The Back-up Quarterback battle: Bryce Petty vs Geno Smith

[NYJETSDAN16]

I was wondering how long it would take for that card to be played

It is truly sad if it gets to that point especially in this day in age.

Some just seek any avenue to throw that option as a viable one once Geno is called out for what he is as a football player, which is a "bust".

I'am not by any means calling him out because of his race by no means.

 

[Oraelo]

Dan I know you have been one of Petty's biggest supporters since day one and that's great, but personally at this point I don't really see much difference between his and Geno's play as of yet. They both had some good and bad plays Thursday night. Their "game stats" are similar and on the field I don't see much of a difference. Yes there is the Geno that has the good possibility of showing up that we all fear, but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt, and maybe he has progressed.
I think that for Petty to overtake Geno, it has to not only be a close battle, but Bryce has to be far ahead to win this year. With Fitz's balls to the wall play and injury history, the CS will keep Geno around as insurance unless Petty blows him out of the water which just isn't happening (yet).

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Dan I know you have been one of Petty's biggest supporters since day one and that's great, but personally at this point I don't really see much difference between his and Geno's play as of yet. They both had some good and bad plays Thursday night. Their "game stats" are similar and on the field I don't see much of a difference. Yes there is the Geno that has the good possibility of showing up that we all fear, but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt, and maybe he has progressed.
I think that for Petty to overtake Geno, it has to not only be a close battle, but Bryce has to be far ahead to win this year. With Fitz's balls to the wall play and injury history, the CS will keep Geno around as insurance unless Petty blows him out of the water which just isn't happening (yet).

But thats the thing, Petty doesnt have to blow Geno out of the water, Geno Smith isn't Ryan Fitzpatrick. If Bryce matches Geno play for play, then that means Bryce learned in 1 year what Geno learned in four.

The upside is higher for Petty at that point.

Let me say this, i would love to eat crow on this if Geno Smith plays lights out these next three games to solidify the number two.
But three years of watching how he handles everything from on to off the field has already made up my mind that Bryce has a brighter future than Geno.

Bryce was a sponge to Fitz last year and it was evident this past thursday night. He played fearless. Slinging the ball and played with alot of poise. Played under center (something Geno has yet to do).

I just feel the next step is to see how Bryce performs vs 2nd stringers now.

 

[Oraelo]

But thats the thing, Petty doesnt have to blow Geno out of the water, Geno Smith isn't Ryan Fitzpatrick. If Bryce matches Geno play for play, then that means Bryce learned in 1 year what Geno learned in four.

The upside is higher for Petty at that point.

Very true, but that can play both ways. Geno is still on his rookie contract and cheap. Petty may be learning quicker, but experience has its merits. I can't presume to think what the CS thinks, but as a fan, if fitz goes down the thought of having two QB's with zero real game experience as the only option if Geno is sent packing is terrifying.

 

[Bronx]

The Back-up Quarterback battle: Bryce Petty vs Geno Smith

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[flgreen]

Very true, but that can play both ways. Geno is still on his rookie contract and cheap. Petty may be learning quicker, but experience has its merits. I can't presume to think what the CS thinks, but as a fan, if fitz goes down the thought of having two QB's with zero real game experience as the only option if Geno is sent packing is terrifying.

This is certainly a point, but I have to disagree with you that Petty has to blow smith out of the water to take the #2 job. Actually it's true, smith has much more experience then Petty, and IMO that's the one reason he's still on the team. This is a win now team.

On the other hand, the Jets don't want to use a 4th roster spot on QB if there is an alternative. They have some very talented WR's in camp they don't want to risk putting through waivers. Injuries are mounting at RB. That roster spot will be very valuable.

smith is on the final year of his contract. His odds of returning next year are very, very slim. The fans are at the point now that they are booing every incompleteion. When a QB gets to that point in NYC, it can become hell for him. Look what the fans did to both Pennington, and Sanchez. IMO both were much better football players, and better people off the field.

This has not been a good time for smith in NY. If he keeps sulking and not talking to the media because he got booed, it's going to get a lot worst. IMO there is no way smith will come back and play here, no matter what happens.

IMO if Petty plays close to the level of smith for the remainder of camp, the Jets will be very tempted to move smith.

I think smith is lucky they are on the road next week. It's still a long shot, but I think it's possible that smith might not be on the final roster.

Like Dan, I am a fan of Petty's. Any one who was on the board last spring knows I was touting Petty hard.

 

[flgreen]

Very true, but that can play both ways. Geno is still on his rookie contract and cheap. Petty may be learning quicker, but experience has its merits. I can't presume to think what the CS thinks, but as a fan, if fitz goes down the thought of having two QB's with zero real game experience as the only option if Geno is sent packing is terrifying.

This is certainly a point, but I have to disagree with you that Petty has to blow smith out of the water to take the #2 job. Actually it's true smith has much more experience then Petty, and IMO that's the one reason he's still on the team. This is a win now team.

On the other hand, the Jets don't want to use a 4th roster spot on QB if there is an alternative. They have some very talented WR's in camp they don't want to risk putting through waivers. Injuries are mounting at RB. That roster spot will be very valuable.

smith is on the final year of his contract. His odds of returning next year are very, very slim. The fans are at the point now that they are booing every incompleteion. When a QB gets to that point in NYC, it can become hell for him. Look what the fans did to both Pennington, and Sanchez. IMO both were much better football players, and better people off the field.

This has not been a good time for smith in NY. If he keeps sulking and not talking to the media because he got booed, it's going to get a lot worst. IMO there is no way smith will come back and play here, no matter what happens.

IMO if Petty plays close to the level of smith for the remainder of camp, the Jets will be very tempted to move smith.

I think smith is lucky they are on the road next week. It's still a long shot, but I think it's possible that smith might not be on the final roster.

Like Dan, I am a fan of Petty's. Any one who was on the board last spring knows I was touting Petty hard.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Geno acting like an ass doesn't bode well for him.

 

[mykcuz]

This is certainly a point, but I have to disagree with you that Petty has to blow smith out of the water to take the #2 job. Actually it's true smith has much more experience then Petty, and IMO that's the one reason he's still on the team. This is a win now team.

On the other hand, the Jets don't want to use a 4th roster spot on QB if there is an alternative. They have some very talented WR's in camp they don't want to risk putting through waivers. Injuries are mounting at RB. That roster spot will be very valuable.

smith is on the final year of his contract. His odds of returning next year are very, very slim. The fans are at the point now that they are booing every incompleteion. When a QB gets to that point in NYC, it can become hell for him. Look what the fans did to both Pennington, and Sanchez. IMO both were much better football players, and better people off the field.

This has not been a good time for smith in NY. If he keeps sulking and not talking to the media because he got booed, it's going to get a lot worst. IMO there is no way smith will come back and play here, no matter what happens.

IMO if Petty plays close to the level of smith for the remainder of camp, the Jets will be very tempted to move smith.

I think smith is lucky they are on the road next week. It's still a long shot, but I think it's possible that smith might not be on the final roster.

Like Dan, I am a fan of Petty's. Any one who was on the board last spring knows I was touting Petty hard.

I disagree that similar play equals petty. They are playing vanilla scrimmages, I don't think petty showing well in a couple scrimmages against backups, will alter the coaches opinion of him.

My opinion is that the depth chart is set unless petty is an obviously better player.

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[jetgreen13]

Geno acting like an ass doesn't bode well for him.

...you now what?? never mind.. this is too easy.....

 

[ReallyBigfan]

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With all due respect, Geno wasn't impressive at all Thursday night. A couple of good throws here and there but many of his passes were god-awful. Bounce passes to the floor, rushing his passes when he had time.

If it wasn't for that big return from Jalin Marshall, Geno would have not placed the team in position to score with less than a minute to go in that half.
By all accounts, Petty played much better than Geno in pre season game one that merits Petty getting reps next Friday night vs the two's.
Also, Petty had many plays under center that resulted in pass plays not just runs. Geno had "Zero". Four years into this league and Smith still can't take a snap under center and Petty in year two can?

The team cannot and absolutley should not by default give Smith the number two position just because he has game time "experience". If Bryce shows progression and continues to showcase in these games that he deserves to back-up Fitzpatrick, then the choice is obvious.

Geno shouldn't be handed anything. Let the best player earn it.

Omg, what a blatant example of seeing what you want to see. "By all accounts...?" What a load of crock. First of all, Geno threw a sensational pass to Peake for the TD, putting it in the only spot that it could possibly be to get the TD given that the coverage was right there (Peake also made a great catch on the play). Second of all, it would be fair to say that Geno was meh on his first series or two, but he was money after that, including the opening drive of the second half. Petty had some moments and some nice throws, but overall, Geno clearly was better, and every account of the game that I saw had that same assessment. And btw, I really like Petty and I saw encouraging signs, but don't just go making things up because you want them to be a certain way.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

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Way too literal amigo.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Omg, what a blatant example of seeing what you want to see. "By all accounts...?" What a load of crock. First of all, Geno threw a sensational pass to Peake for the TD, putting it in the only spot that it could possibly be to get the TD given that the coverage was right there (Peake also made a great catch on the play). Second of all, it would be fair to say that Geno was meh on his first series or two, but he was money after that, including the opening drive of the second half. Petty had some moments and some nice throws, but overall, Geno clearly was better, and every account of the game that I saw had that same assessment. And btw, I really like Petty and I saw encouraging signs, but don't just go making things up because you want them to be a certain way.

There goes the "Geno filled sunglasses guy again".

"He was money after that"? Really??!! Throwing passes in the dirt, rushing his throws? Playing erratic as usual, with one good throw followed by an atrocious one? Money?

Talk about a guy accusing another poster of writing a "load of crock".

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

This is certainly a point, but I have to disagree with you that Petty has to blow smith out of the water to take the #2 job. Actually it's true, smith has much more experience then Petty, and IMO that's the one reason he's still on the team. This is a win now team.

On the other hand, the Jets don't want to use a 4th roster spot on QB if there is an alternative. They have some very talented WR's in camp they don't want to risk putting through waivers. Injuries are mounting at RB. That roster spot will be very valuable.

smith is on the final year of his contract. His odds of returning next year are very, very slim. The fans are at the point now that they are booing every incompleteion. When a QB gets to that point in NYC, it can become hell for him. Look what the fans did to both Pennington, and Sanchez. IMO both were much better football players, and better people off the field.

This has not been a good time for smith in NY. If he keeps sulking and not talking to the media because he got booed, it's going to get a lot worst. IMO there is no way smith will come back and play here, no matter what happens.

IMO if Petty plays close to the level of smith for the remainder of camp, the Jets will be very tempted to move smith.

I think smith is lucky they are on the road next week. It's still a long shot, but I think it's possible that smith might not be on the final roster.

Like Dan, I am a fan of Petty's. Any one who was on the board last spring knows I was touting Petty hard.

Excellent post.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Very true, but that can play both ways. Geno is still on his rookie contract and cheap. Petty may be learning quicker, but experience has its merits. I can't presume to think what the CS thinks, but as a fan, if fitz goes down the thought of having two QB's with zero real game experience as the only option if Geno is sent packing is terrifying.

Thats the thing though, and it's been brought up multiple times in this and other threads that many are over looking:

The GM and coach Bowles had a very similar issue last season in the opener that shocked many people. When cut down day came, the general consensus would be that either Josh Johnson or Matt Flynn would be backing up Ryan Fitzpatrick against the Browns. Management threw both of those options out of the window and went with an extremely raw Bryce Petty.

If Bryce continues to progress, it wouldn't surprise me at all that the coaching staff selects Petty over Geno.
It's been done before, it can happen again. Especially if this organization witnesses Bryces maturation process excel, in which it is.

(Why would Maccagnan choose Geno Smith over Bryce petty (his guy, his selection, his project) over a guy who:

A) Doesn't want to be here (it's pretty evident) and many fans dont want him here.

B) Continues to draw attention to himself (not talking to reporters, MAN THE F UP!)

C) Is on the last year of his rookie deal and is actually auditioning for all the other 31 teams this year.)

 

[lounap23]

Thats the thing though, and it's been brought up multiple times in this and other threads that many are over looking:

The GM and coach Bowles had a very similar issue last season in the opener that shocked many people. When cut down day came, the general consensus would be that either Josh Johnson or Matt Flynn would be backing up Ryan Fitzpatrick against the Browns. Management threw both of those options out of the window and went with an extremely raw Bryce Petty.

If Bryce continues to progress, it wouldn't surprise me at all that the coaching staff selects Petty over Geno.
It's been done before, it can happen again. Especially if this organization witnesses Bryces maturation process excel, in which it is.

(Why would Maccagnan choose Geno Smith over Bryce petty (his guy, his selection, his project) over a guy who:

A) Doesn't want to be here (it's pretty evident) and many fans dont want him here.

B) Continues to draw attention to himself (not talking to reporters, MAN THE F UP!)

C) Is on the last year of his rookie deal and is actually auditioning for all the other 31 teams this year.)

I agree

 

[DavidO]

Thats the thing though, and it's been brought up multiple times in this and other threads that many are over looking:

The GM and coach Bowles had a very similar issue last season in the opener that shocked many people. When cut down day came, the general consensus would be that either Josh Johnson or Matt Flynn would be backing up Ryan Fitzpatrick against the Browns. Management threw both of those options out of the window and went with an extremely raw Bryce Petty.

If Bryce continues to progress, it wouldn't surprise me at all that the coaching staff selects Petty over Geno.
It's been done before, it can happen again. Especially if this organization witnesses Bryces maturation process excel, in which it is.

(Why would Maccagnan choose Geno Smith over Bryce petty (his guy, his selection, his project) over a guy who:

A) Doesn't want to be here (it's pretty evident) and many fans dont want him here.

B) Continues to draw attention to himself (not talking to reporters, MAN THE F UP!)

C) Is on the last year of his rookie deal and is actually auditioning for all the other 31 teams this year.)

This to me is the biggie.

I don't see why the FO would give up on their pick last year, for a guy who won't be here next year...

Surely if Geno performs then a trade will be sought!!!

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[jetgreen13]

This to me is the biggie.

I don't see why the FO would give up on their pick last year, for a guy who won't be here next year...

Surely if Geno performs then a trade will be sought!!!

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completely agree..

i keep hearing we need to keep smith because we are a "win now" team..

when the hell did smith become a "save a season" kind of QB??

 

[Old#15]

This to me is the biggie.

I don't see why the FO would give up on their pick last year, for a guy who won't be here next year...

Surely if Geno performs then a trade will be sought!!!

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I've done a complete flip-flop on this. I thought there was no way that MM/TB would go into the season with Petty and Hack as #s 2 and 3 respectively behind Fitz, but now I think it is a distinct possibility. It makes a ton of sense to audition Smith to the Dallas's of the NFL with the hope that he shows enough to recoup a pick and if really lucky to sweeten the deal with a pick of our own to get a quality young OLman.

 

[McJet]

My problem with Geno is his reads, his third down throw to a covered Ross when Amaro was a shorter easier throw for a first down to extend a drive. Then the one hopper to Morris who's ten yards away. The bobbled snap, he regroups and i was thinking, throw it away. He tries to run and then slides for a four yard loss.
I was hearing about the great otas he was having and his maturity, he is always going to have some wow throws. It's the little plays to execute to extend plays that he has had trouble with.
I'm rooting for Geno, the better he plays the better for the Jets organization as a whole. I thought Petty moved the team better than Geno did.I would like to see Petty against the two's to see how he does.
For me,right now, Geno still has too many 3 and outs. It's only one preseason game so far but he needs to show he can extend drives and score.