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Punishment is in
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Update: Brady hearing expected to last until 8:30-9. NFL will only issue statement afterwards. Hoping Kessler or Yee will talk.
He turns over his phone records and it "clears him". Will the records be destroyed like the videos the Patriots took.
Is there an independent party overseeing the proceedings? or will this be a whitewash, dog and pony show where they all come out smiles and tell the world the suspension is lifted. Brady satisfied any concerns the commissioners office had towards complying with the deflate gate process.
That to me would be utter bullshit.
I wonder how long Goodell deliberates before his rulingGary Myers @garymyersNYDN 18m18 minutes ago
Update: Brady hearing expected to last until 8:30-9. NFL will only issue statement afterwards. Hoping Kessler or Yee will talk.
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Rumors, since the Salem love fest is that Jim Gray has moved into Tammi 's bathhouse wing of his California McMansion.
No reports on who may be staying with Jizabella in her dominitrix wing
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-tom-brady-say-tom-brady-was-a-great-witness/
“Sources” who surely work for Tom Brady say Tom Brady was a great witness
Posted by Mike Florio on June 24, 2015, 10:52 AM EDT
Patriots quarterback Tom Brady hasn’t publicly addressed #DeflateGate since the Ted Wells report was released, heeding the advice of lawyer Jeffrey Kessler, who undoubtedly told Brady that anything he says can and will be used against him at the appeal hearing and in any subsequent litigation.
Brady addressed #DeflateGate on Tuesday, at his 10-hour appeal hearing. While the transcript won’t be released due to a confidentiality agreement, that agreement hasn’t stopped an unnamed source from gushing about Brady’s performance.
Adam Schefter of ESPN cites said source for this quote: “Tom Brady’s greatest ally today was Tom Brady.”
Citing unnamed “sources” (i.e., more than one), Schefter also said that Brady “came off as very genuine, earnest and persuasive, addressing every issue raised in the league-sanctioned Wells report.”
One source called it “an A-plus performance.”
With all due respect and deference to Schefter’s preference that members of the media not speculate on the identity of unnamed sources, it’s pretty clear that he’s getting his information from people in Brady’s camp. And it’s not really information; it’s a self-serving characterization from someone with an obvious bias in favor of Brady.
Unless, of course, one of the sources was Roger Goodell. If that’s the case, then this is pretty big news.
It’s surely not the case. The news here is that people paid to get Brady exonerated think he did a great job while testifying. Which ultimately doesn’t mean a thing.
“Sources” who surely work for Tom Brady say Tom Brady was a great witness
Posted by Mike Florio on June 24, 2015, 10:52 AM EDT
Patriots quarterback Tom Brady hasn’t publicly addressed #DeflateGate since the Ted Wells report was released, heeding the advice of lawyer Jeffrey Kessler, who undoubtedly told Brady that anything he says can and will be used against him at the appeal hearing and in any subsequent litigation.
Brady addressed #DeflateGate on Tuesday, at his 10-hour appeal hearing. While the transcript won’t be released due to a confidentiality agreement, that agreement hasn’t stopped an unnamed source from gushing about Brady’s performance.
Adam Schefter of ESPN cites said source for this quote: “Tom Brady’s greatest ally today was Tom Brady.”
Citing unnamed “sources” (i.e., more than one), Schefter also said that Brady “came off as very genuine, earnest and persuasive, addressing every issue raised in the league-sanctioned Wells report.”
One source called it “an A-plus performance.”
With all due respect and deference to Schefter’s preference that members of the media not speculate on the identity of unnamed sources, it’s pretty clear that he’s getting his information from people in Brady’s camp. And it’s not really information; it’s a self-serving characterization from someone with an obvious bias in favor of Brady.
Unless, of course, one of the sources was Roger Goodell. If that’s the case, then this is pretty big news.
It’s surely not the case. The news here is that people paid to get Brady exonerated think he did a great job while testifying. Which ultimately doesn’t mean a thing.
Also related to the possibility of Brady bringing the NFL to court is how long wireless providers retain cell phone records. Seem most retain them for a year or longer. Here's a graph:
This comes from the following article:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/05/22/how-long-cellphone-companies-store-your-call-records
This comes from the following article:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/05/22/how-long-cellphone-companies-store-your-call-records
Well, it seems we have conflicting rumors. Here's a quote from an article from cbs sports:
Brady apparently didn't speak or testify at the hearing, but was there until the "bitter end" and came off as an "A-plus, 10 kind of guy."
Here's the full article:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...xt-for-tom-brady-after-10-hour-appeal-hearing
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Wow
What an arrogant multiple cheating POS
Should have been banned for life the first time in 2008
What an arrogant multiple cheating POS
Should have been banned for life the first time in 2008
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Yea, what an ass. I hope the league comes down hard on him in the form of removing the special protection he gets from the refs. That's a sneaky little punishment that's harder to appeal. Imagine the Pats had to be held to the same set of rules as the Jets? Tom would have that little crybaby just smelled a bad fart look on his face all the time.
Guaranteed suspension is overturned. The NFL is a complete joke!! Goddell is even more of a joke. This is what happened...Craft said I will accept our penalty and stay quiet if you let Brady off hook.
"I would like to see [Brady's suspension] eliminated completely. I support this organization 100 percent."- Tedy Bruschi (CSNNE).
In his transition from player to ESPN analyst, Tedy Bruschi probably shouldn't "support" any NFL organization, since he's paid to analyze.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...action-to-tom-brady-testimony-not-as-glowing/
League’s reaction to Tom Brady testimony not as glowing
Posted by Mike Florio on June 24, 2015, 1:02 PM EDT
AP
Those paid to exonerate Patriots quarterback Tom Brady were wowed by his performance at Tuesday’s appeal hearing, #asexpected. Those who suspended him in the first place weren’t. #Asexpected.
Per a league source, Brady simply reiterated his denial regarding any involvement in or knowledge of whatever it was that John Jastremski and Jim McNally may have been doing with the team’s footballs. When pressed on certain facts relating to Brady’s potential knowledge or involvement, the answers were regarded by some in the room (i.e., some who aren’t paid to exonerate Brady) as not entirely credible.
Apparently, Brady’s case hinged heavily on attacking the science, under the broader umbrella of taking the position that: (1) he didn’t do anything wrong; and (2) Ted Wells can’t prove that Brady did. The question then becomes whether the NFL is willing to throw out the entire Wells report based on the flaws in the science (and the science is definitely flawed), or whether the NFL continues to be troubled by the Jastremski-McNally exchanges and Brady’s answers to questions about his interactions with either or both of them.
Most importantly, it’s unlikely that the Commissioner will fully exonerate Brady because the Commissioner nearly lost his job last year by not going far enough in disciplining a player. When the Commissioner goes too far, eventually having his decisions overturned by some independent party, he suffers little or no P.R. fallout.
That dynamic alone should tell us all which way the wind is howling on this one. And it provides further proof for the notion that last year’s Ray Rice debacle has left the Commissioner hopelessly conflicted in every single one of these cases.
With one path jeopardizing his job and the other path not triggering even a peep of substantial criticism, the smart play for Goodell will always be to uphold a suspension and let the player and his union fight for further reduction or outright elimination of it in court. And that’s the kind of inherent conflict that arguably makes Goodell unfit to be the final decision-maker in any of these cases.
League’s reaction to Tom Brady testimony not as glowing
Posted by Mike Florio on June 24, 2015, 1:02 PM EDT
AP
Those paid to exonerate Patriots quarterback Tom Brady were wowed by his performance at Tuesday’s appeal hearing, #asexpected. Those who suspended him in the first place weren’t. #Asexpected.
Per a league source, Brady simply reiterated his denial regarding any involvement in or knowledge of whatever it was that John Jastremski and Jim McNally may have been doing with the team’s footballs. When pressed on certain facts relating to Brady’s potential knowledge or involvement, the answers were regarded by some in the room (i.e., some who aren’t paid to exonerate Brady) as not entirely credible.
Apparently, Brady’s case hinged heavily on attacking the science, under the broader umbrella of taking the position that: (1) he didn’t do anything wrong; and (2) Ted Wells can’t prove that Brady did. The question then becomes whether the NFL is willing to throw out the entire Wells report based on the flaws in the science (and the science is definitely flawed), or whether the NFL continues to be troubled by the Jastremski-McNally exchanges and Brady’s answers to questions about his interactions with either or both of them.
Most importantly, it’s unlikely that the Commissioner will fully exonerate Brady because the Commissioner nearly lost his job last year by not going far enough in disciplining a player. When the Commissioner goes too far, eventually having his decisions overturned by some independent party, he suffers little or no P.R. fallout.
That dynamic alone should tell us all which way the wind is howling on this one. And it provides further proof for the notion that last year’s Ray Rice debacle has left the Commissioner hopelessly conflicted in every single one of these cases.
With one path jeopardizing his job and the other path not triggering even a peep of substantial criticism, the smart play for Goodell will always be to uphold a suspension and let the player and his union fight for further reduction or outright elimination of it in court. And that’s the kind of inherent conflict that arguably makes Goodell unfit to be the final decision-maker in any of these cases.
all this discussion about going to court seems hollow to me.
IF Brady goes to court he will first face a choice - has to pick one of these:
1. he can argue that based on the facts as determined by the Wells report and the rest of the evidence in the hands of the NFL, that it was unreasonable, a denial of due process, etc to punish him as he was punished. If he takes this sort of approach, he does not get to argue about whether the facts that were used by the NFL were accurate.
2. he can argue that the NFL got the facts wrong - present whatever facts and rebuttals he wants to present.
Approach #1 is a rather constrained approach.
Approach #2 has a big problem - once you start to argue about the facts then Brady and a bunch of other Pats employees, witnesses etc, have to give testimony under oath. First, they get deposed and then they testify in court. All documents and records get produced - including the phone and anything else the NFL can think of demanding within reason.
testimony under oath is a dicey thing unless you are really really innocent. And even if Brady actually is innocent, the testimony under oath may make the Pats look worse than they did coming out of the Wells report.
The NFL has smart lawyers - as does Brady - and they will all realize that this "I'll take you to court" thing isnt as simple as it sounds....
IF Brady goes to court he will first face a choice - has to pick one of these:
1. he can argue that based on the facts as determined by the Wells report and the rest of the evidence in the hands of the NFL, that it was unreasonable, a denial of due process, etc to punish him as he was punished. If he takes this sort of approach, he does not get to argue about whether the facts that were used by the NFL were accurate.
2. he can argue that the NFL got the facts wrong - present whatever facts and rebuttals he wants to present.
Approach #1 is a rather constrained approach.
Approach #2 has a big problem - once you start to argue about the facts then Brady and a bunch of other Pats employees, witnesses etc, have to give testimony under oath. First, they get deposed and then they testify in court. All documents and records get produced - including the phone and anything else the NFL can think of demanding within reason.
testimony under oath is a dicey thing unless you are really really innocent. And even if Brady actually is innocent, the testimony under oath may make the Pats look worse than they did coming out of the Wells report.
The NFL has smart lawyers - as does Brady - and they will all realize that this "I'll take you to court" thing isnt as simple as it sounds....
Also related to the possibility of Brady bringing the NFL to court is how long wireless providers retain cell phone records. Seem most retain them for a year or longer. Here's a graph:
This comes from the following article:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/05/22/how-long-cellphone-companies-store-your-call-records
Ok then I think it's safe to say that his records will be available as evidence in the unlikely event it goes to court
Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers 4h4 hours ago
"I would like to see [Brady's suspension] eliminated completely. I support this organization 100 percent."- Tedy Bruschi (CSNNE).
Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers 4h4 hours ago
In his transition from player to ESPN analyst, Tedy Bruschi probably shouldn't "support" any NFL organization, since he's paid to analyze.
It is seldom I so heartily agree with Leberfeld, but he is absolutely right.
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Tedy and Willie and especially Biff McFarland all should be fired by their respective networks since all of them are NOT journalists but PR flacks for the Kraft Organized Crime Family and should not be subsidized by ESPN or the NFL Network