

He's not a 3-4 edge rusher, sack, he had 4.5 sacks this year, which is about right for what he is, which is a 4-3 OLB, not a 3-4 edge rusher ... and we plan on playing him inside, so don't look for anything even approaching double digit sacks. This is not the answer to that problem. We still need an elite edge rusher. That need was not addressed with this pick. We didn't get that player here. We got a 4-3 WILL who we plan on playing inside in the 3-4.

If he is utilized primarily as a 3-4 ILB, then he is clearly undersized. That said, I put more trust in Bowles than I do in either you or me to decide what the best fit for him is.

 

[DonMaynard]

I love this pick. I don't get how people can question the role this kid can play. A LB with sub 4.5 speed who can actually cover and tackle TE's and Running backs out of the backfield and people are complaining. I'd heard the Jets were high on Lee before the draft, but I never thought we had a chance to land him. Last year , both of our ILB's had a role to play. Harris did his very well. Demario Davis...not so much. I see a tandem of Harris and Lee a good combination.

 

[SackExchange]

Not every teams board is the same, you grade players based on how they fit into your scheme, particularly front seven players on defense. If you run a base 3-4, you are looking for more size in the front seven than a team that runs a 4-3.

Your DE's need to be 300 Pounders and your NT needs to be 320+, and your OLB's need to be 6' 4"/260+ or thereabouts, and your ILB need to be big and strong enough to deal with OG's.

As I said repeatedly in this thread, if we were a base 4-3 team this would be a terrific pick. You plug this kid in at the WILL in the 4-3 and you have an All-Pro caliber linebacker prospect, so he definitely carries a TOP 15-20 Grade if you run a 4-3, but if you run a base 3-4 his value decreases significantly, he's too small, and the idea of moving him inside in the 3-4 makes him a project on top of it. We drafted an undersized 4-3 WILL to play 3-4 ILB.

True, but the best coaches base their scheme around their personnel, not their personnel around their scheme.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Not every teams board is the same, you grade players based on how they fit into your scheme, particularly front seven players on defense. If you run a base 3-4, you are looking for more size in the front seven than a team that runs a 4-3.

Your DE's need to be 300 Pounders and your NT needs to be 320+, and your OLB's need to be 6' 4"/260+ or thereabouts, and your ILB need to be big and strong enough to deal with OG's.

As I said repeatedly in this thread, if we were a base 4-3 team this would be a terrific pick. You plug this kid in at the WILL in the 4-3 and you have an All-Pro caliber linebacker prospect, so he definitely carries a TOP 15-20 Grade if you run a 4-3, but if you run a base 3-4 his value decreases significantly, he's too small, and the idea of moving him inside in the 3-4 makes him a project on top of it. We drafted an undersized 4-3 WILL to play 3-4 ILB.

When you read Bowles' comments, you see that he has a specific plan for Lee, similar to Buchanan's role in AZ. A safety/LB tweener with blazing speed, sideline to sideline skills, who plays the "Mo" spot. The Jets needed SPEED at LB... And they just got the fastest one!

 

[Elias]

When you read Bowles' comments, you see that he has a specific plan for Lee, similar to Buchanan's role in AZ. A safety/LB tweener with blazing speed, sideline to sideline skills, who plays the "Mo" spot. The Jets needed SPEED at LB... And they just got the fastest one!

Correct, and if you recall, at the end of the year press conference, Bowles made it clear that we need to get SPEED and that is what we did.

 

[flgreen]

he was #13 on mcshay's final big board and #15 on kiper's. we picked him #20. how is that a reach?

And 15 on Rob Range's who IMO is the best of the big board guys. Macc went BAP, as he promised. Lee is not an edge rusher. but a 3 down player who should prosper in a 3-4 with the big guys taking heat off him on the inside run. He'll run side line to side line. and hopefully take away the mid pass, and wheel route that has been killing the Jets.

Lynch will most likely turn out to be a stiff and I think Denver blinked when they traded up for him.

Two things bother me a bit about the pick.

1) Both Denver, and Dallas wanted to trade up for Lynch. I would have moved

2) Jack was still on the board. I know he's hurt, but his upside is through the roof. Of course I haven't seen his medical report so I'm sure that is the reason he was even there at 20.

All things considered I'll give it a B+. Probably a BAP selection, surly not need with Henderson on the roster. (Jack was most likely taken off the first round consideration for health reasons)

I'm OK with it, as long as Lynch or Jack don't turn into super stars

 

[flgreen]

If we don't take a QB in the second then it was all a good bluff by Mac. Petty is his guy.

I think Petty is his guy, but I also think it possible they take Hackenberg.

 

[butterscotch]

This season has officially gone to sh*t. Reports say Fitz would rather retire from football than accept the Jets offer and Mac just picked a part time player. We'll be lucky to win 6 games this season.

Hey give it time remember what lee said in the 186o's "The jets shall rise again"

Fitz or no Fitz life goes on. Hey if we are that good this year it could be Geno/Sanchez in the championship game

 

[butterscotch]

True, but back then, did they even have microfracture surgery?

or Viagra

 

[hobson54]

Hate to once again be a negative nancy, but we just got the 5th best player on his own team. Hard to be excited about that.

We passed on the best receiver in the draft (Treadwell) for the 5th player off the board from his own team. <sigh>

i guess the pats screwed up in 2004 when they took the "6th best" player from miami in the draft. after sean taylor, kellen winslow jr, jonathan vilma, dj williams and vernon carey were all drafted in the 1st, the pats must have "reached" for vince wilfork

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

or Viagra

...... lol

 

[Bronx]

These WRs wouldn't have sniffed the first round two years ago.

 

[Pointdexter]

i guess the pats screwed up in 2004 when they took the "6th best" player from miami in the draft. after sean taylor, kellen winslow jr, jonathan vilma, dj williams and vernon carey were all drafted in the 1st, the pats must have "reached" for vince wilfork

Just not high on the pick, Hobson. Would love to be doing cartwheels today, and I definitely don't choose to be disappointed. Ohio State should have been a runaway national champion this past year with the kind of talent they are being credited with in this draft. As it stood, they didn't even make the playoffs. 5 out of the top 20?? Are you kidding me?? I would bet my bottom dollar that we're going to see more busts than booms with the 1st round buckeyes.

Regarding Lee specifically, nothing that hasn't been said before, but this is a 220 pound LB'er who bulked up for the combine. Once the season starts, he will shrink to his playing weight, not bulk up as some are hoping. He may be a good player but, at his size, he is a huge gamble. Not the "safe pick" that some are making it out to be. If we're going to roll the dice, let's roll it on a franchise QB. Lynch is just as much of a gamble but the payoff would have been HUGE if he worked out....15 years of franchise QB huge. Lee's ceiling is a versatile 3 down backer with plus cover skills.

My honest guess though?? He gets killed at the POA and teams run down it his throat on 1st and 2nd down, forcing his relegation to a 3rd down backer. He can cover backs out of the backfield and he has the speed and explosion to get into the backfield and cause disruption and turnovers. He will get overpowered by players like Gronk however, so I don't see him effective matched up on the TE.

 

[SackExchange]

These WRs wouldn't have sniffed the first round two years ago.

True. But conversely, there are other strong positions. There will be DTs taken in the 3rd and 4th who would have been early 2nd's in other years.

 

[SackExchange]

Just not high on the pick, Hobson. Would love to be doing cartwheels today, and I definitely don't choose to be disappointed. Ohio State should have been a runaway national champion this past year with the kind of talent they are being credited with in this draft. As it stood, they didn't even make the playoffs. 5 out of the top 20?? Are you kidding me?? I would bet my bottom dollar that we're going to see more busts than booms with the 1st round buckeyes.

Regarding Lee specifically, nothing that hasn't been said before, but this is a 220 pound LB'er who bulked up for the combine. Once the season starts, he will shrink to his playing weight, not bulk up as some are hoping. He may be a good player but, at his size, he is a huge gamble. Not the "safe pick" that some are making it out to be. If we're going to roll the dice, let's roll it on a franchise QB. Lynch is just as much of a gamble but the payoff would have been HUGE if he worked out....15 years of franchise QB huge. Lee's ceiling is a versatile 3 down backer with plus cover skills.

My honest guess though?? He gets killed at the POA and teams run down it his throat on 1st and 2nd down, forcing his relegation to a 3rd down backer. He can cover backs out of the backfield and he has the speed and explosion to get into the backfield and cause disruption and turnovers. He will get overpowered by players like Gronk however, so I don't see him effective matched up on the TE.

I would agree, if he was playing in a vacuum. But he's not. The Jets have a ton of size and skill on the DL, and tremendous run stopping ability. That will free him up, and prevent teams from running it down his throat.

I agree that this pick helps the pass defense a lot more, but we have to also remember how good the run defense is up front.

 

[hobson54]

Just not high on the pick, Hobson. Would love to be doing cartwheels today, and I definitely don't choose to be disappointed. Ohio State should have been a runaway national champion this past year with the kind of talent they are being credited with in this draft. As it stood, they didn't even make the playoffs. 5 out of the top 20?? Are you kidding me?? I would bet my bottom dollar that we're going to see more busts than booms with the 1st round buckeyes.

Regarding Lee specifically, nothing that hasn't been said before, but this is a 220 pound LB'er who bulked up for the combine. Once the season starts, he will shrink to his playing weight, not bulk up as some are hoping. He may be a good player but, at his size, he is a huge gamble. Not the "safe pick" that some are making it out to be. If we're going to roll the dice, let's roll it on a franchise QB. Lynch is just as much of a gamble but the payoff would have been HUGE if he worked out....15 years of franchise QB huge. Lee's ceiling is a versatile 3 down backer with plus cover skills.

My honest guess though?? He gets killed at the POA and teams run down it his throat on 1st and 2nd down, forcing his relegation to a 3rd down backer. He can cover backs out of the backfield and he has the speed and explosion to get into the backfield and cause disruption and turnovers. He will get overpowered by players like Gronk however, so I don't see him effective matched up on the TE.

i respect your opinion, especially on draft prospects. which is why i was surprised by what i saw as flawed analysis based solely on the fact that he was the 5th player on his team taken. fwiw, on most draft boards (at least those produced by the sports industry), he was the 3rd ranked buckeye behindf boas and elliott. not that these means all too much.

if you questioned the pick based on not liking the player on his own merits, or not seeing the scheme fit, that is certainly reasonable, especially from a well informed poster who knows the college game. i was just surprised to see you use such a meaningless facet to seemingly base your post on.

personally, i didn't like lynch, so i'm not upset we passed on him. i think lee is a very solid player and adds much needed speed to the LB corps, but i too have some concerns on his (relative) size.

 

[Bronx]

Pauline said he was the best player on the Ohio State defense last year. That gives me hope


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[TebowCan'tThrow]

Pauline said he was the best player on the Ohio State defense last year. That gives me hope


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I've heard that multiple times including my OSU friend. Said he plays like a missile out there.