Season MVP...so far

[Mainejet]

My vote goes for Ryan Fitzpatrick. However, it is not at all possible without mentioning Brandon Marshall. I don't believe it would be possible that we could be talking about the development of our QB without the great contributions Marshall to aid his development. So for me where the two are so intertwined, my choice is CO-MVP's.

 

[flgreen]

My vote goes for Ryan Fitzpatrick. However, it is not at all possible without mentioning Brandon Marshall. I don't believe it would be possible that we could be talking about the development of our QB without the great contributions Marshall to aid his development. So for me where the two are so intertwined, my choice is CO-MVP's.

Suspect it would be the teams choice if they could evidenced by the fact that they gave Fitz two other awards

 

[OCCH]

If you want to plug numbers into a machine and get a typical contract value, he's justifying a big contract.

A point someone made that made sense to me was this, does Fitz make sense to another team? He's in a great position to succeed, and he's succeeding. But will another team without Marshall, without gaileys system see the same value to acquiring Fitz? Probably not. He does make sense for the Jets and the Jets make sense for him. And I think he's made his money and is ready to be a team player. I think they settle at 7-9 million and 4 years, 2 guaranteed.

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So that's the rub -- does Fitz see himself for what he is (a decent QB in a GREAT situation) or does he see himself the way some here do -- a team MVP/savior, and multiple team record-setter? If it's the former, then he'll likely agree to a fair deal and I welcome him back with open arms. But if he's caught up in himself the way some here are, do you really think he'll agree to take less money than Nick Foles ($12M+) and Sam Bradford ($13M+)?

That's why I liked him not getting MVP. Not because I don't love the guy, but because I hope it shows that people outside this forum see him for what he truly is (as opposed to the type of player Buffalo thought they saw when they offered him big $$$) . . .

 

[mykcuz]

So that's the rub -- does Fitz see himself for what he is (a decent QB in a GREAT situation) or does he see himself the way some here do -- a team MVP/savior, and multiple team record-setter? If it's the former, then he'll likely agree to a fair deal and I welcome him back with open arms. But if he's caught up in himself the way some here are, do you really think he'll agree to take less money than Nick Foles ($12M+) and Sam Bradford ($13M+)?

That's why I liked him not getting MVP. Not because I don't love the guy, but because I hope it shows that people outside this forum see him for what he truly is (as opposed to the type of player Buffalo thought they saw when they offered him big $$$) . . .

He gets less than both of those guys, they are young with perceived upside and franchise potential, with Fitz you have a couple years of his late prime before he's approaching 40.

Nobody on here should discredit Fitz. I loved the move from day one, I didn't like any one else on the market. We had Marshall, then the news broke that trading for Fitz with Gailey in mind as oc,everything made sense and was a great win now strategy.

But he also isn't Tom Brady, and I do get the feeling he is realistic with himself.

I'm certain we have a 2 year window with this core,and Fitz isn't going to destroy that with a giant contract. Remember, he's already received a giant contract, this is about validation. He's also a salt of the earth guy, good indicators for fans.

If he puts the team first here, he could be a life long hero in ny, and that's more valuable than money.

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[butterscotch]

it has to be Fitz Marshall cost us too many games

 

[mykcuz]

it has to be Fitz Marshall cost us too many games

Ehh, there was a period there where we had no identity, and Fitz wasn't great. He pulled it together and made this team come together. A coach on the field as it were.

The media mentioned we were an ivory first (centric )team, he got injured as predicted, and we had no answer. We evolved into a Fitz centric offense, and are undefeated since.

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[OCCH]

it has to be Fitz Marshall cost us too many games

Fitz has consistently missed receivers downfield that would've opened games up early. The only reason we're so impressed with Fitz is because of his superiority to his predecessors - Marshall DEFINITELY fits that same description . . .

 

[jetgreen13]

Fitz has consistently missed receivers downfield that would've opened games up early. The only reason we're so impressed with Fitz is because of his superiority to his predecessors - Marshall DEFINITELY fits that same description . . .

...try to enjoy the ride OCCH...

fitzpatrick & marshall are the two biggest reasons the jets are 10-5..

am i missing something??

 

[Mainejet]

There's a very conspicuous absence of Johnnysd in this thread. Maybe he's finally given up the Geno crusade?
Elias, if you're reading this thread..... Johnnysd and I made a gentlemans bet some time ago. The loser pays you $50. I bet that Geno would not be on the NYJ roster come the start of the 2016 season. I am prepared to pay if I'm wrong, but I don't believe there's a chance in hell that I am wrong. The Jets ridding themselves of Geno Smith would be therapeutic for the players. It's the best move they could make for the rest of the roster.

 

[mykcuz]

Fitz has consistently missed receivers downfield that would've opened games up early. The only reason we're so impressed with Fitz is because of his superiority to his predecessors - Marshall DEFINITELY fits that same description . . .

He consisted missed Devin smith, who got every route wrong. You do realize that missing a throw isn't as simple as the qb missing? Many routes are options based on how the cb covers the receiver and how the safety reacts. Many times a receiver and qb aren't on the same page, or see the coverage differently, or make a mistake.

Nobody is claiming Fitz is a hall of famer here, but you are making very general statements.

I love when geno sucked the response from some here is that he just needs more time in the system, then when Fitz is viewed as the leader by the players on offense and defense, we go on a5 game win steak, break franchise records, Fitz is not good enough. The Bi polar views are amazing.

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[OCCH]

...try to enjoy the ride OCCH...

fitzpatrick & marshall are the two biggest reasons the jets are 10-5..

am i missing something??

Here's what you're missing:

If he stays with the Jets, Ryan Fitzpatrick could land a contract that will pay him between $10-12MM annually, according to Rich Cimini of ESPNNewYork.com (citing a prominent NFL agent).

Do you feel those numbers are deserved, or a direct reflection of Fitz being in the "right place at the right time", just like he was in Buffalo?

I simply don't think he's an MVP level talent, and to be honest I'm surprised how many here do. I have every intention of "enjoying the ride" -- I just think that's possible without wearing green goggles . . .

 

[jetgreen13]

Here's what you're missing:

If he stays with the Jets, Ryan Fitzpatrick could land a contract that will pay him between $10-12MM annually, according to Rich Cimini of ESPNNewYork.com (citing a prominent NFL agent).

Do you feel those numbers are deserved, or a direct reflection of Fitz being in the "right place at the right time", just like he was in Buffalo?

I simply don't think he's an MVP level talent, and to be honest I'm surprised how many here do. I have every intention of "enjoying the ride" -- I just think that's possible without wearing green goggles . . .

if you're asking will he deserve to be paid like paid like a QB who in all likelihood will 30+ TD's & 4,000+ yards & possibly 11-5 & the playoffs??

then yes, the guys earned himself a substantial raise.. that's the way pro sports works..

not buying "the right place at the right" argument at all.. what?? fitzpatrick has magically played over his head all season??

& as far as being "an MVP level talent," i haven't read anyone post that at JFU.. no idea where you got that from..

BTW, coach bowles must be wearing the same eyewear you spoke of.. go figure.. I guess he doesn't no what the hell he's looking at either..

 

[OCCH]

if you're asking will he deserve to be paid like paid like a QB who in all likelihood will 30+ TD's & 4,000+ yards & possibly 11-5 & the playoffs??

then yes, the guys earned himself a substantial raise.. that's the way pro sports works..

not buying "the right place at the right" argument at all.. what?? fitzpatrick has magically played over his head all season??

& as far as being "an MVP level talent," i haven't read anyone post that at JFU.. no idea where you got that from..

BTW, coach bowles must be wearing the same eyewear you spoke of.. go figure.. I guess he doesn't no what the hell he's looking at either..

1) So you would have no problem giving Fitz $10-$12M a year -- agree to disagree

2) You look at Fitz's overall career and feel this year doesn't represent a "best-case scenario" -- agree to disagree

3) The whole point of this thread is you (and others) feel Fitz is the no-brainer team MVP -- agree to disagree

4) You think Bowles looks at Fitz and sees a team MVP worth an 8-digit salary -- I guess time will tell . . .

 

[jetgreen13]

1) So you would have no problem giving Fitz $10-$12M a year -- agree to disagree

2) You look at Fitz's overall career and feel this year doesn't represent a "best-case scenario" -- agree to disagree

3) The whole point of this thread is you (and others) feel Fitz is the no-brainer team MVP -- agree to disagree

4) You think Bowles looks at Fitz and sees a team MVP worth an 8-digit salary -- I guess time will tell . . .

i said fitzpatrick earned a raise.. i didn't even list any numbers but i think 7.5/8 million with "big boy" incentives is fair to both sides..

I look at fitzpatrick's season & see a guy that the light turned on late in his prime..

no crime in losing team MVP to marshall but you don't seem to be crazy about him either, so.....

the only thing i know/posted about coach bowles' feelings on fitzpatrick is he wants his QB re signed..
that ain't speculation on my part that's a fact..

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

i said fitzpatrick earned a raise.. i didn't even list any numbers but i think 7.5/8 million with "big boy" incentives is fair to both sides..

I look at fitzpatrick's season & see a guy that the light turned on late in his prime..

no crime in losing team MVP to marshall but you don't seem to be crazy about him either, so.....

the only thing i know/posted about coach bowles' feelings on fitzpatrick is he wants his QB re signed..
that ain't speculation on my part that's a fact..

I think the Jets got the perfect scenario they wanted to envision for the next 2 seasons. They have a Journey man QB who once in the blue enters the prime of his career with the next 2 years being golden, on a team that loves him. Plus they have a young gun, learning from him under his wings in Bryce Petty who IMHO will be the backup next season.

Within the two seasons, Mac will also trying to continue building for success once Fitz is gone so that there will be an easier transition once Petty is given the full reigns. Fitz, until that time will groom this kid to not only be the starter, but to make him know what comes with it. Respect, Love, leadership in the locker room and being and upfront even keel athlete.

As i said it before, the Jets are primed for future success. The same old jets mentality is DEAD.

 

[butterscotch]

If there's ever a way to turn a negative into a positive, then IK misfortune turned into the Jets fortune. But I'll take it a step farther. Woody Johnson is this season's MVP. He cleaned house, got a GM and a HC that changed the culture that once was a circus. We're taking care of business quietly, and things have fallen in place. Regardless to how this year finishes, we have built a sound foundation that everyone league wise can respect. Thank you Woody Johnson.

Great post! I agree 100% As a far as we know he made good choices & stayed out of the way Good boy johnson

 

[butterscotch]

When we needed Fitz he failed **......As my good friend Warner said .....He had a fitz throwback game......I am not sold on him yet. If we have no one better next year we need him..........


He throws into double coverage way too much.........He has the stats but with all the teams he has been one he still has not made the playoffs....we need a better Fitz next year if he is to stay.


** He was not the only one