Remember when we kept saying there's no Andrew Luck in this draft?

[mykcuz]

I could agree on that. This still does not justify losing games for higher draft picks IMO.

I don't advocate losing for the sake of it, you can't teach players that losing is acceptable when I say so.
But instead, if you rest anchor personal whose potential injuries could hurt you the following season. Or emphasizing playing time for younger players who need reps, which will give you more experienced depth in seasons to come.

The mentality of cutting risk, and maximizing teaching opportunity would result in losing an extra game or two without just telling your players go fumble the ball for a td.

The end result will be like the last pre season game. Resting important players, teaching of youth, better position in the draft.

The singular focus every year is winning the Lombardi trophy. If you are mathematically eliminated, I believe you need to change your game plan to give your team every advantage to win the next super bowl. Higher picks>lower picks. Health>injury.

 

[NickSINYC]

Why? What does that guarantee us? We have lots of needs. I'm just as comfortable with #6

If Luck was in this draft or Peyton Manning then Yea I would feel a lot better with the top pick but there is no one even close to that in this draft.

Finding a Luck or a Manning is almost impossible but finding a 2nd tier QB is not and they are good enough to win a Super Bowl.

 

[sg3]

Finding a Luck or a Manning is almost impossible but finding a 2nd tier QB is not and they are good enough to win a Super Bowl.

Unless, as now in 2015, that QB as good as a Luck or a Manning (or a Marino or Elway) is available at 6 for the Jets

Get the Duck

 

[NickSINYC]

Unless, as now in 2015, that QB as good as a Luck or a Manning (or a Marino or Elway) is available at 6 for the Jets

Get the Duck

I agree if he is there get the Duck.

 

[Old#15]

And because elite qbs are so rare top draft teams don't let the opportunity of drafting a franchise qb go.

And because of this teams reach for QBs with warts, thus the busts. Its the desperate teams that ignore or overlook the warts. Some of the problems are fixable, but the bottom feeders compound the problem by rushing the young QBs into the lineup. That is my big concern with the Jets drafting a guy like Mariota. I have no clue whether his deficiencies are fixable or not, but at a minimum he needs to sit and learn. What I do know is that this fanbase and media have demonstrated no patience for such a steep learning curve. For God's sake, he doesn't even know how to conduct a proper huddle. Compound that with a premium pick, and this could get very ugly.

 

[Jets31]

There is no no sense continuing this dialogue if you believe a 6th pick is as good as a 1st or 2nd pick

That's not what I said. Every draft is different and team needs change every year. I'm sorry I'm not all for the 1st pick and being forced to take a guy who isn't worth it.

At 6 I'm much more comfortable with risk or taking a chance. To clarify, if I can get Winston or Mariota at 6 then I'm probably all over it, at #1 not so much.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

And because elite qbs are so rare top draft teams don't let the opportunity of drafting a franchise qb go.

And because of this teams reach for QBs with warts, thus the busts. Its the desperate teams that ignore or overlook the warts. Some of the problems are fixable, but the bottom feeders compound the problem by rushing the young QBs into the lineup. That is my big concern with the Jets drafting a guy like Mariota. I have no clue whether his deficiencies are fixable or not, but at a minimum he needs to sit and learn. What I do know is that this fanbase and media have demonstrated no patience for such a steep learning curve. For God's sake, he doesn't even know how to conduct a proper huddle. Compound that with a premium pick, and this could get very ugly.

Pretty much how I feel, Old15.

I'm not "pro-Mariota" or "anti-Mariota". But there's a lot of truth in this post.

 

[Jets31]

Pretty much how I feel, Old15.

I'm not "pro-Mariota" or "anti-Mariota". But there's a lot of truth in this post.

I'm with you as well. If we grab him then great but I want him sitting. If its me I'd hand Geno the job right away and leave no question Mariota is sitting to learn.

 

[Savage69]

I heard the same story about Parcells refusing to guarantee Peyton he would be the #1 Pick, and if thats true, he did way more damage to this franchise with that one colossal mistake than all of the good he did in the few years he was here. That was the kind of mistake that alters the fate of your franchise for a generation!

Even Peytons Mom said he waited to hear but wanted to know before his college team started practice in April. He heard nothing so went back to school.. Did you notice they made sure Eli went to NY under a former Parcells guy in Coughlin?? The Tuna said he would coach for 3 years he didn't want a rookie QB to deal with..

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I'm with you as well. If we grab him then great but I want him sitting. If its me I'd hand Geno the job right away and leave no question Mariota is sitting to learn.

Depends on who you listen to: the fans or the coaching staff. Now, there may be a slight chance Mariota would beat of Geno right away, but not likely. Mariota's got a higher ceiling in several years, but Geno is further along just based on two full years experience as a starting QB in the NFL. If we take Mariota, I would predict he'll sit a year, and we get the "once and for all" verdict on Geno.

 

[Jets31]

Depends on who you listen to: the fans or the coaching staff. Now, there may be a slight chance Mariota would beat of Geno right away, but not likely. Mariota's got a higher ceiling in several years, but Geno is further along just based on two full years experience as a starting QB in the NFL. If we take Mariota, I would predict he'll sit a year, and we get the "once and for all" verdict on Geno.

This is exactly what should happen. With any luck we have a Bree's/rivers situation.

 

[Elias]

This is exactly what should happen. With any luck we have a Bree's/rivers situation.

I am okay with this. I trust Macc to make the right decision. I feel confident because we have a talent evaluator at the top for the first time since Bradway.

 

[jets82]

Even Peytons Mom said he waited to hear but wanted to know before his college team started practice in April. He heard nothing so went back to school.. Did you notice they made sure Eli went to NY under a former Parcells guy in Coughlin?? The Tuna said he would coach for 3 years he didn't want a rookie QB to deal with..

This is what most likely will happen and be in the best interest for the Jets. If he's there and the Jets drafted Mariota, I'm not quite sure Mariota beats out Geno his rookie year. That being the case, Geno gets his last shot under a new regime and Mariota sits and learns for a year. Gives him a chance to adjust all around and be ready for next year.

With any luck Geno plays fairly well and increases his trade value. Maybe then we can get a 3rd rounder for him at worst. Mariota then steps in next year ready to go. Doubt very very very seriously Geno blows the doors off this year but under a coaching staff and management that's 10 times better at the least of what we had, who knows.

Note: this post was in response to a different post. Didn't feel like reposting it.

 

[Savage69]

This is what most likely will happen and be in the best interest for the Jets. If he's there and the Jets drafted Mariota, I'm not quite sure Mariota beats out Geno his rookie year. That being the case, Geno gets his last shot under a new regime and Mariota sits and learns for a year. Gives him a chance to adjust all around and be ready for next year.

With any luck Geno plays fairly well and increases his trade value. Maybe then we can get a 3rd rounder for him at worst. Mariota then steps in next year ready to go. Doubt very very very seriously Geno blows the doors off this year but under a coaching staff and management that's 10 times better at the least of what we had, who knows.

I agree with everything except the highlighted part.. Ok if Bowles makes 2 AFCCG's his first 2 years I agree he up there with the only other HC that did..LOL

 

[Mainejet]

Hopefully we land Mariota at 6 because he is going to be a far better NFL QB than Winston IMO and allow us to finally rid the Jets of the stench of Suckchez/Geno that has been hanging over the Jets for the last six full seasons.

It will be great to watch our first elite NFL QB since the late 60s in action

Walton blew our chance at Marino, Parcells blew our chance at Peyton...Hopefully Macc finally hits the jackpot in April

AGREED. I've heard enough about Winston's off the field troubles. There's also a saying that goes, "Where there's smoke, there's fire". Too many accusations have been leveled against Winston for at least some of it to be true. Either that or he is hanging out simple minded fools that are getting him into trouble. Even if that is the case, it constitutes, "Guilt by association". Either way it is enough to say no thanks to him. The Jets should take Mariota if he is available.
And if Mariota turns out to be the real deal, he won't be the first the Jets have had since the late 60's. Kenny O'Brien was the best QB statistically the Jets ever had even better than Namath.

 

[sg3]

AGREED. I've heard enough about Winston's off the field troubles. There's also a saying that goes, "Where there's smoke, there's fire". Too many accusations have been leveled against Winston for at least some of it to be true. Either that or he is hanging out simple minded fools that are getting him into trouble. Even if that is the case, it constitutes, "Guilt by association". Either way it is enough to say no thanks to him. The Jets should take Mariota if he is available.
And if Mariota turns out to be the real deal, he won't be the first the Jets have had since the late 60's. Kenny O'Brien was the best QB statistically the Jets ever had even better than Namath.

But much worse than Marino who we stupidly passed on to draft OB

 

[Savage69]

AGREED. I've heard enough about Winston's off the field troubles. There's also a saying that goes, "Where there's smoke, there's fire". Too many accusations have been leveled against Winston for at least some of it to be true. Either that or he is hanging out simple minded fools that are getting him into trouble. Even if that is the case, it constitutes, "Guilt by association". Either way it is enough to say no thanks to him. The Jets should take Mariota if he is available.
And if Mariota turns out to be the real deal, he won't be the first the Jets have had since the late 60's. Kenny O'Brien was the best QB statistically the Jets ever had even better than Namath.

That 80's team should have had Marino with the Sack exchange plus Walker,Toon,Shuler,Freeman,Hector etc.. You can't fairly compare any QB before the 1978 rule changes to the post 1978 era offenses.. Kenny had 2 good years never won a playoff game(Pat Ryan did) or ran for a td..And Vinny had the best year statistically then any Jet QB..

PS What the hell is the zombie doing in my post?? If I wanted people messing with my posts I would still be on Ragu's board..

 

[Elias]

AGREED. I've heard enough about Winston's off the field troubles. There's also a saying that goes, "Where there's smoke, there's fire". Too many accusations have been leveled against Winston for at least some of it to be true. Either that or he is hanging out simple minded fools that are getting him into trouble. Even if that is the case, it constitutes, "Guilt by association". Either way it is enough to say no thanks to him. The Jets should take Mariota if he is available.
And if Mariota turns out to be the real deal, he won't be the first the Jets have had since the late 60's. Kenny O'Brien was the best QB statistically the Jets ever had even better than Namath.

Namath threw for 4,000 in a 14-game season. He was the first QB to do so. If he wasn't hurt, he probably would have had way better stats. He's before my time but he gets major respect for what he did and is by far and away our best QB.

EDIT: Removed G&P reference.

 

[Savage69]

Namath threw for 4,000 in a 14-game season and when ground and pound was the dominant style of offense. He was the first QB to do so. If he wasn't hurt, he probably would have had way better stats. He's before my time but he gets major respect for what he did and is by far and away our best QB.

G&P was not the dominant style in the AFL in the 60's passing was especially long ball passing..That's what set the AFL apart from the 3 yds and a cloud of dust NFL.. It's the reason I became a Titan fan in 1960 at the young age of 16..

 

[Elias]

G&P was not the dominant style in the AFL in the 60's passing was especially long ball passing..That's what set the AFL apart from the 3 yds and a cloud of dust NFL.. It's the reason I became a Titan fan in 1960 at the young age of 16..

I stand corrected.