The Back-up Quarterback battle: Bryce Petty vs Geno Smith

[flgreen]

This is probably going to be a big week of practice for these two guys, starting today.

Jets have to start planning for the season and making some permanent decisions.

What's needed today? smith needs to come out and have a very good practice, then go talk to the press and show some humility to get them off his back, and maybe get fans to stop booing every time he walks on the field.

Think he will have a good practice. That's been his mode of operation. Inconsistent play. Look very good one moment, then go in the toilet. He has been on a down swing the last week or so, think he's due for a good practice. if he has a good practice he'll talk to the press. Will the fans get off his back? Not so sure about that. Nearly all polls in the press, and on large web sites show that about 70% of fans would like him gone. NY is a very unforgiving place.

Petty needs to just keep on doing what he's doing. Relax, and get in his "Favre mode" Throw the ball up-field, which he's been doing very well. Close the gap a bit every day. Right now Petty is in the rear view mirror, but closing.

Suspect, at least today, he might have a step back a tad day. Hey, this is the Jets. Can't just have a QB cleanly win a job

Since his very bad 0-7 day, he hasn't had a bad practice. He's due, just can't make it to bad. Time for him to get consistent, and make the CS have some faith in him, then have a good game next week.

That's my opinion anyhow

 

[Mainejet]

Like I posted already, the only options that are open to Mac/Bowles is to:

1) Carry 4 Quarterbacks

2) Cut Geno

Number 2 is not as far fetched as some here obviously think. Mac has ZERO loyalty or ownership in Geno. He is merely an inherited QB with might I add, "inherited problems".

Geno was completely passed over when Fitz went down last season and that speaks volumes. The only conclusion you could draw from that action is that the CS does not trust Geno.

Bryce Petty's play has apparently risen recently. I need to watch the preseason game again a little closer, but he played every bit as good as Geno. Now that's obviously not saying much. I do not like the Jets chances to win with either of them starting the game. But if there's any way the front office can justify cutting Geno and promoting Petty to 2nd string, they WILL do it. Hell, lets be honest about this. The front office does not want to carry 4 QB's. It's as simple as that. They may have to, but when Mac made the Hack selection everyone should have known Mac was making every effort to push Geno out the door.

Now, I'm hearing this race card nonsense being brought up? WTH is that all about? It's just so typical for posters that cannot prove Geno is worthy of yet another shot to scream racism when they cannot win an argument.

My only advice for people screaming racism is to hand their hats on a player like Mo Wilkerson for example. Here's a guy that gets it. Here's a guy that you can build your defense around. He's a truly outstanding player and leader. If someone were to criticize him? Well, then you might actually have a leg to stand on with the racism accusations.

But taking that route with any of the following players constitutes sour grapes because you cannot possibly win an argument:

Dee Milliner
Geno Smith
Dexter McDougle

 

[SackExchange]

Speak of the Debbil - see Cook with OAK last night?
Pretty damn good QB - a long sight better than either Petty or Hack has ever shown.
2 TDs on his watch, though both were by rushing - they were LONG rushing TDs of 53 & 36 yards, made possible because the defense was wary of Cook's arm, accuracy, & quick reads.
Kid's a gamer, alrighty.

And largely despised by his teammates, or at least he was in college.

 

[SackExchange]

Like I posted already, the only options that are open to Mac/Bowles is to:

1) Carry 4 Quarterbacks

2) Cut Geno

Number 2 is not as far fetched as some here obviously think. Mac has ZERO loyalty or ownership in Geno. He is merely an inherited QB with might I add, "inherited problems".

Geno was completely passed over when Fitz went down last season and that speaks volumes. The only conclusion you could draw from that action is that the CS does not trust Geno.

Bryce Petty's play has apparently risen recently. I need to watch the preseason game again a little closer, but he played every bit as good as Geno. Now that's obviously not saying much. I do not like the Jets chances to win with either of them starting the game. But if there's any way the front office can justify cutting Geno and promoting Petty to 2nd string, they WILL do it. Hell, lets be honest about this. The front office does not want to carry 4 QB's. It's as simple as that. They may have to, but when Mac made the Hack selection everyone should have known Mac was making every effort to push Geno out the door.

Now, I'm hearing this race card nonsense being brought up? WTH is that all about? It's just so typical for posters that cannot prove Geno is worthy of yet another shot to scream racism when they cannot win an argument.

My only advice for people screaming racism is to hand their hats on a player like Mo Wilkerson for example. Here's a guy that gets it. Here's a guy that you can build your defense around. He's a truly outstanding player and leader. If someone were to criticize him? Well, then you might actually have a leg to stand on with the racism accusations.

But taking that route with any of the following players constitutes sour grapes because you cannot possibly win an argument:

Dee Milliner
Geno Smith
Dexter McDougle

I agree that dumping Geno is possible, and perhaps even likely if nobody will give up a late pick for him. And no, it has nothing to do with race. There is legitimate racism in the world and in this country, and yes, in the NFL, but this is not it.

 

[Mainejet]

I agree that dumping Geno is possible, and perhaps even likely if nobody will give up a late pick for him. And no, it has nothing to do with race. There is legitimate racism in the world and in this country, and yes, in the NFL, but this is not it.

What I feel is being largely ignored is the lack of general logic in cutting Bryce Petty........

Just to be clear, Bryce Petty was taken last season in the 4th round as a DEVELOPMENTAL QB. NOT as a guy that you take a waiver on and quickly come to a conclusion on. Bryce Petty has been with the Jets for only one season and played in a single read offense at Baylor. NOT a pro style offense.

Cutting Bryce Petty defies any kind of reasonable, normal logic. It would prove that Mac does not know what he's doing. It would prove that Mac just likes to select QB's merely for sh*ts and giggles.

I do NOT believe that to be the case and I am sure you feel the same. The media seems to mention very nonchalantly that Bryce Petty could very well be cut. My feeling is based any sort of normal logic what the media is saying is complete BS like I have never seen. It's something that MULTIPLE media outlets must have just pulled out of their a$$es. It just does not jive any sort of logic or deductive reasoning.

 

[Oraelo]

Dan, more practices like today and you will get your wish. From all of Fl's tweets, it seems that Petty had a great day.

 

[McJet]

What I feel is being largely ignored is the lack of general logic in cutting Bryce Petty........

Just to be clear, Bryce Petty was taken last season in the 4th round as a DEVELOPMENTAL QB. NOT as a guy that you take a waiver on and quickly come to a conclusion on. Bryce Petty has been with the Jets for only one season and played in a single read offense at Baylor. NOT a pro style offense.

Cutting Bryce Petty defies any kind of reasonable, normal logic. It would prove that Mac does not know what he's doing. It would prove that Mac just likes to select QB's merely for sh*ts and giggles.

I do NOT believe that to be the case and I am sure you feel the same. The media seems to mention very nonchalantly that Bryce Petty could very well be cut. My feeling is based any sort of normal logic what the media is saying is complete BS like I have never seen. It's something that MULTIPLE media outlets must have just pulled out of their a$$es. It just does not jive any sort of logic or deductive reasoning.

i agree Mainejet, either Geno gets cut or the Jets go with 4 qb's. Keeping that 4th qb is going to hurt the Jets as they could/should use that spot for one of these WR's that are starting to really shine for the Jets,Finally. I'd hate to see Peake or J.Marshall cut or put on waivers, the Jets will never see them again except playing against them for maybe the Patriots or the Bills, ouch. Point is, every roster spot is valuable and if Petty has grown to the point where he is playing as well as Geno, then, snip.

 

[Bigmoe]

Brian Costello ‏@BrianCoz 4m4 minutes ago
Geno Smith not speaking to reporters again today. Did not talk after the game on Thursday either. #NYJ



And smith is sulking..................Again.

I wonder how long it will be before he shows his middle finger to the fans again

Please stop the nonsense


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I was wondering how long it would take for that card to be played

Geno acting like an ass doesn't bode well for him.

Watchin 30 for 30
Scott Norwood facing media after wide right

Just shows Geno doesn't belong here or anyplace
Complete assh@le
And he sucks on top of it all
Plane and simple no excuse
Bye Bye

 

[Europe_for_JETS]

I certainly have my hopes up about cutting Geno. Let's not kid ourselves, Petty won't be worse than the always-pouting turnover machine who doesn't read defenses and doesn't command respect amongst teammates. Coaching staff is likely trying hard to create some trade value for Smith, but that's mission impossible based on what every other team has seen.

 

[SackExchange]

What I feel is being largely ignored is the lack of general logic in cutting Bryce Petty........

Just to be clear, Bryce Petty was taken last season in the 4th round as a DEVELOPMENTAL QB. NOT as a guy that you take a waiver on and quickly come to a conclusion on. Bryce Petty has been with the Jets for only one season and played in a single read offense at Baylor. NOT a pro style offense.

Cutting Bryce Petty defies any kind of reasonable, normal logic. It would prove that Mac does not know what he's doing. It would prove that Mac just likes to select QB's merely for sh*ts and giggles.

I do NOT believe that to be the case and I am sure you feel the same. The media seems to mention very nonchalantly that Bryce Petty could very well be cut. My feeling is based any sort of normal logic what the media is saying is complete BS like I have never seen. It's something that MULTIPLE media outlets must have just pulled out of their a$$es. It just does not jive any sort of logic or deductive reasoning.

I could not agree more. You don't draft someone as a long-term developmental project, then dump him after one year to keep a failed starter on the final year of his contract. Neither dumping Petty nor keeping Geno over him makes any sense.

To me, if Petty shows enough to be the backup, he is the team's #2. The organization is all in on Hack, so he is not going anywhere. And they are not likely to carry four, although it's possible.

Best case, Geno shows enough in his remaining preseason games to land a draft pick, Petty shows enough to land the #2 spot, and Hack continues to learn and develop within the organization.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

What I feel is being largely ignored is the lack of general logic in cutting Bryce Petty........

Just to be clear, Bryce Petty was taken last season in the 4th round as a DEVELOPMENTAL QB. NOT as a guy that you take a waiver on and quickly come to a conclusion on. Bryce Petty has been with the Jets for only one season and played in a single read offense at Baylor. NOT a pro style offense.

Cutting Bryce Petty defies any kind of reasonable, normal logic. It would prove that Mac does not know what he's doing. It would prove that Mac just likes to select QB's merely for sh*ts and giggles.

I do NOT believe that to be the case and I am sure you feel the same. The media seems to mention very nonchalantly that Bryce Petty could very well be cut. My feeling is based any sort of normal logic what the media is saying is complete BS like I have never seen. It's something that MULTIPLE media outlets must have just pulled out of their a$$es. It just does not jive any sort of logic or deductive reasoning.

Great Post, I couldn't have said it any better.

 

[Mainejet]

Great Post, I couldn't have said it any better.

Thanks, Ham

 

[Mainejet]

i agree Mainejet, either Geno gets cut or the Jets go with 4 qb's. Keeping that 4th qb is going to hurt the Jets as they could/should use that spot for one of these WR's that are starting to really shine for the Jets,Finally. I'd hate to see Peake or J.Marshall cut or put on waivers, the Jets will never see them again except playing against them for maybe the Patriots or the Bills, ouch. Point is, every roster spot is valuable and if Petty has grown to the point where he is playing as well as Geno, then, snip.

I agree completely. It's very early and we really do not have any actual game tape to point to, but it really seems as though Mac struck gold on wide receivers in the draft. Jalin Marshall? Charone Peake? Smith coming back this season? Good luck for these guys to get playing time when this team already has a lethal tandem in Marshall and Decker.

If anything, if the Jets were going to break the normal mold of how rosters are comprised, it would be WR where they keep MORE than the norm if anything.

The Jets just need to make a decision and stick with it for better or worse about QB. My feeling is if Petty is even close to playing as well as Geno (which is really not a very high standard), then they should cut Geno and move forward with Petty as the backup. Petty's career is still very much up in the air. He could improve into a great QB, but for that to happen they must give him more time.

At the very least couldn't we come to the conclusion that Geno, given all the QB's that Mac has signed/drafted, has used up all of his chances with the NYJ?

 

[mykcuz]

I've done a complete flip-flop on this. I thought there was no way that MM/TB would go into the season with Petty and Hack as #s 2 and 3 respectively behind Fitz, but now I think it is a distinct possibility. It makes a ton of sense to audition Smith to the Dallas's of the NFL with the hope that he shows enough to recoup a pick and if really lucky to sweeten the deal with a pick of our own to get a quality young OLman.

Dak Prescott in Dallas is impressing. He's who I hoped we would have drafted this year.

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[Elias]

I agree completely. It's very early and we really do not have any actual game tape to point to, but it really seems as though Mac struck gold on wide receivers in the draft. Jalin Marshall? Charone Peake? Smith coming back this season? Good luck for these guys to get playing time when this team already has a lethal tandem in Marshall and Decker.

If anything, if the Jets were going to break the normal mold of how rosters are comprised, it would be WR where they keep MORE than the norm if anything.

The Jets just need to make a decision and stick with it for better or worse about QB. My feeling is if Petty is even close to playing as well as Geno (which is really not a very high standard), then they should cut Geno and move forward with Petty as the backup. Petty's career is still very much up in the air. He could improve into a great QB, but for that to happen they must give him more time.

At the very least couldn't we come to the conclusion that Geno, given all the QB's that Mac has signed/drafted, has used up all of his chances with the NYJ?

i think we deserve hitting on these wide outs considering what we passed on during the Idzik draft. We passed on two top WR in Hopkins and Keenan Allen.

 

[butterscotch]

i think we deserve hitting on these wide outs considering what we passed on during the Idzik draft. We passed on two top WR in Hopkins and Keenan Allen.

We don't deserve we earn this is the NFL...they have a chance to be good

 

[flgreen]

What I feel is being largely ignored is the lack of general logic in cutting Bryce Petty........

Just to be clear, Bryce Petty was taken last season in the 4th round as a DEVELOPMENTAL QB. NOT as a guy that you take a waiver on and quickly come to a conclusion on. Bryce Petty has been with the Jets for only one season and played in a single read offense at Baylor. NOT a pro style offense.

Cutting Bryce Petty defies any kind of reasonable, normal logic. It would prove that Mac does not know what he's doing. It would prove that Mac just likes to select QB's merely for sh*ts and giggles.

I do NOT believe that to be the case and I am sure you feel the same. The media seems to mention very nonchalantly that Bryce Petty could very well be cut. My feeling is based any sort of normal logic what the media is saying is complete BS like I have never seen. It's something that MULTIPLE media outlets must have just pulled out of their a$$es. It just does not jive any sort of logic or deductive reasoning.

Good post MJ

I think Petty is starting to win the media over (see the thread I just posted on today's 3 stars) Connor Hughes, who is one of the most logical scribes IMO, seems to be getting very high on Petty.

I honestly can't blame the media for starting to write Petty off. he had very bad OTA's, and mini camp. Up until 2 weeks ago he looked very bad. After his 0-7 practice, he looked like he was done. I really like the kid, and was starting to wonder if he would be on the team.

Major turn around the last week and a half or so. I thought he might have a step back practice today after his hot run. Sounds like he had a great practice.

 

[soj]

I could not agree more. You don't draft someone as a long-term developmental project, then dump him after one year to keep a failed starter on the final year of his contract. Neither dumping Petty nor keeping Geno over him makes any sense.

To me, if Petty shows enough to be the backup, he is the team's #2. The organization is all in on Hack, so he is not going anywhere. And they are not likely to carry four, although it's possible.

Best case, Geno shows enough in his remaining preseason games to land a draft pick, Petty shows enough to land the #2 spot, and Hack continues to learn and develop within the organization.

Agree, from what I am reading about Petty is that he is already playing as well as Geno and as Dan stated Geno is in his 4th year... and Petty 1 ... that to me speaks volumes. I am sure it's not going unnoticed by the CS.

 

[mykcuz]

Agree, from what I am reading about Petty is that he is already playing as well as Geno and as Dan stated Geno is in his 4th year... and Petty 1 ... that to me speaks volumes. I am sure it's not going unnoticed by the CS.

Petty year 2,but,
It would be great if he showed coach he cab handle backup duty. We can't let any of these wrs go.

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[Green Jets & Ham]

I could not agree more. You don't draft someone as a long-term developmental project, then dump him after one year to keep a failed starter on the final year of his contract. Neither dumping Petty nor keeping Geno over him makes any sense.

To me, if Petty shows enough to be the backup, he is the team's #2. The organization is all in on Hack, so he is not going anywhere. And they are not likely to carry four, although it's possible.

Best case, Geno shows enough in his remaining preseason games to land a draft pick, Petty shows enough to land the #2 spot, and Hack continues to learn and develop within the organization.

Petty year 2,but,
It would be great if he showed coach he cab handle backup duty. We can't let any of these wrs go.

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I'm on the same page as you guys 100%, and I have been since OTA's. Its always been my contention that its in the best interest of this team if Bryce Petty steps up and nails down that #2 spot in camp. If he does that, it allows us to expand the depth chart elsewhere, perhaps keep an extra WR or another player we don't want to risk losing, because we don't have to carry four QB's. The idea of cutting Petty was always absurd (see MaineJet's post), but the idea of carrying four QB's is very real, in fact the only way it doesn't happen is if Petty grabs that #2 spot by the throat.

That said, I'm encouraged by his performance the past week, he seems to really be hitting his stride and Geno's recent pouting seems to suggest he is feeling the heat, particularly with Petty getting the bulk of the #2 reps in Sunday's practice. The real tell-tale sign will be Friday night in DC. If Petty is the first QB off the bench in that game when Fitz comes out, you'll know Petty is making a real run at that #2 spot, and if he performs well in that game, don't be surprised if Geno is traded or cut. I suspect he will go on the trade block immediately following that game if Petty is the #2 and he performs.

However, if Geno is still running with the 2's in that game and he doesn't implode, we're probably carrying four QB's.

I know which of those two scenarios I'm rooting for, now we just have to wait and see how it unfolds.

OBTW, another BIG REASON you have to be rooting for Petty is the longterm implications. Fitz is not the future of this team. You have to be hoping Petty or Hack is. If Petty nails down that #2 spot this year, it suggests he is progressing and ready to battle for that #1 spot, perhaps as early as next year. Two guys battling for that job increases our chances of hitting pay dirt. It beats putting all of our eggs in one (Hack) basket.