QB problem Solved? Not this way

[jetgreen13]

[B[how exactly was petty gonna earn the backup job sitting on the bench last night?[/B]

maybe bowles wanted to see how petty responded to his mediocre giants game by giving him an extended look last night. i know that for some, by the sake of him not being geno smith, petty earned the backup job. based on what??? putting up nice numbers against washington's 3rd stringers?

so yes, it is silly to think bryce petty deserved to be in bubble wrap last night. the 4th pre-season game is exactly the time you play your inexperienced young QBs to get them reps in real game action (at least real compared to practice in scrimmages).

did you not read my post aside from "silly my ass??"

i said very clearly that bowles only played petty with & against fringe NFL players..

by playing him yet again last night with & against fringe NFL players there was nothing more to learn aside from how many times the kid could get blasted behind an awful OL before getting injured.. well, bowles got the answer he begged for.. how wonderful for petty..

again, where was petty's chance to take smith's job??

 

[hobson54]

so maybe petty should have played with the starters in the 2nd and 3rd games and not had fitz waste precious reps.

petty had the most reps of any jets QBs in pre-season games. do you want to expose the starters to injury to get petty reps with them? i don't think geno even got much (if any) playing time behind the starting line.

it stinks he got hurt. but it made all the sense in the world to give petty reps last night. he needs the work.

 

[jetgreen13]

so maybe petty should have played with the starters in the 2nd and 3rd games and not had fitz waste precious reps.

petty had the most reps of any jets QBs in pre-season games. do you want to expose the starters to injury to get petty reps with them? i don't think geno even got much (if any) playing time behind the starting line.

it stinks he got hurt. but it made all the sense in the world to give petty reps last night. he needs the work.

you continue to insinuate you've got this whole thing figured out.. perhaps you do.. perhaps not but perhaps.....

i maintain bowles butchered what was a farce of a backup QB competition..

but you find that "silly.."

yeah, well.. so bad, so sad..

 

[hobson54]

you continue to insinuate you've got this whole thing figured out.. perhaps you do.. perhaps not but perhaps.....

i maintain bowles butchered what was a farce of a backup QB competition..

but you find that "silly.."

yeah, well.. so bad, so sad..

i'm not the one accusing the coach of butchering anything, so i am not the one pretending to "have the whole thing figured out."

seems the one who is telling the coach what to do, what to not do, how to conduct a QB competition, etc..., is the one who thinks he has it all figured out. so yeah, i find that silly.

but then again, it seems this board is littered with know-it-all's.

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

I'm not really following what the issue/argument is. Given the makeup of this year's Jets there was simply no chance Macc and Bowles were going to be one play away from giving Petty the reigns to lead a veteran team like this.

After Hack threw the TD last week many on this site proclaimed him to the 'the future'. Not so fast. After a few good practices and preseason plays, Petty is suddenly NFL ready. He's not. One can argue that Geno isn't capable of leading this team if it came to that but that's a different topic entirely. Truth is Macc can probably find a better backup option with experience with Geno this week but he's not going to pay a backup $5-7mm.

If the strategy is to not play ANYONE of consequence (this season or next) in the fourth preseason game, well, that's just not practical. SOMEONE has to play and it's likely going to be a second year QB who hasn't proven anything yet.

The real issue here is just how dreadful the offensive line is. The starting right side is terrible and the backups wouldn't make the Alabama roster. With these guys, NO ONE is safe back there. There's the problem. Macc better address that this week or this promising season could be over early.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I'm not really following what the issue/argument is. Given the makeup of this year's Jets there was simply no chance Macc and Bowles were going to be one play away from giving Petty the reigns to lead a veteran team like this.

After Hack threw the TD last week many on this site proclaimed him to the 'the future'. Not so fast. After a few good practices and preseason plays, Petty is suddenly NFL ready. He's not. One can argue that Geno isn't capable of leading this team if it came to that but that's a different topic entirely. Truth is Macc can probably find a better backup option with experience with Geno this week but he's not going to pay a backup $5-7mm.

If the strategy is to not play ANYONE of consequence (this season or next) in the fourth preseason game, well, that's just not practical. SOMEONE has to play and it's likely going to be a second year QB who hasn't proven anything yet.

The real issue here is just how dreadful the offensive line is. The starting right side is terrible and the backups wouldn't make the Alabama roster. With these guys, NO ONE is safe back there. There's the problem. Macc better address that this week or this promising season could be over early.

The 2nd team offensive line looked bad last night. I'm not as worried about the starters. Personally, I don't think Qvale is too much of a downgrade from Breno Giacomini. Winters is serviceable at RG. Thor is still a top 5-8 center in this league. Carpenter is solid. Clady hasn't had any problems thus far.

Now if someone gets injured, then we might have a problem. I haven't been too impressed with Shell, Dozier, and the rest of the gang riding pine.

 

[DavidO]

Manish Mehta
Manish Mehta – Verified account ‏@MMehtaNYDN

Todd Bowles admits that it's "fair to say" that Geno Smith has secured the Jets No. 2 QB job.


I presume thats down to Petty being injured...?

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[BlindsideD'Brick]

i'm not the one accusing the coach of butchering anything, so i am not the one pretending to "have the whole thing figured out."

seems the one who is telling the coach what to do, what to not do, how to conduct a QB competition, etc..., is the one who thinks he has it all figured out. so yeah, i find that silly.

but then again, it seems this board is littered with know-it-all's.

Know-it-all's?

Which forum are you talking about?

:global (49):

 

[Old#15]

BTW - for those who question exposing Petty in a meaningless game, Brady played the entire first half against Giants. Even if he played with all of his starters, imagine if someone rolled up on one of his legs and he suffered a season ending injury. Coach BB said football players need to play to get better, or sharp in Brady's case.

 

[jetgreen13]

i'm not the one accusing the coach of butchering anything, so i am not the one pretending to "have the whole thing figured out."

seems the one who is telling the coach what to do, what to not do, how to conduct a QB competition, etc..., is the one who thinks he has it all figured out. so yeah, i find that silly.

but then again, it seems this board is littered with know-it-all's.

54, I'm stating my opinion (no more no less) on how i believe how bowles handled the QB situation.. do i feel strongly about it?? i do..

you on the other hand, you are pontificating what you find "silly" & telling people what makes "all the sense in the world.."

then out the of side of your mouth, you talk about all the "know it alls" here at JFU??

pot, meet kettle.....

 

[jetgreen13]

Manish Mehta
Manish Mehta – Verified account ‏@MMehtaNYDN

Todd Bowles admits that it's "fair to say" that Geno Smith has secured the Jets No. 2 QB job.


I presume thats down to Petty being injured...?

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honestly, with petty only playing behind a 3rd string OL all preseason, i don't believe bowles ever gave any real consideration to petty beating out smith for the backup job, IMO..

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

BTW - for those who question exposing Petty in a meaningless game ...

I don't question that at all, but what I do question and where I think my friend J13 has a point, IMO it was negligent of Bowles to stick any QB out there with Brandon Shell at LT. Petty would have been better off with a Wooden Indian protecting his blindside. The idea that Shell got Petty creamed was entirely predictable. Any fool could see that kid has as much ability to play LT in the NFL as I do, which is less than zero, and thats been apparent in all four preseason games. He has been getting beat like a drum all preseason. It was a miracle it took this long for him to get someone hurt.

That said, IMO when Bowles was rotating Ijalana and Qvale at RT, he should have been rotating them at LT too. So they should have been switching positions from series to series, but he should not have had Shell out there at LT to get somebody killed. This is a collision sport and that was playing Russian roulette with your QB's health.

 

[flgreen]

i'm not the one accusing the coach of butchering anything, so i am not the one pretending to "have the whole thing figured out."

seems the one who is telling the coach what to do, what to not do, how to conduct a QB competition, etc..., is the one who thinks he has it all figured out. so yeah, i find that silly.

but then again, it seems this board is littered with know-it-all's.

It does seem like the "Know it all" posts have taken a dramatic tick up in the last week or so. So there's that

 

[flgreen]

I don't question that at all, but what I do question and where I think my friend J13 has a point, IMO it was negligent of Bowles to stick any QB out there with Brandon Shell at LT. Petty would have been better off with a Wooden Indian protecting his blindside. The idea that Shell got Petty creamed was entirely predictable. Any fool could see that kid has as much ability to play LT in the NFL as I do, which is less than zero, and thats been apparent in all four preseason games. He has been getting beat like a drum all preseason. It was a miracle it took this long for him to get someone hurt.

That said, IMO when Bowles was rotating Ijalana and Qvale at RT, he should have been rotating them at LT too. So they should have been switching positions from series to series, but he should not have had Shell out there to get somebody killed. This is serious business and that was playing Russian roulette with your QB's health.

Agree.

Shell might someday be a decent OT, but he has been horrid this year.

It also, IMO, makes the argument that what petty did this year is devalued because it was done against 2-3rd stringers, a "silly" argument.

When you are hit from the blindside repeatedly by 300 + pounders, it doesn't matter if they are All Pro's , or bubble players. They are very large men.

IMO what Petty achieved this pre-season, under the type assault he was continually under, was very impressive. I don't think he saw 3/4 of the passes he completed as he was knocked to the ground.

I'm with JG13 on this, IMO Petty clearly won the QB non-competition, QB competition hands down. it sould have smith out there last night fighting for his job, and getting killed every time he dropped back.

What has smith shown this year to get a pass on the 4th game? Actually what has smith shown in his 29 starts that indicates there is any value to his having started 29 games?

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

FLG, you're preaching to the choir my friend, I'm 100% with you and J13 on this. I see no logical reason why it was Petty out there last night fighting for his life, and not Geno Smith. If results matter at all, even a little bit, Petty should have entered last night as the #2 Quarterback. IMO Bowles botched this backup QB situation from the get-go. IMO he never for one moment treated this like a legitimate competition. If he did, Petty would be the backup.

 

[lounap23]

Yeah I am not understanding what Bowles and the coaching staff are seeing to make Geno the #2 and Petty fighting for his roster spot/Life..

It's baffling

 

[Bronx]

The coaches watch all these quarterbacks every day in practice, and know them better than anyone here. Most fans can't tell Brett Ratliffe from Tom Brady in a PS game.

At least this puts an end to all the nonsense about Geno is the next coming of Satan, all the other quarterbacks hate him, all his teammates despise him, The coaches can't stand him and he is a worthless piece of sheet. Management made the call, you don't like it, therefore they botched it. Convenient



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[Green Jets & Ham]

The coaches watch all these quarterbacks every day in practice, and know them better than anyone here. Most fans can't tell Brett Ratliffe from Tom Brady in a PS game.

At least this puts an end to all the nonsense about Geno is the next coming of Satan, all the other quarterbacks hate him, all his teammates despise him, The coaches can't stand him and he is a worthless piece of sheet. Management made the call, you don't like it, therefore they botched it. Convenient

By no objective measure did Geno out-perform Petty in these preseason games, and by all accounts the same was true of training camp. From everything I can gather, this decision was based on one main criteria, experience, Geno has it and Petty doesn't. The fact that Geno has played about 30 Games in the NFL, and Petty has played zero, weighted heavily in Bowles decision. IMO its the only logical explanation for this decision based on everything we have seen in the preseason games and practices, and I feel like thats a flawed (chickenshit) way of thinking. Just because PLAYER A has more experience than PLAYER B, that doesn't mean he's a better player who gives you a better chance to win games.

For the record, this criticism is not specific to Todd Bowles. IMO a lot of coaches place too much emphasis on experience and not enough on talent, intangibles and ability, especially at the QB position.

 

[Bronx]

QB problem Solved? Not this way

Maybe he did outperform Geno, that's fine. The best competition Petty faced was against the Giants, we know that.

Regardless, they gave the job to who they felt was the better quarterback


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[jetgreen13]

FLG, you're preaching to the choir my friend, I'm 100% with you and J13 on this. I see no logical reason why it was Petty out there last night fighting for his life, and not Geno Smith. If results matter at all, even a little bit, Petty should have entered last night as the #2 Quarterback. IMO Bowles botched this backup QB situation from the get-go. IMO he never for one moment treated this like a legitimate competition. If he did, Petty would be the backup.

hammer, it really is frustrating for a lot of us here the way bowles conducted this so called backup QB compition.. it annoyed the hell out of me that bowles kept watching petty get bum rushed all preseason behind a "send in the clowns" OL lead by shell.. the same guys he didn't put smith in harms way once this preseason.. so the streak continues, smith still hasn't earned a damn thing in his NFL career, 4 years running..

i'm very hopeful this shoulder injury doesn't end up taking anything off petty's fastball..

& my confidence in bowles has been compromised..