Punishment is in

[sg3]

Problem for the union and asshole Kessler and Serial Cheating Taum and his idolizing legion of drunken chowderheads is this...

The NFLPA negotiated and signed off on a Collective Bargaining Agreement that authorized the Commissioner of the NFL sole final power to mete out punishments and decide appeals of punishments.

There isn't a court in this country, even one in New England (land of arrogant dumbasses) that can or will overturn something legal and part of a collectively bargained agreement

 

[Jet Fan RI]

IMO. The Pats got off with just a slap on the wrist again. This team has been caught n caught n caught breaking the rules to many times and it was time to really hammer them. I was thinking a YEAR For Brady n Bill B. Now notice how Bill B. Got nothing. Don't you think he would have?

Theirs reasons for that and Goodell knows it.

Let's just say it's time for Goodell to go. He should re-sign before he himself gets investigated.

Those suspensions are exactly what I thought they should get too. Plus 1st and 2nd draft picks for 2016.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

I Tell ya what Jet Fan RI. Goodell does not want Brady to appeal. Cause then, well the cats come out of the bag. I'm actually hoping he does appeal and we get Goodell out of office. Should be interesting.

He appealed last Thursday. WIthin 10 days a hearing date is supposed to be set. Goodell appointed himself the arbitrator.

 

[SackExchange]

The Patriots are playing chicken with the NFL, trying to force them to blink first. But this time, I'm not sure the league will blink.

The league is handling the Pats differently from how they have in the past, and the Pats are badly misreading the league right now.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

The Patriots are playing chicken with the NFL, trying to force them to blink first. But this time, I'm not sure the league will blink.

The league is handling the Pats differently from how they have in the past, and the Pats are badly misreading the league right now.

I think so. I think Goodell will remain the arbitrator and will uphold the penalties, without reduction. He does not think the Pats will bring a court action due to the risks. What I don't know is whether a suit can be brought that is limited only to claiming Goodell violated the CBA by delegating the responsibility for doling out penalties to Vincent, thus avoiding a subpoena of Brady's phone records. But if they do that, the result may very well be Goodell is "forced" to dole out a whole new set of penalties himself. Which could be worse than the first set, so it is still risky for the Pats to bring this to court.

 

[SackExchange]

I'd be shocked if the Pats take that chance. They may complain about the nature of an independent investigation commissioned by the league, but the involvement of the courts would force them to cooperate.

It's clear they did not want to cooperate in the least with this investigation, so I doubt they'd be anxious to have legal requirements of disclosure.

 

[Football51]

Albert Breer @AlbertBreer · 16h16 hours ago

Per our research staff, the last time Roger Goodell appointed himself appeals officer was for bounty hearings of Sean Payton, Mickey Loomis.

 

[Football51]

16 hours ago

Jason La Canfora retweeted
Michael McCann @McCannSportsLaw · 19h19 hours ago

Roger Goodell selecting himself as arbitrator should help Tom Brady if he sues. My legal take: http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/15/tom-brady-roger-goodell-deflategate-suspension-appeal …

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

I'd be shocked if the Pats take that chance. They may complain about the nature of an independent investigation commissioned by the league, but the involvement of the courts would force them to cooperate.

It's clear they did not want to cooperate in the least with this investigation, so I doubt they'd be anxious to have legal requirements of disclosure.

We just did the same song and dance with Arod, he lawyered up and threatened to sue everyone in existence, but MLB called his bluff because they knew the SOB was guilty, so they relished the opportunity to get him to testify UNDER OATH, with the threat of perjury hanging over his head like the Sword of Damocles, they also welcomed the opportunity to force discovery (i.e. force him to release all evidence), but they knew it would never reach that stage because he was GUILTY and HE KNEW HE WAS GUILTY ... Just like Brady and the Patriots.

When push came to shove Arod caved to make sure it never saw the inside of a courtroom, because he was guilty, and the same thing will happen here if the NFL sticks to their guns and calls Brady's/the Patriots bluff, for the same reason, because they are GUILTY and everyone outside of Patsie Homerville KNOWS they are guilty, including them.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

We just did the same song and dance with Arod, he lawyered up and threatened to sue everyone in existence, but MLB called his bluff because they knew the SOB was guilty, so they relished the opportunity to get him to testify UNDER OATH, with the threat of perjury hanging over his head like the Sword of Damocles, they also welcomed the opportunity to force discovery (i.e. force him to release all evidence), but they knew it would never reach that stage because he was GUILTY and HE KNEW HE WAS GUILTY ... Just like Brady and the Patriots.

When push came to shove Arod caved to make sure it never saw the inside of a courtroom, because he was guilty, and the same thing will happen here if the NFL sticks to their guns and calls Brady's/the Patriots bluff, for the same reason, because they are GUILTY and everyone outside of Patsie Homerville KNOWS they are guilty, including them.

And yet it is amazing how many people think the punishment was too severe. Even forgetting the past history, stealing the balls from the refs' locker room, not cooperating with the investigation, plus the actual deflation, how can anyone think the punishment for all that was too severe?

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

And yet it is amazing how many people think the punishment was too severe. Even forgetting the past history, stealing the balls from the refs' locker room, not cooperating with the investigation, plus the actual deflation, how can anyone think the punishment for all that was too severe?

Because we live in an age of moral relativism and nowhere is that more apparent than in the elite media.

If you want the short answer, there you have it. So far as most of the media is concerned, and ALL of Patsie Homerville, the Patriots are redeemed for all of their sins because they win.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Because we live in an age of moral relativism and nowhere is that more apparent than in the elite media.

If you want the short answer, there you have it. So far as most of the media is concerned, and ALL of Patsie Homerville, the Patriots are redeemed for all of their sins because they win.

But they win because they cheat. You'd think that might occur to some of their apologists.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

But they win because they cheat. You'd think that might occur to some of their apologists.

It doesn't matter, thats the whole point of moral relativism, the ends justify the means.

 

[jetfandreamer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-wh6qIJxnY

 

[SackExchange]

The league is starting to call the Pats' bluff. The tough talk does not seem to be deterring the league, as they begin to leak some of the stuff that will rebut the Pats' arguments.

They wouldn't do this if they didn't have the Pats by the balls.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/18/nfl-leaks-disagreement-with-patriots-on-circumstances-for-re-interviewing-witnesses/

 

[SackExchange]

Just to add to it, there is a lot Kraft will not discuss, evidently.

AND it is a violation of the league bylaws for a team to take the league to court. I think players can, as in the case with a few guys from the Saints, but I don't believe a team can. If they did this, it might be unprecedented. I don't recall a franchise ever suing the league. And what would happen to that team, regardless of the outcome, is unknown.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/18/robert-kraft-had-several-telling-no-comments-in-interview/

 

[skop]

Exactly my sentiments.

I thought it should be more, but I can live with the punishment, provided it DOES NOT get lessened on appeal.

After the lying and obstruction that accompanied the cheating, if they knock even ONE GAME off it will be a travesty.

IMO, the reason it was for four games was because it should've been 8, but on appeal it would've been knocked to 4 or less. This gives Goodell, who put himself in the position to hear the appeal, to seem like a stalwart by not reducing the suspension when he hears the appeal.

I also want to see the press do their job, and ask why SP was banned for a year & BB wasn't.

 

[maxmet]

A key difference between this case and a bunch of others is that the coverup and lack of cooperation were disrespect to the league, to the shield. Also, the Pats were warned about cheating with balls before and did it again. And they were warned at the time of spygate not to cheat again.

The league is out of pocket 4-5 million for Ted Wells and team. And the Pats have given a finger to the league on the process. Cannot tolerate that.

So, I expect the league to stand its ground.

Combine that with the likely fact that the Pats and Brady dont want discovery, their paths to court are limited. I think Brady can find a way into court without discovery if he focuses NOT on the substance of the claim but on the process. That, assuming all the facts determined by the NFL, that the process was so flawed as to make the result unreasonable. As soon as he challenges any factual determinations, then it becomes highly likely that HE is subject to discovery - and indeed likely that the Pats are subject to discovery

So, if the NFL legal team wants to stand tall for the shield, they should have the means to do so.

 

[LIJETFAN]

I just read on ESPN that the Patriots and the league were working through "back channels" to try to resolve this situation. If the league backs-off the Patriots penalties, they lose all credibility with the fans. That would mean that Bob Kraft really does run the league and the Patriots can do whatever they want. Goodall needs to stick to his guns.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

I just read on ESPN that the Patriots and the league were working through "back channels" to try to resolve this situation. If the league backs-off the Patriots penalties, they lose all credibility with the fans. That would mean that Bob Kraft really does run the league and the Patriots can do whatever they want. Goodall needs to stick to his guns.

If they make a deal to let the Patriots off easy, I will not watch a single game this year other than my own team.

In fact other than the Jets, I won't watch another game ever again, because you are correct, it will now be firmly established that Bob Kraft runs the league and his team can do whatever they want too, with absolute impunity.

And they have the scumbag media in their hip pocket too, especially the scumbags at ESPN and all of these ex Patriot scumbags that have infested the media like lice.

The media especially MAKES ME SICK, because they're supposed to speak truth to power and protect the integrity of the game, instead they act like the Palace Guards for these f**king liars and cheaters, including that a-hole Mike Greenberg who has the balls to call himself a Jets fan ... what a friggin disgrace that guy is ... he has his head so far up Brady and Kraft's asses that he has a brown ring around his neck.

The media should be universally condemning these arrogant, cheating pr**ks, instead they are out there defending them and imploring Roger Goodell to cut them a break.

If there's a deal and the Pats get off with a slap on the wrist, its because the media worked overtime to orchestrate it.

F**KING SICKENING.