Possible Quarterback situations for the Jets in 2015

[Matriculator]

That's much more realistic. We're not getting their next year's one; no way.

I see a scenario where we swap 1st rounders and pick up their 2nd and 4th rounders this year. That way we can retain Harvin (if they want) and still retain a pick in the 4th round, where good players will still be available.

Of course, until we get further info, I think we would jump on Mariota at 6 if he drops. That means Philly needs to jump to at least #5 , making this discussion all moot.

Do you remember the Washington Cleveland trade just 3 drafts ago? The Redskins moved up from 6 to 2 and surrendered their #6 pick plus two 1st rounders and a 2nd. And if you recall Atlanta moving up from 27 to our same spot at 6 had to give up 5 picks in all - two 1st's, a 2nd and 2 4th's.

The value chart (created by Jimmy Johnson) dictates tremendous compensation for moving up high into the 1st round. These figures you're seeing are reflective of fair value according to the chart with the variable of Foles' value not being known. I can't see his value exceeding a 3rd round value which is where he was drafted but I'm not certain of that. We would definitely acquire their 1st next year and then some. That's actually a starting point, not ceiling.

 

[NickSINYC]

Do you remember the Washington Cleveland trade just 3 drafts ago? The Redskins moved up from 6 to 2 and surrendered their #6 pick plus two 1st rounders and a 2nd. And if you recall Atlanta moving up from 27 to our same spot at 6 had to give up 5 picks in all - two 1st's, a 2nd and 2 4th's.

The value chart (created by Jimmy Johnson) dictates tremendous compensation for moving up high into the 1st round. These figures you're seeing are reflective of fair value according to the chart with the variable of Foles' value not being known. I can't see his value exceeding a 3rd round value which is where he was drafted but I'm not certain of that. We would definitely acquire their 1st next year and then some. That's actually a starting point, not ceiling.

I don't think you can use an established players' draft position to come up with trade chart value. I think you need to used the value of where you project he would go in this draft. I think Foles goes somewhere in the 1st round in this group of QBs.

 

[Matriculator]

I don't think you can use an established players' draft position to come up with trade chart value. I think you need to used the value of where you project he would go in this draft. I think Foles goes somewhere in the 1st round in this group of QBs.

I don't claim to know that answer but I've never heard of such a method used to gauge a veteran's market value towards draft pick(s)...and I'm not sure how you'd arrive at a consensus on that one. It's quite subjective as factors are in play such as being on the last year of his rookie contract and the fact he's not 22 like the rest of these guys so he has a level of depreciation in shelf life and then the experience factors in. Obviously, his value would be negotiated. And the Jets would be in the driver's seat in such negotiations with Chicago selecting 7th.

 

[Superman55]

I don't claim to know that answer but I've never heard of such a method used to gauge a veteran's market value towards draft pick(s)...and I'm not sure how you'd arrive at a consensus on that one. It's quite subjective as factors are in play such as being on the last year of his rookie contract and the fact he's not 22 like the rest of these guys so he has a level of depreciation in shelf life and then the experience factors in. Obviously, his value would be negotiated. And the Jets would be in the driver's seat in such negotiations with Chicago selecting 7th.

Well, when we traded up for Sanchez at #5 overall, we gave up the #17 , a 2nd rd pick, Kenyon Coleman, Abram Elam, and Brett Ratliff...and people were actually still using the Jimmy Johnson chart back then...they dont so much now with the new CBA.

So I would say adding players reduces the need to give up so many picks...and I think I would take 1 Foles over the 3 players we gave up...

Dolphins also traded up to #3 overall to take Dion Jordan and only gave up #12 and #42 . I dont think Mehta's picks predictions are in the ball park...

 

[NickSINYC]

I don't claim to know that answer but I've never heard of such a method used to gauge a veteran's market value towards draft pick(s)...and I'm not sure how you'd arrive at a consensus on that one. It's quite subjective as factors are in play such as being on the last year of his rookie contract and the fact he's not 22 like the rest of these guys so he has a level of depreciation in shelf life and then the experience factors in. Obviously, his value would be negotiated. And the Jets would be in the driver's seat in such negotiations with Chicago selecting 7th.

Of course his value would have to be negotiated but IMHO fair value is in the 1st round range. So when all these mult high draft picks plus Foles are being rumored I along with some other posters feel it is too high and Philly would never give that much up and we would still make the trade foe less.

 

[Matriculator]

Of course his value would have to be negotiated but IMHO fair value is in the 1st round range. So when all these mult high draft picks plus Foles are being rumored I along with some other posters feel it is too high and Philly would never give that much up and we would still make the trade foe less.

I don't think Foles' value on the open market is near that of a 1st and think the prices you hear in the media are fair and accurate for such a trade to take place.
In my mind to execture such a deal, swap 1st's, get next year's 1st and a 2nd in either this or next year's draft on top of Foles. We obviously differ on Foles' value (on top of how it is attained) but that's okay.

 

[NickSINYC]

I don't think Foles' value on the open market is near that of a 1st and think the prices you hear in the media are fair and accurate for such a trade to take place.
In my mind to execture such a deal, swap 1st's, get next year's 1st and a 2nd in either this or next year's draft on top of Foles. We obviously differ on Foles' value (on top of how it is attained) but that's okay.

We will only find out for sure if and when the Eagles trade him.

 

[Superman55]

We will only find out for sure if and when the Eagles trade him.

Yeah, and it's hard for me to "believe in Mehta."

 

[Superman55]

Texans want QB Ryan Mallett back
Updated: February 19, 2015, 1:47 PM ET
By Tania Ganguli | ESPN.com
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INDIANAPOLIS -- Houston Texans general manager Rick Smith and head coach Bill O'Brien want quarterback Ryan Mallett back in Houston next season, both men said Thursday during the NFL scouting combine.

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Ryan Mallett is set to hit free agency on March 10 if the Texans don't re-sign him before then.
Mallett, whom the Texans acquired through a preseason trade with the New England Patriots, will become a free agent on March 10, barring a deal with the Texans prior to that date.

"I think if you look at our offense, I think it's important for us to bolster the quarterback position," O'Brien said. "To me one of the ways to do that is to get Ryan Mallett back here."

Offered Smith: "We're hopeful that we'll get him back and have another opportunity to continue to help us."

Mallett came to the Texans after training camp on Aug. 31. He replaced Case Keenum, who was then released, and backed up Ryan Fitzpatrick for the first nine games of the season.

Fitzpatrick went 4-5 in those first nine games, and Mallett replaced him as the starter during the Texans' ensuing bye week. He led the Texans to a 23-7 win in Cleveland, completing 66.7 percent of his passes, for 211 yards, two passing touchdowns and one interception. His total QBR was a strong 81.9.

Mallett suffered a torn pectoral muscle following that game and played hurt against the Cincinnati Bengals the next week. The injury became too significant and Mallett was placed on injured reserve.

Mallett spent the first three seasons of his career in New England, playing behind Tom Brady. Given the Hall of Famer in front of him, Mallett's playing time was significantly limited, and what he would do in a full game remained a mystery.

"The thing that I was impressed probably most about him is you see backup quarterbacks in this league all the time play behind great quarterbacks; sometimes they pick up on how to play the position from the guy that they're watching," Smith said. "In his case, it was pretty apparent to me right off the bat, not only did he understand the position, it was apparent he had picked up several leadership traits playing behind such a great player. He was able to incorporate that in his stuff, his style."

 

[hobson54]

Of course his value would have to be negotiated but IMHO fair value is in the 1st round range. So when all these mult high draft picks plus Foles are being rumored I along with some other posters feel it is too high and Philly would never give that much up and we would still make the trade foe less.

nick, i know you've long liked foles (dating to before he was even drafted), but imo, if he were shopped around the league today, he wouldn't bring back a 1st round pick. my guess is it would be closer to a 3rd round pick.

 

[Superman55]

nick, i know you've long liked foles (dating to before he was even drafted), but imo, if he were shopped around the league today, he wouldn't bring back a 1st round pick. my guess is it would be closer to a 3rd round pick.

I think he's a 2nd rd pick value...

 

[NickSINYC]

nick, i know you've long liked foles (dating to before he was even drafted), but imo, if he were shopped around the league today, he wouldn't bring back a 1st round pick. my guess is it would be closer to a 3rd round pick.

My reasoning is there is a weak FA and draft QB class. It is supply and demand. I believe in this situation he is worth the 1 to a QB needy team.

 

[Superman55]

My reasoning is there is a weak FA and draft QB class. It is supply and demand. I believe in this situation he is worth the 1 to a QB needy team.

Well, if I am the Browns at 43, Bills at 50, or Texans at 51...I trade those picks for Foles over drafting Hundley or Grayson...I just think those teams with those defenses have a much brighter outlook on 2015 with Foles than anything they could acquire at QB with those picks...

 

[hobson54]

My reasoning is there is a weak FA and draft QB class. It is supply and demand. I believe in this situation he is worth the 1 to a QB needy team.

but the other side of the coin is the team trading with philly knows philly doesn't want him. i mean one can look at it as foles is a guy who lost (i.e. didn't reclaim) his job from mark sanchez. would you give up a 1 today for sanchez??? assuming no, why give up a 1 for the guy who sanchez replaced?

the other thing to consider is foles is an UFA after the 2015 season. so you would need to trade for him, then sign him to a long-term deal. if you are planning on him being your franchise QB (and if you are giving up a 1, he's your franchise QB), he's gonna want to get paid.

so yeah, i agree that foles is better than any QB in this draft except for maybe winston and mariota. i think most teams would take him over any of the next tier of QBs. but nfl trades don't really work like that. which is why i find it hard to believe that foles on the trade market on a stand-alone basis garners a 1st.

 

[NickSINYC]

Now I have 2 reasons I want the trade with Philly to happen. 1st I really would like to see him at QB with Gailey as OC and 2nd to see just what he is really worth.

 

[hobson54]

Now I have 2 reasons I want the trade with Philly to happen. 1st I really would like to see him at QB with Gailey as OC and 2nd to see just what he is really worth.

well you really wouldn't know what he is worth if it's part of a package deal. although i guess you could derive a value using the latest "trade chart". of course, if he's traded to the jets, i'm hoping he's "worth" a 7th round pick :football-touchdown-

 

[Matriculator]

Now I have 2 reasons I want the trade with Philly to happen. 1st I really would like to see him at QB with Gailey as OC and 2nd to see just what he is really worth.

If he's in a package deal with picks, there will be no known value for him. We can only give a best guess based on the picks given up but you'd never have an assigned value unless it was a straight player for draft pick swap.

As Hobson mentions, they are trying to unload him...the message is we don't like this guy and can't move forward with him. The value to his own team isn't that high and as I said earlier, they would be in no position of bargaining power knowing Chicago picks after the Jets. They would have to solicit a very attractive package especially if the Jets smartly show interest in Mariota themselves.
Thus, the Eagles would have to pony up a slew of picks to get Mariota moving all the way from 20 to 6. But I'm repeating myself.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

but the other side of the coin is the team trading with philly knows philly doesn't want him. i mean one can look at it as foles is a guy who lost (i.e. didn't reclaim) his job from mark sanchez. would you give up a 1 today for sanchez??? assuming no, why give up a 1 for the guy who sanchez replaced?

the other thing to consider is foles is an UFA after the 2015 season. so you would need to trade for him, then sign him to a long-term deal. if you are planning on him being your franchise QB (and if you are giving up a 1, he's your franchise QB), he's gonna want to get paid.

so yeah, i agree that foles is better than any QB in this draft except for maybe winston and mariota. i think most teams would take him over any of the next tier of QBs. but nfl trades don't really work like that. which is why i find it hard to believe that foles on the trade market on a stand-alone basis garners a 1st.

Did Foles lose the job to Sanchez because he wasn't playing well, or because of injury?

Sanchez played a few really good games in relief, and it seemed as though Chip was going with the hot hand. If so, I don't really regard that as an indictment of Foles so much as Sanchez played well during that span, and who knows where Foles was at in his rehab from that injury. I don't follow the Eagles closely, but Foles played pretty well prior to the injury. At least, to my recollection.

 

[Matriculator]

Did Foles lose the job to Sanchez because he wasn't playing well, or because of injury?

Sanchez played a few really good games in relief, and it seemed as though Chip was going with the hot hand. If so, I don't really regard that as an indictment of Foles so much as Sanchez played well during that span, and who knows where Foles was at in his rehab from that injury. I don't follow the Eagles closely, but Foles played pretty well prior to the injury. At least, to my recollection.

Foles had thrown 13/10 prior to the injury. Coming off the previous year's success, it was a big step down. Someone here mentioned when Foles was returning from injury, Sanchez stayed in. Mark wasn't lighting it up either as the team failed to make the playoffs but he threw 14/11 which was about equal to Foles' output.
He's only played in 28 of 48 games in his career. Has a good completion percentage at around 60%.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Foles had thrown 13/10 prior to the injury. Coming off the previous year's success, it was a big step down. Someone here mentioned when Foles was returning from injury, Sanchez stayed in. Mark wasn't lighting it up either as the team failed to make the playoffs but he threw 14/11 which was about equal to Foles' output.
He's only played in 28 of 48 games in his career. Has a good completion percentage at around 60%.

Foles led the Eagles to a 6-2 record prior to the injury. And his 2013 TD/INT ratio was 27 to 2. I don't wanna cherry pick stats, but that's pretty impressive. And 13/10 TD to INT isn't exactly horrible. Point is, I would take Nick Foles over both Geno Smith and Mark Sanchez in a heartbeat.