Officials did not record inflation of balls before AFC champ game

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An article in today's Providence Journal says that the vice president of officiating has stated that the pressure level of the footballs used in the AFC champ game was not recorded when they were examined before the game. If this is true, it is difficult to see how the Pats can be found guilty of deflating balls. But WTF, what about the report that said the league was tipped off about intentional deflation and so were intending to test the balls at halftime even if the Colts had not pointed out the balls were under inflated? What good could it possibly do to measure the balls at the half if you don't measure them before the game. This is very troubling news.

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LOL

Unreal.

Agree

If, unbelievably the refs didn't record the psi before the game, with a complaint on the table, it's over, no case. If this goes down this way what a sham. IMO the NFL joins WWE.
 

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LOL

Unreal.

Agree

If, unbelievably the refs didn't record the psi before the game, with a complaint on the table, it's over, no case. If this goes down this way what a sham. IMO the NFL joins WWE.

In rereading what the vice president of officials said, there may be a ray of light, even if only a small one. He said they did not record the pressure of "each specific ball." OK. Maybe that means they did not make a data table with each ball's pressure individually recorded. However, that means there is still the possibility that they did use a gauge on every ball, noting all the Pats' balls were around 12.5 psi. Even without a data table, the officials can be interviewed by investigators and report their recollection of what the gauge showed. Let's hope they did in fact gauge them though. Otherwise, yes, WWE stuff, indeed. What a travesty.
 
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Dean Blandino: Colts, NFL did not conduct sting in Deflategate





Dean Blandino, the NFL’s head of officiating, said although the officials properly tested the footballs in the AFC Championship, those tests were not logged.

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Dean Blandino, the NFL’s head of officiating, said although the officials properly tested the footballs in the AFC Championship, those tests were not logged.

By Ben VolinGlobe Staff January 30, 2015


PHOENIX — Dean Blandino, the NFL’s head of officiating, finally spoke publicly on Thursday for the first time since the Patriots’ “Deflategate” incident broke two weeks ago.

And while he was hamstrung because of the NFL’s investigation led by attorney Ted Wells, Blandino stated that the officials did everything properly before the AFC Championship game, that the Colts had footballs tested at halftime along with the Patriots, that the NFL will discuss logging the results of each ball test in the future, and, to his knowledge, this was not a “sting” operation by the Colts and the NFL.





“The issue came up during the first half, as far as I know,” Blandino said at a news conference. “There was an issue that was brought up during the first half, a football came into question, and then the decision was made to test them at halftime. There’s an investigation going on, can’t really get into specifics.”

Blandino said that referee Walt Anderson did everything properly in regard to testing the footballs before the game on Jan. 18. Each team provided 24 footballs to Anderson 2 hours and 15 minutes before the game, and Anderson personally tested each one and marked them approved for use, Blandino said.

“From everything that we reviewed and all the information that we have, the balls were properly tested and marked prior to the game,” Blandino said. “We’ve done our part, in terms of looking at what Walt Anderson and the crew did and how things were handled, and they were handled properly from that perspective. Everything that comes out of that will be made public.”











However, Blandino confirmed the results of each ball test were not “logged,” and the NFL is essentially forced to take Anderson at his word. The NFL’s competition committee will discuss at the owners meetings in March whether the officials should log the results of each ball test, or if video should be used in the testing process.

“Everything’s on the table,” Blandino said. “With the amount of attention this has gotten, the committee is going to review it, and we’ll see.”

Blandino also confirmed that both teams had footballs tested at halftime, but he could not divulge anything else because of the ongoing investigation. He confirmed that the two-minute delay after halftime was because of the deflated ball issue.

“It was related to the testing that took place at halftime,” he said. “They wanted to make sure they had a right ball, a New England ball, and they wanted to make sure it was properly inflated. At the beginning of the second half, I believe that there was a kicking ball on the ground, and they wanted to make sure they got a Patriot football into the game.”

Some reports suggested the Colts became aware of a deflation problem in their Nov. 16 matchup against the Patriots, and warned the NFL ahead of time to catch the Patriots in the act in the AFC Championship.

Blandino said that simply isn’t true.

“I was not personally aware of any issue after that [Nov. 16] game,” Blandino said. “I don’t know where that came from.”

The “logging” issue is not the only one that will be discussed at the owners meetings. The entire ball custody process will be discussed and open for review.

Each team provides the officials with the game balls 2 hours and 15 minutes prior to the game, and the footballs remain in the officials’ locker room until 10 minutes prior to kickoff. The balls need to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch, and they are inflated with an electric pump to meet the minimum requirements, Blandino said.

Blandino also said the competition committee will discuss whether 12.5 pounds per square inch is the appropriate inflation level. Wilson, the football manufacturer, recommended the 12.5 pound threshold.

“I feel like we will review that with Wilson and the competition committee — do we need to have a range, and what should that acceptable range should be?” Blandino said. “I think there are a lot of things that are on the table. We’ll do an expansive review of all the processes.”

Bill Vinovich, the referee for Sunday’s Super Bowl who also worked the Patriots-Ravens playoff game, said that during the course of a game on a cold night, it would be tough for an official to determine if a football was slightly underinflated.

“You really couldn’t tell the difference unless you actually sat there and tried to squeeze the thing,” Vinovich said. “If somebody just tossed me the ball, especially in 20-degree weather, you’re going to pretty much play with the ball. They’re going to be hard, so you’re not going to notice the difference.”

Blandino also discussed the protocol for game balls on Super Bowl Sunday. The NFL will use 108 footballs – 54 per each team, up from the usual 12 or 24 – because the NFL constantly rotates new footballs into the game, then later auctions them off for charity.

The Patriots and Seahawks are free to practice with the footballs this week, but the NFL takes possession of the footballs on Friday. The Chicago Bears’ equipment staff, chosen to work the Super Bowl, is in charge of delivering the footballs to the officials three hours prior to kickoff.

“There will be some added security, just because of the environment that we’re in for this game,” Blandino said, “but there’s no change in protocol for the Super Bowl.”

Blandino confirmed that Nate Solder’s touchdown in the AFC Championship should not have been allowed, and instead the Patriots should have been penalized for illegal substitution.The confusion arose from the Patriots’ use of ineligible and eligible receivers. Offensive tackle Cameron Fleming reported as an eligible receiver on the play before Solder’s touchdown, but returned to an ineligible lineman on the next play. NFL rules state that Fleming can only switch from eligible to ineligible, or vice versa, if he sits out for one play or if there is a stoppage in the game.

But there was no stoppage, Fleming didn’t sit out a play, and the play should have resulted in a 5-yard penalty for the Patriots, not a touchdown.

“We’re going to be obviously looking for that, make sure we follow the proper mechanics to make sure that doesn’t happen again,” Blandino said.
 

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Dean Blandino: Colts, NFL did not conduct sting in Deflategate





Dean Blandino, the NFL’s head of officiating, said although the officials properly tested the footballs in the AFC Championship, those tests were not logged.

Rob Carr/Getty Images

Dean Blandino, the NFL’s head of officiating, said although the officials properly tested the footballs in the AFC Championship, those tests were not logged.

By Ben VolinGlobe Staff January 30, 2015


PHOENIX — Dean Blandino, the NFL’s head of officiating, finally spoke publicly on Thursday for the first time since the Patriots’ “Deflategate” incident broke two weeks ago.

And while he was hamstrung because of the NFL’s investigation led by attorney Ted Wells, Blandino stated that the officials did everything properly before the AFC Championship game, that the Colts had footballs tested at halftime along with the Patriots, that the NFL will discuss logging the results of each ball test in the future, and, to his knowledge, this was not a “sting” operation by the Colts and the NFL.





“The issue came up during the first half, as far as I know,” Blandino said at a news conference. “There was an issue that was brought up during the first half, a football came into question, and then the decision was made to test them at halftime. There’s an investigation going on, can’t really get into specifics.”

Blandino said that referee Walt Anderson did everything properly in regard to testing the footballs before the game on Jan. 18. Each team provided 24 footballs to Anderson 2 hours and 15 minutes before the game, and Anderson personally tested each one and marked them approved for use, Blandino said.

“From everything that we reviewed and all the information that we have, the balls were properly tested and marked prior to the game,” Blandino said. “We’ve done our part, in terms of looking at what Walt Anderson and the crew did and how things were handled, and they were handled properly from that perspective. Everything that comes out of that will be made public.”











However, Blandino confirmed the results of each ball test were not “logged,” and the NFL is essentially forced to take Anderson at his word. The NFL’s competition committee will discuss at the owners meetings in March whether the officials should log the results of each ball test, or if video should be used in the testing process.

“Everything’s on the table,” Blandino said. “With the amount of attention this has gotten, the committee is going to review it, and we’ll see.”

Blandino also confirmed that both teams had footballs tested at halftime, but he could not divulge anything else because of the ongoing investigation. He confirmed that the two-minute delay after halftime was because of the deflated ball issue.

“It was related to the testing that took place at halftime,” he said. “They wanted to make sure they had a right ball, a New England ball, and they wanted to make sure it was properly inflated. At the beginning of the second half, I believe that there was a kicking ball on the ground, and they wanted to make sure they got a Patriot football into the game.”

Some reports suggested the Colts became aware of a deflation problem in their Nov. 16 matchup against the Patriots, and warned the NFL ahead of time to catch the Patriots in the act in the AFC Championship.

Blandino said that simply isn’t true.

“I was not personally aware of any issue after that [Nov. 16] game,” Blandino said. “I don’t know where that came from.”

The “logging” issue is not the only one that will be discussed at the owners meetings. The entire ball custody process will be discussed and open for review.

Each team provides the officials with the game balls 2 hours and 15 minutes prior to the game, and the footballs remain in the officials’ locker room until 10 minutes prior to kickoff. The balls need to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch, and they are inflated with an electric pump to meet the minimum requirements, Blandino said.

Blandino also said the competition committee will discuss whether 12.5 pounds per square inch is the appropriate inflation level. Wilson, the football manufacturer, recommended the 12.5 pound threshold.

“I feel like we will review that with Wilson and the competition committee — do we need to have a range, and what should that acceptable range should be?” Blandino said. “I think there are a lot of things that are on the table. We’ll do an expansive review of all the processes.”

Bill Vinovich, the referee for Sunday’s Super Bowl who also worked the Patriots-Ravens playoff game, said that during the course of a game on a cold night, it would be tough for an official to determine if a football was slightly underinflated.

“You really couldn’t tell the difference unless you actually sat there and tried to squeeze the thing,” Vinovich said. “If somebody just tossed me the ball, especially in 20-degree weather, you’re going to pretty much play with the ball. They’re going to be hard, so you’re not going to notice the difference.”

Blandino also discussed the protocol for game balls on Super Bowl Sunday. The NFL will use 108 footballs – 54 per each team, up from the usual 12 or 24 – because the NFL constantly rotates new footballs into the game, then later auctions them off for charity.

The Patriots and Seahawks are free to practice with the footballs this week, but the NFL takes possession of the footballs on Friday. The Chicago Bears’ equipment staff, chosen to work the Super Bowl, is in charge of delivering the footballs to the officials three hours prior to kickoff.

“There will be some added security, just because of the environment that we’re in for this game,” Blandino said, “but there’s no change in protocol for the Super Bowl.”

Blandino confirmed that Nate Solder’s touchdown in the AFC Championship should not have been allowed, and instead the Patriots should have been penalized for illegal substitution.The confusion arose from the Patriots’ use of ineligible and eligible receivers. Offensive tackle Cameron Fleming reported as an eligible receiver on the play before Solder’s touchdown, but returned to an ineligible lineman on the next play. NFL rules state that Fleming can only switch from eligible to ineligible, or vice versa, if he sits out for one play or if there is a stoppage in the game.

But there was no stoppage, Fleming didn’t sit out a play, and the play should have resulted in a 5-yard penalty for the Patriots, not a touchdown.

“We’re going to be obviously looking for that, make sure we follow the proper mechanics to make sure that doesn’t happen again,” Blandino said.

The part where I added bolding conflicts with the report that the NFL was already planning on testing the balls at the half because the league had been tipped off before the game. Blandino says in the bolding that the decision was made based on the request of the Colts during the game.
 
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The part where I added bolding conflicts with the report that the NFL was already planning on testing the balls at the half because the league had been tipped off before the game. Blandino says in the bolding that the decision was made based on the request of the Colts during the game.

There still seems to be a lot of conflicting info flying around. I guess we are going to have to wait until March or so when Wells releases his doctored report.

Looks to me that the NFL is going to try to spin their way out of this. Oh well, nobody will care by March anyway. The media will have another story to beat
 
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There is no requirement to document. The game officials took all 36 balls, the 12 from the Pats, the 12 from the Colts and the 12 alternate balls.

They tested the weight and pressure of all 36 two hours before game time and found all 36 within league standards for PSI and weight.

They marked each one and gave them to the two teams.

When retested at halftime all 12 of the Colts and the 12 alternate balls met league standards

All 12 of the Patriots balls had been significantly deflated.

Those are the facts and they are undisputed

Change....Cheating AGAIN

Verdict....GUILTY AGAIN

Penalty...more dinners with Bob and whichever 19 year old hooker he is currently "dating"
 

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There is no requirement to document. The game officials took all 36 balls, the 12 from the Pats, the 12 from the Colts and the 12 alternate balls.

They tested the weight and pressure of all 36 two hours before game time and found all 36 within league standards for PSI and weight.

They marked each one and gave them to the two teams.

When retested at halftime all 12 of the Colts and the 12 alternate balls met league standards

All 12 of the Patriots balls had been significantly deflated.

Those are the facts and they are undisputed

Change....Cheating AGAIN

Verdict....GUILTY AGAIN

Penalty...more dinners with Bob and whichever 19 year old hooker he is currently "dating"

Do you have a link to a reliable source for the bolded part? As far as what Blandino said, the officials may have just done the squeeze test before the game. I have not seen a report of officials actually gauging the balls at any time before the game.
 

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I did not see anywhere in that article where it stated the balls had been gauged. Only that they had been "properly inspected." It's entirely possible merely doing a squeeze test might be considered by the NFL as doing a proper inspection.

If there is some place in the linked article where it indicates the pressure was actually measured with a gauge, please post a quote of just that specific sentence.
 

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OK. My bad. I missed the following Blandino quote:

“My major concern is did we follow proper protocol?” Blandino said. “Everything was properly tested and marked before the game. Walt gauged the footballs himself; it is something he has done throughout his career.

I hope Blandino really meant literally that a gauge was used. I think I missed this the first time through because I interpreted "gauged" to mean "judged." As in, "I gauged the game to be fair," where no gauge is actually used.
 
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I did not see anywhere in that article where it stated the balls had been gauged. Only that they had been "properly inspected." It's entirely possible merely doing a squeeze test might be considered by the NFL as doing a proper inspection.

If there is some place in the linked article where it indicates the pressure was actually measured with a gauge, please post a quote of just that specific sentence.

Here's a video of a proper inspection of game balls. " Blandino stated that the officials did everything properly before the AFC Championship game"

So yes the psi was measured before the game

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/
 

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Here's a video of a proper inspection of game balls. " Blandino stated that the officials did everything properly before the AFC Championship game"

So yes the psi was measured before the game

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Thanks for the link to the video. And the bolded part is great news. It's just strange that the tested pressures before the game were't recorded in the case of the AFCCG, if the NFL was indeed tipped off about the deflated balls and was intending all along to test them at halftime, as was reported.
 

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Here's a video of a proper inspection of game balls. " Blandino stated that the officials did everything properly before the AFC Championship game"

So yes the psi was measured before the game

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Here's something strange copied from the page where the video is located:

The balls would be in the officials’ possession until just minutes before the start of the game, at which point they would hand to ball boys on each side of the field. For balls to be tampered with, it would most likely have to take place on the field during the game.

This conflicts with the 2 hour 15 minute time gap we now know was used to bring the balls into a restroom for 90 seconds. I wonder if this is just bad reporting, or whether procedures changed between the 2013 season (where this "behind the scenes look" was taken) and the 2014 season.
 

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Here is another relevant link from MMQB:

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/27/nfl-deflategate-investigation-patriots/

Here is a quote from that link:

As I reported Monday, the vital period of time Wells and his investigative team must look into is the period of time between when the balls are released from the officials’ custody and when they appear on the sidelines for play. I am told the average time the footballs are out of officials’ supervision or plain sight is about six to 10 minutes, depending on the crew and the game. For instance, Gene Steratore’s crew in 2013, which I witnessed, released the balls about two minutes before the national anthem, which would be about six or seven minutes before the start of the game in most stadiums.

The interesting question this quote raises is: How sure are we that the balls were brought to the field 2 hours and 15 minutes before kickoff in the AFCCG? Peter King has said a couple times the balls come out a few minutes before kickoff. One important consequence if that is true is that the balls would have had a lot less time to come to the same temperature as the outside temperature.

But an even more interesting possibility is that the guy who brought the balls to the restroom may have taken them from the officials' locker room to the restroom, then back to the officials' locker room. Then the officials may have brought the balls to the field. If so, that would probably be known from the video evidence, assuming the video is the security type with date and time shown.

If the guy did this, it seems this would be powerful evidence of tampering with the balls.

Even if all that happened is that the balls really went out onto the field just a few minutes before kickoff, it is less likely that enough natural deflation occured for even 1 psi of deflation during the first half playing time.
 
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I understand they are bringing this guy in as an expert witness on Pats cheating. After all he is the guy who started it all


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Do you have a link to a reliable source for the bolded part? As far as what Blandino said, the officials may have just done the squeeze test before the game. I have not seen a report of officials actually gauging the balls at any time before the game.

Please go back and listen to the Chris Russo interview.
 
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like i said for the balls to lose that much pressure do to the climate they would have to be far away by themselves and not near the side heater at all and they wouldn't be able to be scrubbed or rubbed down because that would cause heat and would also slow the balls from losing pressure.

For all 11 balls to lose pressure because of atmospheric conditions they would have to be untouched on the sidelines just sitting in the cold.
 
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like i said for the balls to lose that much pressure do to the climate they would have to be far away by themselves and not near the side heater at all and they wouldn't be able to be scrubbed or rubbed down because that would cause heat and would also slow the balls from losing pressure.

For all 11 balls to lose pressure because of atmospheric conditions they would have to be untouched on the sidelines just sitting in the cold.
You must have missed the replay from a secretly installed NESN camera that conclusively showed a UFO with six tiny aliens landing near the Patriot sideline and the little green creatures....."See, we said all along that the Jets were wicked involved!!!"....sneaking over to Tom's balls and using their tiny teeth to deflate each and everyone.

www.patriotsareinnocentandsoarebbandtom.com
 
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