REX RYAN THREAD: Latest story: Mario Williams sounds off on Bills Defensive Scheme

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ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- The Bills are 3-3. And in the AFC, that leaves their season very much alive and well.

But for the second time this year, Rex Ryan's defense allowed an offense to come into Ralph Wilson Stadium, seize control of the pace and tenor of game, and break 30 points on the vaunted group. Worse yet, it's the quarterbacks in question -- Tom Brady and Andy Dalton -- who've been in command when faced with a defensive line comprised of a quartet of accomplished and handsomely-paid pass rushers.

That hasn't been lost on Mario Williams.

"The biggest difference I see, you look at the last few years and obviously our numbers, to speak of the guys in our room, the D-line, we're going," Williams told NFL.com late Sunday after the game. "We're playing the run, we're playing the pass. When you look at the numbers from last year and compare them to this year, we're dropping a lot."



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The Bills came into Sunday's game ranked 27th in sacks per pass attempt, and failed to register one on Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton during Cincinnati's 34-21 win. Buffalo has nine sacks on the season, putting them on a 16-game pace for 24.

Led by Mario Williams, Kyle Williams, Marcell Dareus and Jerry Hughes -- a group now on contracts worth a total of about $50 million per year -- the Bills were first in the NFL with 54 sacks a year ago.

"I don't know if it's the look, what they're putting us in, but you have four guys who've been known to get after the quarterback and are disruptive against the run and making tackles for losses and all that," Williams said. "Now, 90 percent of the time, you only have three of us. Either one guy is gone or ..."

Williams was then asked if it was missed assignments. He responded, "No, it's the call. You got three guys going, you got three guys. Obviously, we're gonna go back and look at it and see how many times that guy drops or how many times I drop, how many times there are just three of us doing this or that. That's the difference. I mean, it is a difference. I'm not using it as an excuse, but it is a difference. It's not the same as far as that goes."

The Bills face the Jaguars in London this week. That's followed by their bye and an all-important stretch of three consecutive division games.

It was expected that, early on, the offense would take time to find itself. The defense wasn't expected to need much adjustment.

"It's simple, those four guys, no matter what else we do, y'all are going," said Williams. "I know for a fact, and I'm not questioning anything, but I know for a fact, I drop a lot myself. And I think last week, watching the film, Kyle dropped six-, seven-plus (times). You can go down the line and say the same thing. Marcell (Dareus) typically doesn't, but Jerry does. You got guys that you're saying gotta be disruptive and get after the quarterback.

"It might not even mean being aggressive. It's just, us four, we need to go. I mean, we have a lot at stake because of who we are, who we've been, the amount of money this team put in up front. You gotta let 'em go, or what's the point of it?"

Asked whether he'd approach Ryan with his concerns, Williams said that neither he nor his linemates would make demands of the coaches.

It's just clear to them changes are needed.

"At the end of the day, the defensive scheme, we either gotta tweak it or figure out what can we do now to change what we do to accommodate it," he said.
 

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I never understood why players don't speak directly with the coach but go straight to the media. Totally dumb on their part....

Rex is in trouble. He is going to lose the fan base and more importantly the team if he doesn't turn things around. Funny thing is when he took the job this offseason he kind of insulted Jim Schwartz blabbing to the media and telling them that he thought the Bills' defense under performed last year and that he would have them playing better. He is wrong.....
 

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Rex is in trouble. He is going to lose the fan base and more importantly the team if he doesn't turn things around. Funny thing is when he took the job this offseason he kind of insulted Jim Schwartz blabbing to the media and telling them that he thought the Bills' defense under performed last year and that he would have them playing better. He is wrong.....

Personally don't see how Rex lasts more than one year.

But what's even more amazing is the first post of this thread commented on the possibility of the Bills and Jets "swapping coaches". We'll never know how Marrone would have done here, but I for one cannot find the words to express how thankful I am things turned out like they did . . .
 

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I never understood why players don't speak directly with the coach but go straight to the media. Totally dumb on their part....

Rex is in trouble. He is going to lose the fan base and more importantly the team if he doesn't turn things around. Funny thing is when he took the job this offseason he kind of insulted Jim Schwartz blabbing to the media and telling them that he thought the Bills' defense under performed last year and that he would have them playing better. He is wrong.....

Wait a second...

Rex Ryan's team is coming out flat and undisciplined?

Don't worry Bills fans. He'll reassure all of you next week about how you'll go out there and push everyone around, and not take any crap from anyone!

:smiley-finger007:
 

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Personally don't see how Rex lasts more than one year.

But what's even more amazing is the first post of this thread commented on the possibility of the Bills and Jets "swapping coaches". We'll never know how Marrone would have done here, but I for one cannot find the words to express how thankful I am things turned out like they did . . .

Yes, I cannot agree with you any more. I am happy that we didn't get Marrone. Bowles has been freaking great. Not to mention, Chan Gailey has been fantastic at calling plays. I haven't disagreed with him much. Over the last 15 years, we've had crappy OCs - Hackett, Schotty, Sporano, Marty. Gailey is a breath of fresh air. I know he has elite talent on the team but he's making the right calls. Even using Ivory as a pass catcher!
 

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Well - what does the board think, about MWilliams being "tradeable" or dumpable, for Rex? Would Rex come hard (lol) for Mo96?

I wonder what Mac is thinking...
 
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Williams is saying Rex took the best 4-3 DL in football and turned into a 3-4. Rex just loves to fit square pegs into round holes.
 

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Rex will last more than one year, but it won't be long after that.

You're probably right, but this is pretty early for the "honeymoon period" to already be over with many fans (and apparently players).

I don't think the Bills consider themselves to be that far away, so if they think the coach is holding them back I doubt they wait long to pull the plug (unless he has something on them like he did with Woody) . . .
 
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i really don't even care anymore what he does i know and soon everyone will know he is not a good HC which I have always said.
 

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Wait a second...

Rex Ryan's team is coming out flat and undisciplined?

Don't worry Bills fans. He'll reassure all of you next week about how you'll go out there and push everyone around, and not take any crap from anyone!

:smiley-finger007:

We are so fortunate to have a serious HC in Bowels
 

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Williams is saying Rex took the best 4-3 DL in football and turned into a 3-4. Rex just loves to fit square pegs into round holes.

He's right! Unless you have a dominant NT, and athletic LBs, you give up the field, you give up coverage, and you alienate your D from coverage sacks.

If Rex were the D guru he purported to be, he'd let those horses do what they do, and scheme blitzes off of the foursome...if he's going to rush 6 anyway, why does he care if his front four has their fists in the ground?

His blitzes aren't exotic anymore, they're mundane & expected.
 

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He's right! Unless you have a dominant NT, and athletic LBs, you give up the field, you give up coverage, and you alienate your D from coverage sacks.

If Rex were the D guru he purported to be, he'd let those horses do what they do, and scheme blitzes off of the foursome...if he's going to rush 6 anyway, why does he care if his front four has their fists in the ground?

His blitzes aren't exotic anymore, they're mundane & expected.

The league has caught up to his blitzes and scheme. unfortunately, he's too stubborn to realize and change his defense.
 

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The league has caught up to his blitzes and scheme. unfortunately, he's too stubborn to realize and change his defense.

and the truth is that he can change. He did it in 2010 when the Jets played INDY & NE. He switched to a coverage team.

He can get away with it a lot of the time with the watered down QB play in the league, but not against the better Q's. They get past the frightening looks and realize how much he gives you.
 

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Rex is better suited to running a phase of a team such as defense instead of running a team. It's one thing sitting in all the meetings and agreeing with the plan, then it is to actually give input to the other phases. And he still hasn't learned how to control his house. Stuff like this should never get out. He's not holding people accountable. He's more into rah rah players and allowing double standards when it comes to rules. His strength is strictly entertainment. He'll hang around because the owners aren't sick of him yet.
 

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You're probably right, but this is pretty early for the "honeymoon period" to already be over with many fans (and apparently players).

I don't think the Bills consider themselves to be that far away, so if they think the coach is holding them back I doubt they wait long to pull the plug (unless he has something on them like he did with Woody) . . .

Good point. He can change but doesn't really do it as often as he does. I was a big Rex Ryan fan but as time progresses and we are separating from his era, I realize he was extremely flawed.

I went on a bills forum the other day to read what they think of Rex and many of them are pissed and have listed the same issues we've had with him here. The Bills can't cover the tight end and can't get off the field on third downs. Their sack totals and turnover are down as well. Many are complaining that he is playing people out of position to fit his scheme.


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Ryan talks good game, but has no answers

Bills head coach Rex Ryan displayed little of the swagger and confidence that has come to define him after a 34-21 loss to the Cincinnati Bengals.
James P. McCoy/Buffalo News
By Bucky Gleason

Updated 12:50 PM
October 19, 2015


If you didn’t know any better, you would have thought Rex Ryan had just returned from the schoolyard with his shirt torn and lip bloodied Sunday. Suddenly gone was the swagger and confidence that extended across Bills Nation and the bravado that had come to define him.

Ryan looked and sounded like a humbled man after watching the Bengals deliver a convincing smack down in a 34-21 victory over the Bills in Ralph Wilson Stadium.

He rode the injury excuse for all he could in a shallow attempt to make Buffalo’s shoddy performance easier to swallow than overall failure.

The same man who refused to kiss Bill Belichick’s rings practically gushed over a Cincinnati team that hasn’t won a playoff game in a quarter century. He moaned about his players taking dumb penalties, of course, and accepted blame for not effectively using all four members of his Quarter Billion Club.

Mistakes?

“I can’t count right now how many real mistakes we made,” Ryan said. “Maybe one or two on defense.”

Only one or two? Did he mean one or two dozen? The Bills gave up 34 points and allowed the Bengals to score four touchdowns on four trips to the red zone. Imagine the unsightliness if they made three or four against the Bengals. They might have lost by 50.

It was just Rex being Rex, of course, unfiltered as usual. He wasn’t kidding anyone but himself. He certainly didn’t fool the 69,593 watching from the stands and across Western New York and beyond.

How about we cut through the nonsense and face the cold and simple truth: For all his bluster, the Bills are no better under Ryan through six weeks than they were last season while finishing 9-7 under Doug Marrone. And they might actually be worse when all the variables are considered.

Look at the results.

It was as if somebody pulled back the curtain on the wizard Sunday, revealing that Ryan is like many coaches who rolled through Buffalo and ultimately failed over the last 15 seasons. Ryan talks a good game, but he hasn’t come up with any real answers to turn this team into a playoff team.

Buffalo is fortunate to be 3-3 going into the Jacksonville game in London, which is no gimme. Tyrod Taylor came to the rescue in the fourth quarter last week against Tennessee. The Titans were blown out Sunday by the Dolphins, who were an utter mess and fired their coach shortly after the Bills beat them. It’s much harder to find seven wins than it was a week ago.

Ryan pressed all the right buttons when he was hired. He had a pulse of the community and Bills fans in the palm of his hand. People gave him the benefit of doubt because they desperately wanted to believe in him. Bills fans are a hearty and forgiving bunch, but they don’t take kindly to getting snowed.

Rex doesn’t understand the idea that the very people who embraced him two months ago will turn on him in a heartbeat. You have to wonder how many are running out of patience with Rex and nearing their breaking point. The Bills’ performance Sunday unveiled a team far from playoff contention no matter their record.

To be clear, the Bills’ loss to the undefeated Bengals wasn’t shocking. It was expected. It wasn’t that they lost but how they lost that served as a swift kick to the stomach.

Their vaunted defense failed to produce a sack. Andy Dalton had enough time to drop back and take a nap on several passing plays.

The truth about Rex is starting to emerge.

Mario Williams and Jerry Hughes made it abundantly clear that they’re not thrilled with the defensive scheme. Williams delivered the message Sunday while reiterating how players can only execute the defenses called from the sidelines. They should be frustrated. They know good defense. The Bills had an elite unit last season.

And that falls on Rex. He’s the head coach. He has been hailed as a defensive whiz. He practically screamed from the rooftops that the Bills would be better on defense than they were last year. It’s laughable, along with the idea that the Bills would be committed to running the ball.

Ryan claimed he never used the term “ground and pound” but the implication was obvious. The Bills were making a concerted effort to play smash-mouth football.

So far, there has been too much mouth and not enough smash. Looking back, it all sounds like senseless blather.

The offense still isn’t good enough to become a playoff team, and the defense doesn’t compare to last year’s unit. The special teams are among the worst in the league. The Bills can’t get through a game without somebody taking a mind-blowing penalty on one of their coverage teams.

Ron Brooks had the honors Sunday when he was flagged for taunting Adam Jones after making a tackle on punt coverage. What, did little Ronnie forget to wear his “yes sir” reminder bracelet? It was unnecessary, unintelligent and unprofessional. And it has become typical.

The Bills might as well use a picture of Brooks standing over Jones in their marketing campaign. After all, it’s a reflection of what they have become under Ryan and his coaching staff, which is either unwilling or incapable of instilling the discipline required to win consistently in this league.

If players can’t control their emotions after getting juvenile reminders such as bracelets and pushups, maybe they don’t belong in the NFL.

Then again, if the Bills cut everyone who committed a ridiculous penalty, they would play shorthanded. The Bills took three penalties on one kickoff in a loss to the Patriots. Last week, they had a fumble recovery on the opening kickoff wiped out when Marcus Easley was called for offside.

And then there’s Denarius Moore, who called a fair catch at his own 4-yard line in another embarrassing moment Sunday. Let me guess, he wanted to spare the Bills the indignity of the Bengals downing the ball at the 3. Mindless mistakes like that make you wonder if the players are getting the proper guidance.

It starts with Ryan, who was humbled Sunday in defeat.

And he looked the part.

http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/10/18/ryan-talks-good-game-but-has-no-answers/
 
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