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AGREED. Especially on the hitting the lottery part. Let me ask you Sack............
Do you think Bill Beillichick knew when he picked Tom Brady in the 6th round what he was getting?
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AGREED. Especially on the hitting the lottery part. Let me ask you Sack............
Do you think Bill Beillichick knew when he picked Tom Brady in the 6th round what he was getting?
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AGREED. Especially on the hitting the lottery part. Let me ask you Sack............
Do you think Bill Beillichick knew when he picked Tom Brady in the 6th round what he was getting?
Interesting question. I would say no, because if he knew, there is no way he would have waited until the sixth. He wouldn't have risked that many times Brady going to another team.
There is not one thing I trust with this staff or organization for that matter.
The only droped passes that i can remember were Anderson and Jenkins trying their best to try and catch the awfully thrown passes their way.
He had zero reps with the first team since pre season.
Let's see how he does with some first team practice this week. The Saints D is soft so it should give him a chance to show something. If he doesn't, or all we see are runs and short passes, we know what Morton thinks of his abilities.
First Scott Pioli drafted Brady.
And considering that Bill Belichick wanted to cut Brady, but couldn't get Jim Harbaugh to come out of retirement and couldn't sign Eric Zeier or Billy Joe Tolliver , he had to keep him .
And even after Bledsoe went down thanks to Mo Lewis , Belichick didn't believe Brady was the answer. He only kept him playing after Bledsoe was ready to return so he could trade Bledsoe for a couple of draft picks.
Based on all that, I'd be willing to bet that Belichick didn't have a clue what Brady would become.
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100% GUARANTEED he did NOT know what he was getting. He pulled that pick right out of his ASS. Or else like you said, Bellichick would have taken him in the 1st round without fail He was as lucky as any powerball winner....
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Pioli was Bellichick's puppet, so that pick had Bellichick written all over it. All the other stuff you're saying just means that even after Bellichick drafted him he still had no idea what he had.
Just another reason showing this coaching staff's inadequacies. The backup should be prepared each week like ehe will be the starter. I don't want them picking the next QB because they have screwed up theses two and might be bad picks as well. Plus they passed on Watson. Fuck me this franchise sucks!!
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That's my point. It was pure luck. They thought he was a bust but were forced to play him, now he is likely the GOAT.....
Guys, I'm not saying brady sucks or anything because obviously he doesnt but if you look at his career, from day one, he has had tremendous offensive line play. Because of this, he didn't get hit like most other young qb's when they are drafted by a crappy team. Because he never got hit , he never had to have the feeling of worry that he would be blindsided. This is what allowed him to become what he is today. HE GREW UP NEVER EXPECTING TO GET HIT. thats why you can watch him stand in the pocket for 10 seconds until someone gets open not caring what's happening around him because HE NEVER EXPECTS TO GET HIT. the few times he has ever been hit , he cries like a baby because it is unexpectd to him and it causes him to play poorly
Put any other upper tier qb on the cheatahs for the past 18 years and they would all have as many superbowls as brady. Ben rothlisburger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli has 2 against brady... even someone like carson palmer or Phillip Rivers would have a few. maybe even sanchez might have one
How many superbowl rings would Peyton Manning have have if he had been the cheatahs QB for his entire career? I'd bet his fingers would be full and they'd be making him toe rings.
Again, not saying brady sucks, just saying he is in a great situation. and i haven't even mentioned having gronkowski who is a target that would make anyone look good
look, I don't like to give credit to either belichick or brady because quite frankly, I don't like them and they are both big cheaters, but if I had to choose which cheater was responsible for all the wins, I'd have to pick belichick. He spends every waking moment studying the rulebook and searching for a way to use it , or what it doesn't say, to his advantage
Put any other upper tier qb on the cheatahs for the past 18 years and they would all have as many superbowls as brady. Ben rothlisburger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli has 2 against brady... even someone like carson palmer or Phillip Rivers would have a few. maybe even sanchez might have one
How many superbowl rings would Peyton Manning have have if he had been the cheatahs QB for his entire career? I'd bet his fingers would be full and they'd be making him toe rings.
Again, not saying brady sucks, just saying he is in a great situation. and i haven't even mentioned having gronkowski who is a target that would make anyone look good
look, I don't like to give credit to either belichick or brady because quite frankly, I don't like them and they are both big cheaters, but if I had to choose which cheater was responsible for all the wins, I'd have to pick belichick. He spends every waking moment studying the rulebook and searching for a way to use it , or what it doesn't say, to his advantage
I Agree CH. The OL is a product of Belichick & Brady but mostly Belichick I believe. If it were easy to do every team would have an OL like the Pats do. It takes a level of coaching expertise only a few have. It also takes talent and doing your homework, and our Jets get an F in homework....
I'm surprised McCown lasted this long as he did behind swiss cheese.
I'm surprised McCown lasted this long as he did behind swiss cheese.
Now, to his credit, the system perfectly matches the player. It's a lot of quick reads, accurate check downs. Not much in terms of mobility or in terms of deep throws. He doesn't need to be fast like Cam or tough like Ben. He needs to play smart in the system, and to be accurate. He does those two things very well.
But Bill definitely hit powerball with that pick. He doesn't land Tom Brady, does he last much longer in NE than he did in Cleveland?
Brady has benefitted from excellent o-line play, an offense that suits his skill set, and the rule changes which prevent DBs from covering receivers beyond 5 yards. Half of the routes in that offense are inside of 10 yards. Brady deserves credit though - he works incredibly hard by all accounts, and he knows how to play in the clutch. You can't teach that. It just is. I think Belichick lucked into Brady with that pick. But the same could be said for Kurt Warner with Dick Vermeil. If Trent Green doesn't go down, Warner never gets on the field.
Sometimes you have to be lucky...
Sack - to your point, I share your frustration. Pennington was a legit franchise QB when he was healthy. His arm was actually average before his injury. His anticipation and accuracy was off the charts, and his football IQ was superb, all of which made him such a good player. I don't know why this team can't get it right with QBs. I know I was very high on Watson, not because of his measurables, but because he knows how to win, and was a great leader on and off the field. He played his best in the biggest games. But I understand the Adams pick for sure. He'll lead this defense for years to come if he stays healthy.
My opinion is that we need to draft a QB that has the ability to lead men, and knows how to win. Some will say Mayfield has that, but I havent' seen him play against a defense that actually resembles an NFL level scheme. In his conference, it's Madden football. And his off the field stuff makes him too risky.
A few dark horses - The kid from Auburn impressed me in the Alabama game. I don't know much about him beyond that, but he played a great game and has physical skills. The kid from MIssouri impressed me a bit, and so did the QB from Northwestern. Lamar Jackson has those intangibles and leadership abilities, but I don't know if he could ever adapt to a pro system. Rosen has all the measurables and mechanics, but he could just as easily turn out to be Jay Cutler. Darnold might have the intangbiles, but he needs more time. He's not ready yet for the NFL. If he comes out he'll go high in the draft for sure based on potential, but he's far from a sure thing. I know this draft has a lot of QBs with talent, but picking the right one with the intangibles I mentioned might be hard to find.
Sometimes you have to be lucky...
Sack - to your point, I share your frustration. Pennington was a legit franchise QB when he was healthy. His arm was actually average before his injury. His anticipation and accuracy was off the charts, and his football IQ was superb, all of which made him such a good player. I don't know why this team can't get it right with QBs. I know I was very high on Watson, not because of his measurables, but because he knows how to win, and was a great leader on and off the field. He played his best in the biggest games. But I understand the Adams pick for sure. He'll lead this defense for years to come if he stays healthy.
My opinion is that we need to draft a QB that has the ability to lead men, and knows how to win. Some will say Mayfield has that, but I havent' seen him play against a defense that actually resembles an NFL level scheme. In his conference, it's Madden football. And his off the field stuff makes him too risky.
A few dark horses - The kid from Auburn impressed me in the Alabama game. I don't know much about him beyond that, but he played a great game and has physical skills. The kid from MIssouri impressed me a bit, and so did the QB from Northwestern. Lamar Jackson has those intangibles and leadership abilities, but I don't know if he could ever adapt to a pro system. Rosen has all the measurables and mechanics, but he could just as easily turn out to be Jay Cutler. Darnold might have the intangbiles, but he needs more time. He's not ready yet for the NFL. If he comes out he'll go high in the draft for sure based on potential, but he's far from a sure thing. I know this draft has a lot of QBs with talent, but picking the right one with the intangibles I mentioned might be hard to find.
There are many things about which it is fair to criticize the coaching staff, but this is not one of them. On every single team in the NFL, the starting QB gets the overwhelming majority of the reps. As far as film study, etc. goes, the backup QBs do prepare as if they will start. Both Petty and Hack have been quoted to that effect.
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He would have been fired long ago if he hadn't landed Brady. And really that's the only reason why he's stayed in NE for as long as he has. He's got Brady so he's got a shot every year. Although, I do think the fag is starting to slip? He's not going to play another 4 years, I don't think.
I doubt BB's ego could handle it if he kept coaching after Brady retired, and the team regressed. Brady would get ALL the credit for the dynasty. BB couldn't handle that.