Rodney Harrison Slams Geno Smith, Jets

[HYATT™]

He may be "captain obvious" but it's amazing how many Jets fans, many of which are on this forum, would rather have us taking a RB or WR or OL in the first 3 rounds instead of drafting a QB.

The more sensible among us realize the Jets' shot at Winston or Mariota is right up there with a snowball's chances in hell, frankly, so we concentrate on the possible, rather than bemoan the highly improbable/impossible.

HYATT™ doesn't disagree that the Jets should draft 1 or 2 QBs, but the way QB "valuation" works in the NFL draft is that the franchise potential QBs go off in Rd 1 and early Rd 2, with backups and project diamond mine lumps of coal slipping all the way down to the C-Picks in Rd 6 and anywhere in Rd 7.
The Jets have 2 Rd 7 picks, one of which should DEFINITELY be spent on a QB, (S. Alabama's Bridge was HYATT™'s suggestion), with possibly a snagging of Mannion if he's still around at #104 in Rd 4.

Not that HYATT™ believes Mannion will slip past Rd 2, but he might, in which case the value is good for the selection at #104, though not outweighing the value of other players at other positions for the Rd 3-#70 pick.

 

[Mainejet]

Analyst Rodney Harrison, ex-Patriot, slams Geno Smith, Jets

March, 28, 2015
MAR 28
10:15
AM ET
By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com

NBC studio analyst Rodney Harrison doesn't think much of the New York Jets' headline-making offseason. He believes they're doomed to a five-win or six-win season as long as Geno Smith is the quarterback.

Co-hosting NBC's "Under Center" radio show on Friday, Harrison unloaded on the Jets and their third-year quarterback. He might not be the most objective guy in the room, considering he played for the Patriots, but his comments are so strong, they're worth a mention.

“You can say whatever you want about Darrelle Revis -- and I do believe he’s the best cornerback in the league -- but Darrelle Revis has not thrown a touchdown pass," Harrison said. "He’s not your quarterback. Yes, he can shut down a No. 1 receiver, but they need a quarterback. The Jets are, all of a sudden, on a high, thinking they’re going to win a championship. You’re not going to win a championship -- you’re not even going to make the playoffs -- because you don’t have a quarterback.

"If you go into the season and you’re expecting Geno Smith to improve, it’s not going to happen," he added. "He might get a little better, but when times get tough, when adversity hits, guess what he’s going to do? He’s going to fold just like the last couple years. I don’t believe in Geno Smith. I think this is a huge mistake. Hopefully in this draft, they try to address this quarterback situation, because if they go into the season with Geno Smith, they might win five or six games.”

You get the impression he doesn't like the Jets?

Not surprisingly, Harrison supported the Patriots' decision not to re-sign Revis, saying, "Bill [Belichick], he’s not going to sell the farm for Darrelle Revis, because as good as Darrelle is, you know in a year or two maybe Darrelle is not going to be quite the same player he was this past season for the New England Patriots. So I believe that was the right move to make.”

For Harrison's full commentary on the state of the AFC East, check out Mike Reiss at ESPNBoston.com.

This is so stupid. The automatic response on the part of the media and NYers is to say, "Well, he doesn't like the Jets. He's a Jet hater."

JUST LIKE... When people criticize the president for being an incompetent dumb A$$, they AUTOMATICALLY get labeled as a racist.

The typical stupid means that any loser resorts to. In other words, the truth is not the truth. It's what the LOSER says it is. DUMB.

I am a lifelong Jets fan. I bleed green and hope and pray that this team can win a SB before I die. It would truly make me a happy man.

I also have absolutely NO problem with what Rodney Harrison is saying because it is the TRUTH. It's exactly what I have been posting for a while now. The NFL is a QB driven league and the Jets have NO shot with their poor excuse for QB's right now. Geno Smith does absolutely SUCK. He's beyond terrible. And like Harrison said, he may get a little better, but NEVER good enough to lead this team to the promised land.

It's also a big fat DITTO for Ryan Fitzpatrick. That's another useless POS QB that will inevitably spell out the Jets doom.

I'm also a big Obama hater. I think the guy is more useless than t*ts on a bull. But I guess that must make me a RACIST, right?

 

[SackExchange]

What is the point of interjecting your politics into this?

 

[SackExchange]

Rodney Harrison is just one of the biggest cheap shot artists of his generation. That he still takes the company line of the cheapest organization in the history of the league is not surprising.

I think the Jets, though, need a QB who will throw twice as many TDs as INTs, with a completion rate above 63%. They don't need Tom Brady, but maybe someone close to him in passer rating? Maybe within three points or so? That would help this team.

 

[Mainejet]

He may be "captain obvious" but it's amazing how many Jets fans, many of which are on this forum, would rather have us taking a RB or WR or OL in the first 3 rounds instead of drafting a QB.

We have a lot of people in denial that think we're going to be ok with what we have behind center.

I realize that there is no guarantee that drafting someone will pan out and he will become our elusive franchise guy. But I also realize that unless we do draft someone, we damn sure are guaranteed NOT to have a franchise guy. And until we start taking some risks and bringing new guys in, we will never have one.

So, ya, it's a bit maddening when thinking about the idea of going into next year with just Geno and Fitz and absolutely no one to get excited about for the future. We draft Petty and at least that is someone that can give us hope. I think the minimum return we would get on him would be far better than anything we will get with Geno.

100% correct, pointdexter. The point is, whether we truly believe in this crop of QB's or not, we still MUST take the risk. There are some constants going into this draft. 1) The Jets do NOT the talent necessary at QB to being any better than 7-9 as an absolute ceiling. Ryan Fitzpatrick has never gotten any team he's QBed past that mark. NY will NOT be any different. I also do not believe Geno Smith will ever do it. 2) Unless, we draft a QB and take a chance we'll NEVER become a championship caliber team. We'll never even sniff the playoffs this season. If we took a QB and the guy actually played well late in the season, we COULD possibly make a playoff run.

Without drafting QB, we already know how this season will turn out and I can guarantee you it will not be pleasant.

 

[Mainejet]

What is the point of interjecting your politics into this?

It's called comparing the similarities to make an analogy. There's many instances where rather than acknowledging the problem, the person guilty of the problem, would rather label you as something and cover up their own problems. Thereby, they do not have to listen to uncomplimentary speech. It's a typical defense mechanism which a lot of society uses.

Obama critics are NEVER given any respect, they are labeled as racists. They are labeled that way because they do not have anything to combat what the critics is saying. Same thing here.

Rodney Harrison speaks the truth. Jets fans do not want to hear it, so they use the angle that he played for the Patsies and he is a Jet hater.

I'd imagine if this had been say, Solomon Wilcots for example criticizing the team, everyone would contend that he ISN'T a real Jets fan. Meanwhile, nothing could be farther from the truth.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

It's called comparing the similarities to make an analogy. There's many instances where rather than acknowledging the problem, the person guilty of the problem, would rather label you as something and cover up their own problems. Thereby, they do not have to listen to uncomplimentary speech. It's a typical defense mechanism which a lot of society uses.

Obama critics are NEVER given any respect, they are labeled as racists. They are labeled that way because they do not have anything to combat what the critics is saying. Same thing here.

Rodney Harrison speaks the truth. Jets fans do not want to hear it, so they use the angle that he played for the Patsies and he is a Jet hater.

I'd imagine if this had been say, Solomon Wilcots for example criticizing the team, everyone would contend that he ISN'T a real Jets fan. Meanwhile, nothing could be farther from the truth.

Didn't know he was a Jet fan. Do you know him personally?

 

[flgreen]

I'm also a big Obama hater. I think the guy is more useless than t*ts on a bull. But I guess that must make me a RACIST, right?

Maybe he can play QB? Got the tools. Tall slim, deceptive

 

[Bigmoe]

Maybe he can play QB? Got the tools. Tall slim, deceptive

Nah
He plays basketball
Non racist
:im-outta-here-bye-b:im-outta-here-bye-b

 

[Elias]

Nah
He plays basketball
Non racist
:im-outta-here-bye-b:im-outta-here-bye-b

Lol.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

I'm so tired of all these ex Patriots on ESPN, NBC, the NFLN etc., it makes it hard to watch these shows and I find myself watching less and less. Don't these networks realize how much people hate these arrogant p***ks?

As for Harrison's rant, he doesn't know WTF he's talking about. I don't give a damn if he played pro football or if he's going to the HOF, his rant is totally illogical, he doesn't even understand the basic fundamentals of QB development. If he says there's no way a young QB can improve in year three, that what you saw in the first two years is what you get, thats definitely the finished product, he's a f**king idiot. Even if he turns out to be right, his thought process here is illogical.

You know who gets it ... Curtis Conway on the NFLN who said, "people have to stop giving these young QB's up for dead after their first year or two in the league, its absurd, give them a chance to develop!"

 

[Mainejet]

I'm so tired of all these ex Patriots on ESPN, NBC, the NFLN etc., it makes it hard to watch these shows and I find myself watching less and less. Don't these networks realize how much people hate these arrogant p***ks?

As for Harrison's rant, he doesn't know WTF he's talking about. I don't give a damn if he played pro football or if he's going to the HOF, his rant is totally illogical, he doesn't even understand the basic fundamentals of QB development. If he says there's no way a young QB can improve in year three, that what you saw in the first two years is what you get, thats definitely the finished product, he's a f**king idiot. Even if he turns out to be right, his thought process here is illogical.

You know who gets it ... Curtis Conway on the NFLN who said, "people have to stop giving these young QB's up for dead after their first year or two in the league, its absurd, give them a chance to develop!"

But that's NOT what he said, Ham, You're putting words in his mouth, just so you can criticize what he said.

What he's saying, Is Geno Smith has shown nothing to give anyone confidence he can lead this team. He thinks he can improve from his current god awful state of play, but his ceiling will NEVER be that of a franchise QB.

That is likely what EVERYONE with any amount of common sense is saying about Geno already. It's obvious. Geno has shown even less glimpses of potential than Mark Sanchez had at the same juncture. Therefore, it's easy to say this guy will NEVER be a top QB in this league, otherwise we would have seen something to indicate that. What we now KNOW is Geno Smith could possibly at his very best be a stop gap guy until we find a franchise QB. A guy that can truly lead this team and compete with the best teams in the league.

He goes on to say, that adding Darrelle Revis means nothing in the scheme of things unless they can find that QB that every teams needs/covets. Because it doesn't matter how many interceptions Revis comes away with, if our starting QB is turning the ball over at a league high rate, we'll never get better.

I completely agree with what he's saying. He's actually telling it like it is. He is performing a REVOLUTIONARY ACT as it says in your signature. Actually, it is quite refreshing and something all Jets fans NEED to hear.

It is the objective truth for which we find ourselves. The ONLY way that improves is to do exactly what Harrison is claiming and that is, "GET BETTER AT THE QB POSITION". It's that simple.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Hey, MaineJet. Did you notice I asked you further up the thread about Solomon Wilcots? How do you know he is a Jet fan?

 

[JetsMakeMeCry]

But that's NOT what he said, Ham, You're putting words in his mouth, just so you can criticize what he said.

What he's saying, Is Geno Smith has shown nothing to give anyone confidence he can lead this team. He thinks he can improve from his current god awful state of play, but his ceiling will NEVER be that of a franchise QB.

That is likely what EVERYONE with any amount of common sense is saying about Geno already. It's obvious. Geno has shown even less glimpses of potential than Mark Sanchez had at the same juncture. Therefore, it's easy to say this guy will NEVER be a top QB in this league, otherwise we would have seen something to indicate that. What we now KNOW is Geno Smith could possibly at his very best be a stop gap guy until we find a franchise QB. A guy that can truly lead this team and compete with the best teams in the league.

He goes on to say, that adding Darrelle Revis means nothing in the scheme of things unless they can find that QB that every teams needs/covets. Because it doesn't matter how many interceptions Revis comes away with, if our starting QB is turning the ball over at a league high rate, we'll never get better.

I completely agree with what he's saying. He's actually telling it like it is. He is performing a REVOLUTIONARY ACT as it says in your signature. Actually, it is quite refreshing and something all Jets fans NEED to hear.

It is the objective truth for which we find ourselves. The ONLY way that improves is to do exactly what Harrison is claiming and that is, "GET BETTER AT THE QB POSITION". It's that simple.

Maine, nobody is discounting the relevance of his point about Geno, its how he said it that irritates. He states that the jets think they're going to win a championship now. I haven't heard 1 person related to the jets verbalize that. I haven't even heard a jet claim we're a playoff team. Harrison is a pats jackass that is letting his bias interfere with reality. That's what bothers me. Bill is a genious for letting revis walk. He would have also been a genius in Rodney's eyes if he paid him. This type of double standard makes his credibility very low.

Look, if I went to Alaska and asked a random Eskimo who's never seen a football game if Geno is a reliable qb, he'd tell me no. Rod isn't dropping some amazing revelation on us. But his credibility goes downhill when he makes up statements and puts words in the jets mouths while polishing the pats collective knob. Therefore, I'm with ham and am still holding out some hope for this kid but I also believe the jets will still bring in a qb in this draft to compete. In the meantime I agree that these pats players turned media are the most irritating thing on earth. You'll never hear Rodney's thoughts on the cheating/scumbaggery that the pats continue to pull.

 

[Mainejet]

Hey, MaineJet. Did you notice I asked you further up the thread about Solomon Wilcots? How do you know he is a Jet fan?

I listen to SiriusXM radio. NFL radio in particular has various shows with former players, coaches, media, etc. Solomon Wilcots has been a guest on the "Morning Drive" several times. He has made it known that he grew up in I think NY? And he was always a Jets fan.

I like Solomon Wilcots. I have always respected what he contributes to the game. Take it for what it's worth. I only used him in my posts to illustrate a point.

 

[Mainejet]

Maine, nobody is discounting the relevance of his point about Geno, its how he said it that irritates. He states that the jets think they're going to win a championship now. I haven't heard 1 person related to the jets verbalize that. I haven't even heard a jet claim we're a playoff team. Harrison is a pats jackass that is letting his bias interfere with reality. That's what bothers me. Bill is a genious for letting revis walk. He would have also been a genius in Rodney's eyes if he paid him. This type of double standard makes his credibility very low.

Look, if I went to Alaska and asked a random Eskimo who's never seen a football game if Geno is a reliable qb, he'd tell me no. Rod isn't dropping some amazing revelation on us. But his credibility goes downhill when he makes up statements and puts words in the jets mouths while polishing the pats collective knob. Therefore, I'm with ham and am still holding out some hope for this kid but I also believe the jets will still bring in a qb in this draft to compete. In the meantime I agree that these pats players turned media are the most irritating thing on earth. You'll never hear Rodney's thoughts on the cheating/scumbaggery that the pats continue to pull.

I suppose I see what you're talking about, But if by chance the Jets did get that franchise QB? Then an ex-Jet player can talk for NBC and call out the Patsies as being bottom feeders. To the winner goes the spoils, right? Yeah, I agree he was probably as abrasive as sandpaper when he said those things. But he took a very obvious weakness about the Jets and ran with it. It's time for the Jets to do the right thing. Or at least I hope they do finally.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

I listen to SiriusXM radio. NFL radio in particular has various shows with former players, coaches, media, etc. Solomon Wilcots has been a guest on the "Morning Drive" several times. He has made it known that he grew up in I think NY? And he was always a Jets fan.

I like Solomon Wilcots. I have always respected what he contributes to the game. Take it for what it's worth. I only used him in my posts to illustrate a point.

That is pretty weird. As soon as I saw your comment, I looked him up in Wikipedia. He was born in California, went to college in Colorado, and played for 3 NFL teams, none of which were the Jets. I guess at some point his family must have moved to the NY area. Very interesting. I like him too. Just never realized he had any NY connection.

 

[JaxJet]

He put to much feeling behind his words, which equals him not being professional. But Bruschi is the same way. However the best way to shut these guys up is for the Jets to beat the Patriots. Our current roster is putting a touch of fear in Patriot land. Which is the cause of these out bursts.

 

[grogan14]

Let's all remember that the Patriots cheat at football and have cheated to win all of their championships. Rodney Harrison was also suspended for personal cheating. We'll win one without cheating soon hopefully - I'm not saying Geno will do it, but wouldn't it be great for Geno to be able to tell Harrison that he was good enough to do it without...outside help?

Honestly does it really make you or any Jet fans feel better by calling the Patriots Cheaters? Lets say everything you dream up, make up, and hope to be true about the Patriots is, then what? The Jets are still working on 45 plus years of failure, draft busts, coaching failures, Butt fumbles on National TV!!! Honestly just about any fan in the League would rather be cheaters than Jets. Jets fans are so incredibly jealous and angry they can' even see straight.

 

[grogan14]

He put to much feeling behind his words, which equals him not being professional. But Bruschi is the same way. However the best way to shut these guys up is for the Jets to beat the Patriots. Our current roster is putting a touch of fear in Patriot land. Which is the cause of these out bursts.

Of course it is, it's the off season, the time when the Jets fans rejoice over another hard fought AFC Offseason Championship. Every year the Jets get the absolute best Free Agents and then kill it in in the draft. It's no wonder they are such a storied and revered NFL franchise. :stoned-smiley: