Please God, make Woody Johnson sell the team

[biggerdan]

Nothing will change until we have a new owner, I am convinced of that. The character of a team comes from the top, and he comes across as weak and adrift. We need someone who actually built his fortune by kicking ass, not inheriting $billions of dollars.
Look around the league at the owners of successful teams: they are no-nonsense, intense, and ruthless. Kraft, Jones, the Maras, the list goes on.

If he would just give up and sell the team, what a blessing that would be...

Problem is, he paid only around $600million for the team, 17 years ago. Today, it's worth almost $3billion (which is half of his net worth). It makes money for him, in spite of it's mediocre record - because it's a NYC team with a loyal fan base. I don't think he finished college, and never went anywhere with the career handed to him at J&J. He's on the board of an investment company, but he's window dressing there - he is not purported to be any kind of financial genius.

Being a team owner gives him a high profile, he rubs elbows with 31 other unique individuals, most of whom earned their money the hard way. I wonder what the other owners actually think of him - if they think of him at all.

When I see him on tv, wearing a Jets hat, I just think he looks foolish. He's not kidding anybody, is he?

When I think about rooting for the team and being a loyal fan, I realize in effect I'm rooting for him. Which makes ME feel foolish. Here I am, having a serious interest in a feckless billionaire's shiny plaything - and they don't even win, which would at least give me some satisfaction.

Sorry to launder my psyche in public, but I'm about to walk away from it altogether. After this year, I probably will.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Nothing will change until we have a new owner, I am convinced of that. The character of a team comes from the top, and he comes across as weak and adrift. We need someone who actually built his fortune by kicking ass, not inheriting $billions of dollars.
Look around the league at the owners of successful teams: they are no-nonsense, intense, and ruthless. Kraft, Jones, the Maras, the list goes on.

If he would just give up and sell the team, what a blessing that would be...

Problem is, he paid only around $600million for the team, 17 years ago. Today, it's worth almost $3billion (which is half of his net worth). It makes money for him, in spite of it's mediocre record - because it's a NYC team with a loyal fan base. I don't think he finished college, and never went anywhere with the career handed to him at J&J. He's on the board of an investment company, but he's window dressing there - he is not purported to be any kind of financial genius.

Being a team owner gives him a high profile, he rubs elbows with 31 other unique individuals, most of whom earned their money the hard way. I wonder what the other owners actually think of him - if they think of him at all.

When I see him on tv, wearing a Jets hat, I just think he looks foolish. He's not kidding anybody, is he?

When I think about rooting for the team and being a loyal fan, I realize in effect I'm rooting for him. Which makes ME feel foolish. Here I am, having a serious interest in a feckless billionaire's shiny plaything - and they don't even win, which would at least give me some satisfaction.

Sorry to launder my psyche in public, but I'm about to walk away from it altogether. After this year, I probably will.

So 2017 is going to be your breaking point?? This will be one of the worst teams the Jets have ever fielded and thats saying a lot. So seeing how you feel now you might as well save some stress and walk away now. However, I agree he is a baffoon.

 

[Mainejet]

I think Woody is an excellent owner.

 

[isired]

I don't care how he made his money, he's got to do what the great owners do - stay away from the football aspect. Jerry Jones has screwed up the Cowboys royally by meddling, and they turned around almost immediately after he stepped away- and he's a guy with a football background. Every move that Woody has reportedly been involved in has been a disaster, and a foreseeable one. If he doesn't change, he will continue to be one of the worst owners in the league, with one of the worst teams in the league.

 

[mykcuz]

I don't care how he made his money, he's got to do what the great owners do - stay away from the football aspect. Jerry Jones has screwed up the Cowboys royally by meddling, and they turned around almost immediately after he stepped away- and he's a guy with a football background. Every move that Woody has reportedly been involved in has been a disaster, and a foreseeable one. If he doesn't change, he will continue to be one of the worst owners in the league, with one of the worst teams in the league.

Are you saying woody is meddling? I don't get that feeling at all.
I feel like this is a dumb cliche argument that every team fans discuss, and the owners can't ever do right.

Be hands off, and you're out of touch and don't care.
Participate too much and you're meddling.
It's a no win.

The fact is, mac has woodys multi billion dollar asset in his hands, that's a lot of trust. Woody has never embarrassed us with his behavior, he's never been stingy with cash, and he has seeked out NFL execs during hiring processes. Plus the jets town hall woody sits on stage and looks us in the eye, and answers our questions.

Owning an nfl team is very rare, winning a super bowl is even more rare. The majority of the NFL teams have not won a super bowl in the last 20 years. In fact, almost no team has won a supper bowl in the last 10 years without a qb named Brady or manning.

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[Xmarco]

Woody is not the problem IMO

 

[Old#15]

If anything, lack of a FQB notwithstanding, Woody is guilty of an inability to focus on what is successful in the NFL. At least in the last 10 years, the team has invested in gimmicky or past their prime players to lead the team. Seems as though it is for marketing purposes, not for building an annually competitive football team. The good teams' vision is to fill seats with good football, not a sideshow. I think Woody is a good owner who is willing to do what is necessary, but he is also misguided at times. Hopefully, his latest 'vision', patience and willingness to build things the right way is sustainable.

 

[McJet]

Reasons why the Jets are not successful, Every QB drafted or signed has not panned out, period.
This is a QB driven league and some teams even with a great/good QB still haven't won a ring.
We as Jet fans can bitch and moan about all the Gholstons, Milliners, Kyle Wilsons, Vlad Ducasses,Stephen Hill's etc,etc...All we want,but until that QB comes through the door and gives the Jets a week in and week out chance to win it won't matter who the owner is.
Do the Patriots win because Kraft is a good owner,NO. They win because of #12 and Belicheck.
The Dolphins sucked when Tannenhill wasn't playing well, he is playing better now and guess what, they are starting to win.
This year is ALL about Hackenberg,he either can play or he cannot. If it's the latter, then the #1pick becomes the talk and Sam Donaldson is the new focus or whatever QB is the next franchise QB coming out in the 2018 draft.
The only thing as an owner, i wish Johnson did was get the Jets their own stadium and in NY.The Jets and the Giants should both be called New Jersey Jets/Giants in my opinion.

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

Nothing will change until we have a new owner, I am convinced of that. The character of a team comes from the top, and he comes across as weak and adrift. We need someone who actually built his fortune by kicking ass, not inheriting $billions of dollars.
Look around the league at the owners of successful teams: they are no-nonsense, intense, and ruthless. Kraft, Jones, the Maras, the list goes on.

If he would just give up and sell the team, what a blessing that would be...

Problem is, he paid only around $600million for the team, 17 years ago. Today, it's worth almost $3billion (which is half of his net worth). It makes money for him, in spite of it's mediocre record - because it's a NYC team with a loyal fan base. I don't think he finished college, and never went anywhere with the career handed to him at J&J. He's on the board of an investment company, but he's window dressing there - he is not purported to be any kind of financial genius.

Being a team owner gives him a high profile, he rubs elbows with 31 other unique individuals, most of whom earned their money the hard way. I wonder what the other owners actually think of him - if they think of him at all.

When I see him on tv, wearing a Jets hat, I just think he looks foolish. He's not kidding anybody, is he?

When I think about rooting for the team and being a loyal fan, I realize in effect I'm rooting for him. Which makes ME feel foolish. Here I am, having a serious interest in a feckless billionaire's shiny plaything - and they don't even win, which would at least give me some satisfaction.

Sorry to launder my psyche in public, but I'm about to walk away from it altogether. After this year, I probably will.

I've never been a Woody fan. He has been guilty of many things over the years including;

• Meddling in coaching decisions. He has forced coaches to keep assistants. Best example is keeping Brian Shittyheimer around for many years. He was a terrible coach who Woody loved irrationally and kept him around for five years too many. He even went so far as to consider him for head coach but decided on Rex instead.
• Meddling in GM decisions. He has forced coaches on GM's (Rex on Idzik, Bowles on Maccagnan) and he has forced terrible player personnel staff on GM (e.g., keeping Bradway).
• These are some of the reasons he has never once hired a GM or coach with any previous experience. No one would take the job except first timers.
• He has taken advice from lawyers and accountants rather than football people.

All that said, it seems there may be hope that he's taking the right path at last. The key is how he handles this season. It's going to be a rough ride but he has to stick to his word that he won't make decisions based solely on their record. Of course progress must be shown (effort and accountability) but decisions have to be rational.

 

[Bigmoe]

, Every QB drafted or signed has not panned out, period.

Well not really
one did

 

[SackExchange]

I think Woody is an excellent owner.

At the very least he's good. Excellent may be an overstatement, but...

1. He spends the money to win. Most necessary component of being a good owner.
2. He, by and large, lets the football people do their jobs. He's not naming himself GM or anything. He is no Daniel Snyder or Jerry Jones.
3. He's willing to make the Jets an attractive landing spot for players. Winning is, of course, the most important factor. But the facility he built at Florham Park is fantastic. And he was all in on a West Side stadium before politicians killed the deal, which led to the shared stadium which, though not ideal, is a far better deal than being the Giants' tenants like the old deal.

Definitely not perfect. But the animosity toward him makes no sense to me.

 

[SackExchange]

Reasons why the Jets are not successful, Every QB drafted or signed has not panned out, period.
This is a QB driven league and some teams even with a great/good QB still haven't won a ring.
We as Jet fans can bitch and moan about all the Gholstons, Milliners, Kyle Wilsons, Vlad Ducasses,Stephen Hill's etc,etc...All we want,but until that QB comes through the door and gives the Jets a week in and week out chance to win it won't matter who the owner is.
Do the Patriots win because Kraft is a good owner,NO. They win because of #12 and Belicheck.
The Dolphins sucked when Tannenhill wasn't playing well, he is playing better now and guess what, they are starting to win.
This year is ALL about Hackenberg,he either can play or he cannot. If it's the latter, then the #1pick becomes the talk and Sam Donaldson is the new focus or whatever QB is the next franchise QB coming out in the 2018 draft.
The only thing as an owner, i wish Johnson did was get the Jets their own stadium and in NY.The Jets and the Giants should both be called New Jersey Jets/Giants in my opinion.

Sam Donaldson? The news guy? Or Sam Darnold, the QB?

 

[McJet]

Sam Donaldson? The news guy? Or Sam Darnold, the QB?

Oopps, guess I can't blame that on autocorrect. Thanks Sack.

 

[Mainejet]

At the very least he's good. Excellent may be an overstatement, but...

1. He spends the money to win. Most necessary component of being a good owner.
2. He, by and large, lets the football people do their jobs. He's not naming himself GM or anything. He is no Daniel Snyder or Jerry Jones.
3. He's willing to make the Jets an attractive landing spot for players. Winning is, of course, the most important factor. But the facility he built at Florham Park is fantastic. And he was all in on a West Side stadium before politicians killed the deal, which led to the shared stadium which, though not ideal, is a far better deal than being the Giants' tenants like the old deal.

Definitely not perfect. But the animosity toward him makes no sense to me.

IMO, if Woody is guilty of anything it is the following things:

1) The desire for a quick fix? He's never gone down the road of rebuilding a team from the ground up, until now. That to me speaks to his desire to want to be successful because he wants the fans to be happy? I find no fault in that.

2) Terrible hiring's. God knows if Mac is truly the real deal GM? What he did with this team last season was garbage, pure and simple IMO. I knew the Jets would not be decent in 2016 and true to form, they were terrible. However, this last draft makes me think he's truly on the right path? Only time will tell, but I have no trouble saying this draft will be at least 3 times more successful than all of draft picks besides Leo prior.

Toilet is garbage. I've seen enough already. There's no way once again, IMO, that this team will ever win the SB with Toilet as HC........

 

[SackExchange]

Oopps, guess I can't blame that on autocorrect. Thanks Sack.

No harm! We've all been there.

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

IMO, if Woody is guilty of anything it is the following things:

1) The desire for a quick fix? He's never gone down the road of rebuilding a team from the ground up, until now. That to me speaks to his desire to want to be successful because he wants the fans to be happy? I find no fault in that.

2) Terrible hiring's. God knows if Mac is truly the real deal GM? What he did with this team last season was garbage, pure and simple IMO. I knew the Jets would not be decent in 2016 and true to form, they were terrible. However, this last draft makes me think he's truly on the right path? Only time will tell, but I have no trouble saying this draft will be at least 3 times more successful than all of draft picks besides Leo prior.

Toilet is garbage. I've seen enough already. There's no way once again, IMO, that this team will ever win the SB with Toilet as HC........

What Woody is most guilty of is never hiring THE GUY to run football operations. One guy in charge to take the reigns and have full accountability. He's always had his guys in different corners of Florham Park and no one person to hold accountable. He would then pick a scapegoat every year.

 

[gastineau]

I'm fine with Woody because he spends the money. Not Woody's fault he doesnt know Football Coaching & hires the wrong GM & Coaches all the time. He went out and hired NFL people to help him hire a GM & Coach last time. Dont know what else you want Woody to do? Not like he is an owner like the Wilponsi schemers that hire a$$ kissers as GM & Manager & a bunch of Coaches that belong in T Ball. Even the Trainer Wilpons hired bulks up Pitchers arms & has star player with Hammy & Quad issues train doing heavy squats on machine over doing light free weights, duh & then not enough stretching & have same injuries every year. I though trainers goal was to get Players in shape as preventive against repeated injuries? Now thats a Mets Mess from bad owners even willing to grab an ex Met who had accusations of abusing his Wife milked injuries & screwed Mets last time & is awful starter. That folks, is a Bad Owner! Wilponsi Bros make Woody look like a HOF Owner.

 

[isired]

Are you saying woody is meddling? I don't get that feeling at all.
I feel like this is a dumb cliche argument that every team fans discuss, and the owners can't ever do right.

Be hands off, and you're out of touch and don't care.
Participate too much and you're meddling.
It's a no win.

The fact is, mac has woodys multi billion dollar asset in his hands, that's a lot of trust. Woody has never embarrassed us with his behavior, he's never been stingy with cash, and he has seeked out NFL execs during hiring processes. Plus the jets town hall woody sits on stage and looks us in the eye, and answers our questions.

Owning an nfl team is very rare, winning a super bowl is even more rare. The majority of the NFL teams have not won a super bowl in the last 20 years. In fact, almost no team has won a supper bowl in the last 10 years without a qb named Brady or manning.

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well he's never disputed press accounts and those in 'collision low crossers' regarding his input, all the way back to the herm-to-kc "I just want him gone!" story, and accusations that he is i formed and activated by his craving for press and popularity, etc., etc, etc. Most of these things do not go hand in hand with building a football team that has long term success, rather leads to the retreads and bad contracts that have left us either 'on the brink or rebuilding year after year. Having both the coach and GM answer directly to him, being independent and on the same level also hurts us.