Possible Quarterback situations for the Jets in 2015

[CodieneWanKenobi]

So you think LT is a priority need? DBrick is under guaranteed contract for the next three years and I would argue he isn't slipping at all and has remained durable and efficient. Maybe you're one of those who subscribe in taking a top 10 pick and using him at RT? That's not an athletic position as it's your run-heavy side typically filled by larger, less-athletic, far less costly OT's.

I'd have a hard time agreeing this is a major need and warranting a 1st rounder, especially a #6 pick. Just sayin.

I agree with you. Anyone saying our first round pick should be a LT or Defensive Lineman isn't a real Jet fan and didn't watch our last season. Our needs are clear. I say draft a CB in the 1st round but then again I know how GMs like to chase the best player on the board in general.

 

[Matriculator]

I agree with you. Anyone saying our first round pick should be a LT or Defensive Lineman isn't a real Jet fan and didn't watch our last season. Our needs are clear. I say draft a CB in the 1st round but then again I know how GMs like to chase the best player on the board in general.

Let's tone down the defining of a Jets fan simply based on one's opinion here. Everyone here is a fan regardless of your sensibilities.
We like to promote dialogue and backup our ideas. Give him a chance to respond and either agree or disagree and state your reason why without labeling. No one's really ever right or wrong here as everyone has their unique perspectives on all topics. Okay?

I would challenge you to convince me why we would use another top 10 pick on a CB with needs at pass rusher and WR. Are there any CB's worthy of top 6 mention? CBS Sports has three experts with their 1st round mocks and the earliest they have a CB going is at 16 (Trae Waynes) with the next one at 20. That would be a mighty reach for us at 6. Not a good way to get the best talent for your buck. Probably be better of waiting until the 2nd on that position.
Keep in mind all our guys have less than 2 years of playing experience. I suggest a veteran FA first.

 

[CodieneWanKenobi]

Am I in trouble? Your right but I'd count that as my opinion "right or wrong". I don't think our #1 need is at Defensive Lineman or WR. We're not perfect there but we're decent. I truely believe we struggled the most at CB on defense last year. It's obvious we need a QB but (in my opinion) I'd chase a FA at that position before drafting Mariota or Winston. Simply put I put in my comment in the forum based on my opinion regarding the recent mock drafts that have the Jets taking a Defensive Lineman or any kind of LT.

 

[Matriculator]

Am I in trouble? Your right but I'd count that as my opinion "right or wrong". I don't think our #1 need is at Defensive Lineman or WR. We're not perfect there but we're decent. I truely believe we struggled the most at CB on defense last year. It's obvious we need a QB but (in my opinion) I'd chase a FA at that position before drafting Mariota or Winston. Simply put I put in my comment in the forum based on my opinion regarding the recent mock drafts that have the Jets taking a Defensive Lineman or any kind of LT.

Who's saying the Jets need a DLineman?

 

[CodieneWanKenobi]

Who's saying the Jets need a DLineman?

A few mock drafts on Tv have the Jets taking Fowler out of Florida as the 1st round pick. I just threw that in there in sake of my debate against what I've heard regarding the Jets draft possibilities. I'd actually be happier with an Offensive lineman than a Defensive lineman but not to replace LT.

 

[Elias]

Who's saying the Jets need a DLineman?

I think he's talking about mocks that project us to take a de that would project to OLB. Passrusher is a need but not before CB and OL.

I prefer we address the CB position via free agency.

 

[Matriculator]

A few mock drafts on Tv have the Jets taking Fowler out of Florida as the 1st round pick. I just threw that in there in sake of my debate against what I've heard regarding the Jets draft possibilities. I'd actually be happier with an Offensive lineman than a Defensive lineman but not to replace LT.

I understand why you saw that as he played DE at Florida. He's considered a 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE as a pass rushing specialist but he can actually flash coverage ability. He does fit our needs unless you think Coples is still our guy as he managed only 6.5 sacks last season. You probably want better production there.

As for OLinemen, I already opined on the matter.

 

[Superman55]

To this point, I've seen your arguments on going CB in the first over WR and pass rusher. We'll strongly disagree on that one.

I still haven't seen a compelling case for an OLineman in the 1st. I'm all ears. Cheers.

No one said take CB with our 1st rd pick...I said rd 2...even if it means trading up from rd 2. I havent seen a single person say take a CB #6 ...all my posts say 20-30 range...by trading up from rd 2.

 

[cysporsche]

Since Vick is gone, we need a good QB that can compete with Geno & let Mariota sit for a while learning (if we pick him @ 6). I don't want Fritz or Moore, or even Glennon who would cost us a draft pick.
I want Jake Locker 6'3"/235 (26). He has a cannon of an arm, he is a pocket QB who can run out of the pocket, he'll be cheap and he's only 26.

Go Jets...Cyborg

 

[Superman55]

So you think LT is a priority need? DBrick is under guaranteed contract for the next three years (ditto for Giacomini) and I would argue he isn't slipping at all and has remained durable and efficient. Maybe you're one of those who subscribe in taking a top 10 pick and using him at RT? That's not an athletic position as it's your run-heavy side typically filled by larger, less-athletic, far less costly OT's.

I'd have a hard time agreeing this is a major need and warranting a 1st rounder, especially a #6 pick. Just sayin.

brick's play has definitely slipped...he used to give up 1 or 0 sacks a year until last year when he approached 10. He went 5 years without giving up 8 total sacks...now he gives up 8 in a season. That is slippage, even if minimal. He doesnt need to be replaced, that's for sure, but he's no longer a borderline pro bowl OT, he's closer to a top 15-20 OT now than top 7-8 like he was until last season.

 

[Old#15]

brick's play has definitely slipped...he used to give up 1 or 0 sacks a year until last year when he approached 10. He went 5 years without giving up 8 total sacks...now he gives up 8 in a season. That is slippage, even if minimal. He doesnt need to be replaced, that's for sure, but he's no longer a borderline pro bowl OT, he's closer to a top 15-20 OT now than top 7-8 like he was until last season.

That's why I suggested that if a guy like Collins demonstrates that he can play outside he wouldn't necessarily be a bad pick. Play him inside or at RT for a couple of years and then slide outside when Brick falls off the cliff.

 

[Superman55]

Coach: Jameis Winston throwing in Indy a “game-time decision”

Posted by Darin Gantt on February 16, 2015, 11:41 AM EST
Jameis Winston
AP
Yes, Jameis Winston is in shape, and is prepared to throw at the NFL Scouting Combine.

Whether he will or not remains to be seen.

Via Jim Corbett of USA Today, the Florida State quarterback isn’t sure whether he’s going to go through the full array of passing drills this week in Indianapolis,

“It’s a game-time decision,” quarterback coach George Whitfield Jr. said. “He’s a very big believer in himself, so it’ll be interesting. He’s prepared to do it. Whether he goes in and does it will probably be determined a couple of days from now.

“At this time, he hasn’t made a decision.”

It has become a bit of a rarity for a top prospect to throw at the Combine, with most leaning on the scripted workouts at Pro Day, in familiar settings, with receivers they’ve known for more than five minutes.

But whether he throws or not, Whitfield insisted that Winston was in shape, after some less-than-flattering photos hit the internet last week.

“He’s lost about 12-15 pounds,” Whitfield said. “When you hear stuff about Jameis, the weight and he’s getting fat — What do people think that I’ve been golfing while he’s been playing Call of Duty?

“He’s always had a thing about pushing his stomach out. I hadn’t seen the pic until Saturday. You smile about it because people got it and they jumped on it. When I saw him later, Jameis laughed and said, ‘I’m going to be out in front of the world in a couple of days anyway.’

“He’s been working his butt off the last five weeks to make sure he’s going to make a tough decision for somebody. He looks good. I like where he is, focused, driven. He’s enjoying the process.”

Of course, the bigger part of the process for Winston will be off the field in Indy, as teams begin to use their time with him to determine if his extracurricular activities are enough of a concern to change his draft status.

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[Matriculator]

No one said take CB with our 1st rd pick...I said rd 2...even if it means trading up from rd 2. I havent seen a single person say take a CB #6 ...all my posts say 20-30 range...by trading up from rd 2.

No, you did say that (as well as Old#15), albeit at #20 - here's an excerpt from your entire reply:

Addressing QB and trading down to the Eagles pick likely grabvs us a WR, CB, OLB, or OL to go with addressing QB. that would be a huge win and hopefully come out of rd 1 with 2 holes plugged.

The point remains the same that I disagree with in that another very young CB is needed on this team at this time without knowing for certain what we have combined with the other glaring needs on the team...which could all conceivably be addressed in FA.
If that's not what you meant, fine. I'd still argue against a CB in this entire draft. We have young CB talent. To draft another would simply stunt their growth as someone would sit.

 

[Matriculator]

Coach: Jameis Winston throwing in Indy a “game-time decision”

Posted by Darin Gantt on February 16, 2015, 11:41 AM EST
Jameis Winston
AP
Yes, Jameis Winston is in shape, and is prepared to throw at the NFL Scouting Combine.

Whether he will or not remains to be seen.

Via Jim Corbett of USA Today, the Florida State quarterback isn’t sure whether he’s going to go through the full array of passing drills this week in Indianapolis,

“It’s a game-time decision,” quarterback coach George Whitfield Jr. said. “He’s a very big believer in himself, so it’ll be interesting. He’s prepared to do it. Whether he goes in and does it will probably be determined a couple of days from now.

“At this time, he hasn’t made a decision.”

It has become a bit of a rarity for a top prospect to throw at the Combine, with most leaning on the scripted workouts at Pro Day, in familiar settings, with receivers they’ve known for more than five minutes.

But whether he throws or not, Whitfield insisted that Winston was in shape, after some less-than-flattering photos hit the internet last week.

“He’s lost about 12-15 pounds,” Whitfield said. “When you hear stuff about Jameis, the weight and he’s getting fat — What do people think that I’ve been golfing while he’s been playing Call of Duty?

“He’s always had a thing about pushing his stomach out. I hadn’t seen the pic until Saturday. You smile about it because people got it and they jumped on it. When I saw him later, Jameis laughed and said, ‘I’m going to be out in front of the world in a couple of days anyway.’

“He’s been working his butt off the last five weeks to make sure he’s going to make a tough decision for somebody. He looks good. I like where he is, focused, driven. He’s enjoying the process.”

Of course, the bigger part of the process for Winston will be off the field in Indy, as teams begin to use their time with him to determine if his extracurricular activities are enough of a concern to change his draft status.

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If this is true, someone ought to publicly denounce the lies from the media source claiming he's looking like Jamarcus Russell. It's slander.

 

[CodieneWanKenobi]

I do agree that we don't draft a CB first round. Only that we draft one 2nd or third and it be Quandre Diggs. But now hearing about Fowlers ability I still don't see us going with him as the first round pick. I have a feeling they're shooting for Mariota or Winston. Winston is good but I don't think he can handle the media here. I heard Locker's name mentioned...please God no. Not unless they let him play like he did in college. He's NOT a pocket passer. Personal opinion.

 

[CodieneWanKenobi]

As far as the overall topic, if I had to choose, I'd choose Winston. I like Mariota better but I can't deny Winston's talent. He comes off as a mixture of Andrew Luck and Vince Young.

 

[Superman55]

No, you did say that (as well as Old#15), albeit at #20 - here's an excerpt from your entire reply:

Addressing QB and trading down to the Eagles pick likely grabvs us a WR, CB, OLB, or OL to go with addressing QB. that would be a huge win and hopefully come out of rd 1 with 2 holes plugged.

The point remains the same that I disagree with in that another very young CB is needed on this team at this time without knowing for certain what we have combined with the other glaring needs on the team...which could all conceivably be addressed in FA.
If that's not what you meant, fine. I'd still argue against a CB in this entire draft. We have young CB talent. To draft another would simply stunt their growth as someone would sit.

You'd argue taking a CB with any pick in this draft?

Holy crap, man, it's the biggest hole on our roster after QB...even with a healthy McDougle and Milliner we're bottom 5 in the NFL at the position. I dont know what to say if you truly think signing 1 of these non-shutdown CBs is going to fix that....and Cro, jackson and maxwell are not shutdown CBs, so much so their teams dont even mind losing them...

Not sure what you saw last year watching the Jets, but when teams wanted to score, they did...they just threw the ball and marched down the field. I guess I dont see Milliner and McDougle and 1 FA CB fixing that...

 

[Matriculator]

You'd argue taking a CB with any pick in this draft?

Holy crap, man, it's the biggest hole on our roster after QB...even with a healthy McDougle and Milliner we're bottom 5 in the NFL at the position. I dont know what to say if you truly think signing 1 of these non-shutdown CBs is going to fix that....and Cro, jackson and maxwell are not shutdown CBs, so much so their teams dont even mind losing them...

Not sure what you saw last year watching the Jets, but when teams wanted to score, they did...they just threw the ball and marched down the field. I guess I dont see Milliner and McDougle and 1 FA CB fixing that...

I'm not sure what you find so surprising. I've already laid in detail my reason against having another 22 year old CB on this team. It won't be the biggest hole once we sign a FA. Not by a long shot. Look, we just differ in our confidence level of the guys remaining. That's not going to change. I'm quite confident the four guys on our roster can handle the #2 and slot position as well as dime packages. You've essentially written off both Milliner and McDougal, I haven't. And I'm really high on Williams. We'll see what Jets brass does.
We only have 6 picks.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

The thing is with acquiring either Jake Locker or Sam Bradford, Macagnan must strengthen this O-Line as best as he can. Both of these QB's are Pennington'esque. Excellent ability to place the ball where it needs to be placed, but one tap away from a defense man from losing the season.

Franklin & Bulaga need to be priority if Mac is leaning towards choosing any of these guys.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

I'd love Mariota, but Bryce Petty would be an ideal fit in Gailey's spread offense in which he played well at Baylor. I truly hope Mac can snag atleast one of these top 3 QB's to groom for this franchise.