The Jets select Christian Hackenberg with the 51st pick

[Green Jets & Ham]

Question for the board

Can you name for me the QB who can get sacked over a hundred times and probably hit (hard) a hundred more, and his footwork won't look screwed up, his mechanics won't suffer, and he will play at a high level regardless of getting his ass kicked more than any QB in the nation, college or pros?

If we're gonna judge Hackenberg fairly, I just want to know which QB could have excelled under those conditions?

I've seen Tom Brady and various other all-time greats look like they never played the position when teams were able to bring the heat and knock the shit out of them.

Thats why Jon Gruden said he would have drafted him in the first round. Gruden understands what the numbers crunchers don't, that no QB can compete if he's getting his ass handed to him to the degree that this kid was. Its easy to say he should have done this and he didn't do that, but when you have no time to function and you are getting BLASTED on play after play, in the immortal words of Mike Tyson, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.

 

[jetgreen13]

You're right, he's way more advanced than Petty was when we drafted him. He has a very high football IQ and he basically ran the Patriots offense his freshman year for O'Brien, so he's already been in a pro set offense and he excelled at it, thats when he was being called a potential #1 Overall Pick, then the decline took place under Franklin and he should be arrested for what he did to this kid, not only in messing up his mechanics, but any coach who allows his QB to get sacked a hundred times and hit a hundred more should never get within a hundred miles of another head coaching job at any level. If your O-line isn't good enough to NOT get your QB killed, then you go to max protections, you do what you have to do, but you DO NOT let your QB get hit that much, what he did to this kid is criminal.

My fear for Hack is not the mechanics, I KNOW Gailey can fix that, like you said, its not like he has to learn the proper mechanics from scratch, he already had solid mechanics before Franklin changed his mechanics and had him playing CHUCK & DUCK football, my fear is that he hasn't taken such an enormous beating that his confidence needs to be rebuilt and he's already shell-shocked. Thats my only fear, if he can bounce back from the beating he has taken, he has all the tools to be a franchise QB as a traditional pocket passer.

it really is mind blowing finding out how irresponsible this franklin dope is..

he inherited the highest rated high school QB in the land.. the kid rips it up his freshmen season (running a pro style offense no less) & then this amazing asshole watches the kid get beaten like a drum running some "high school harry" horse spit offense??

complete indifference to hackenberg's health & mindset going foward to the NFL.. absolutely unbelievable that was allowed to happen.. the nerve of this incompetent SOB & penn state as well!! if he has a son i bet he wouldn't watch him get the hell beat out of him for two years running like that!! you can't make this spit up!!

end of rant..... all that said, what i took from what i saw from hackenberg getting walloped over & over is the kid hung in there & kept trying to make plays under extreme duress.. that's promising, IMO..

i don't think franklin ruined the kid but certainly not for lack of trying..

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

it really is mind blowing finding out how irresponsible this franklin dope is..

he inherited the highest rated high school QB in the land.. the kid rips it up his freshmen season (running a pro style offense no less) & then this amazing asshole watches the kid get beaten like a drum running some "high school harry" horse spit offense??

complete indifference to hackenberg's health & mindset going foward to the NFL.. absolutely unbelievable that was allowed to happen.. the nerve of this incompetent SOB & penn state as well!! if he has a son i bet he wouldn't watch him get the hell beat out of him for two years running like that!! you can't make this spit up!!

end of rant..... all that said, what i took from what i saw from hackenberg getting walloped over & over is the kid hung in there & kept trying to make plays under extreme duress.. that's promising, IMO..

i don't think franklin ruined the kid but certainly not for lack of trying..

I watched a tape of the hits he sustained and I had to turn it off, it was that bad, and I'm not the squeamish type, but the beating this kid sustained was brutal, it was like that scene in Cool Hand Luke where the big guy was beating him to death if it wasn't stopped. Its a miracle he din't blow out a knee, break bones or suffer at least a half-dozen concussions. That he only missed one game speaks to his toughness. NOBODY can question this kids toughness, and he must be made of steel.

 

[HYATT™]

HYATT™ has taken a looooong respit from NFL commentary, (corruption in the league has driven HYATT™ off).
It's sad that upon HYATT™'s first visit back here, it was to disagree with what appears to be 100% of you about the 2016 draft - ESPECIALLY the choice of QBs made - but generally to also make a statement of dissatisfaction with the Jets management of the draft overall.
HYATT™ is contemplating not making any more posts here at all, in order to avoid becoming a divisive focus.

Sooooo, as a compromise, HYATT™ will only post this much.
In a year, maybe less, Jets fans are going to come down off the current high about HACKenberg, look around, and UNDERSTAND which QB the Jets SHOULD have taken.

Liked the Shell pick at RT & late acquisition of Peake though.

 

[jetgreen13]

I watched a tape of the hits he sustained and I had to turn it off, it was that bad, and I'm not the squeamish type, but the beating this kid sustained was brutal, it was like that scene in Cool Hand Luke where the big guy was beating him to death if it wasn't stopped. Its a miracle he din't blow out a knee, break bones or suffer at least a half-dozen concussions. That he only missed one game speaks to his toughness, NOBODY can question this kids toughness, and he must be made of steel.

i'm hoping that both his physical & mental toughness has prevented franklin from ruining the kid..

also i'm encouraged by how legitimately impressed gruden was with hackenberg.. he seemed impressed with petty as well when he had him on his show but he definitely stopped short of saying he expected petty to be a first rounder like he did with hackenberg.. can't see him giving that kind endorsement if he thinks the kid's "shell shocked.."

i'm starting to believe if/when fitzpatrick re-signs, our QB issues will be settled for the next 10+ years..

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Best scouting report I have ever seen on the internet, the kind of stuff you would get from GM's, coaches and scouts.

If you don't normally watch posted videos, make an exception here, this is how coaches and scouts break down film, this evaluation goes a lot deeper than what the average fan and journalist sees.

 

[Elias]

HYATT™ has taken a looooong respit from NFL commentary, (corruption in the league has driven HYATT™ off).
It's sad that upon HYATT™'s first visit back here, it was to disagree with what appears to be 100% of you about the 2016 draft - ESPECIALLY the choice of QBs made - but generally to also make a statement of dissatisfaction with the Jets management of the draft overall.
HYATT™ is contemplating not making any more posts here at all, in order to avoid becoming a divisive focus.

Sooooo, as a compromise, HYATT™ will only post this much.
In a year, maybe less, Jets fans are going to come down off the current high about HACKlenberg, look around, and UNDERSTAND which QB the Jets SHOULD have taken.

Liked the Shell pick at RT & late acquisition of Peake though.

so who is it that we should have taken?

 

[jetgreen13]

Best scouting report I have ever seen on the internet, the kind of stuff you would get from GM's, coaches and scouts.

If you don't normally watch posted videos, make an exception here, this is how coaches and scouts break down film, this evaluation goes a lot deeper than what the average fan and journalist sees.

watched it earlier today & it's just another reason i've gotten very pumped about our QB situation going foward..

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

2014 vs Michigan. No o-line and Franklin as head coach. The kid is just left to dry:




2013 vs Michigan, the kid played the game of his life. Full on pressure, manning a pro style offense:

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

I watched the whole thing in case anyone would like to look at this game play by play in its entirety:

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

so who is it that we should have taken?

Don't waste your time Elias, This guy thought the Jets should have taken Josh Freeman and also (possibly still thinks) MATT CASSEL is better than Tom Brady.

Also the guy thought Ted Thompson is a horrible GM for the Pack for drafting Aaron Rodgers.

(go back to bed Hyatt) :global (13):

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Best scouting report I have ever seen on the internet, the kind of stuff you would get from GM's, coaches and scouts.

If you don't normally watch posted videos, make an exception here, this is how coaches and scouts break down film, this evaluation goes a lot deeper than what the average fan and journalist sees.

I watched this yesterday morning and it just convinced me that much more that we have something really special here.

 

[OCCH]

HYATT™ has taken a looooong respit from NFL commentary, (corruption in the league has driven HYATT™ off).
It's sad that upon HYATT™'s first visit back here, it was to disagree with what appears to be 100% of you about the 2016 draft - ESPECIALLY the choice of QBs made - but generally to also make a statement of dissatisfaction with the Jets management of the draft overall.
HYATT™ is contemplating not making any more posts here at all, in order to avoid becoming a divisive focus.

Sooooo, as a compromise, HYATT™ will only post this much.
In a year, maybe less, Jets fans are going to come down off the current high about HACKlenberg, look around, and UNDERSTAND which QB the Jets SHOULD have taken.

Liked the Shell pick at RT & late acquisition of Peake though.

While I had every intention of ignoring this post, I at least have to point out the foolishness of thinking we'd turn on Hackenburg "in a year or less". That statement assumes we'll not only see this kid play, but we'll see him enough to "know" that he's garbage before he turns 22. Yet the only way he'd see the field is if he DID show something, in which case there would be enough reason for optimism to endure any speed bumps along the way.

I'm more than willing to admit he may not pan out (same as ANY draft pick), but in your effort for hyperbole you lost all credibility . . .

 

[OCCH]

Anyway, back to the topic on hand:

I've read Gailey's system is actually more suited to Petty than to Hackenburg. Is there any truth to this? If so, does that give Petty the upper hand, or does Gailey tinker to maximize Hack's skill set?

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Anyway, back to the topic on hand:

I've read Gailey's system is actually more suited to Petty than to Hackenburg. Is there any truth to this? If so, does that give Petty the upper hand, or does Gailey tinker to maximize Hack's skill set?

I don't know how true that is, Petty never took a single snap under center at Baylor. Not all spread offenses are the same. Gailey runs a pro offense with elements of the college spread. Also Hackenberg is far more advanced at reading coverages and making adjustments at the LOS, Petty was in more of a one read system, a spread offense and find the open man. Pretty basic stuff, not like the advanced calculus degree a QB needs in the NFL. But all that said, Petty has a one year head start in our system, so that probably evens it out and makes for an interesting competition.

This is going to make training camp and the preseason games a must watch for me.

Oh and one interesting note, just something I noticed, after last years draft Mac and Bowles both made it clear that Petty is not ready and will need at least a year on the bench. When asked the same question about Hack, neither would say he cannot play this year, they both took more of a wait and see attitude.

 

[OCCH]

Oh and one interesting note, just something I noticed, after last years draft Mac and Bowles both made it clear that Petty is not ready and will need at least a year on the bench. When asked the same question about Hack, neither would say he cannot play this year, they both took more of a wait and see attitude.

I'm getting the same vibe.

I'd be fine with him sitting as long as he needs to, but even the POSSIBILITY of him taking the bull by the horns -- July can't get here fast enough . . .

 

[HYATT™]

so who is it that we should have taken?

Let me put it this way.
There were good reasons why HACKenberg was not a top QB prospect in this class, even though Goff, Wentz, & Lynch all had major defects when considering drafting a franchise QB.
HYATT™ believes you already know which OTHER QB the Jets SHOULD have taken, but even if you exclude him, Hoodie saw value somewhere OTHER than in HACKenberg.
If anyone thinks Hoodie doesn't know a little something about the QB position, there's no hope of relying on THEIR judgement on the matter.

Steven Jones saw value somewhere OTHER than HACKenberg and all he's got is Romo and some yahoo named Jamell Showers, (and now Dak Prescott, which might end up a better pick than HACKenberg - as he has been considered the better of the two for a couple of years now & only fell below HACKenberg in the past month or so).

Andy Reid saw himself going forward WITHOUT HACKenberg - and he's sitting on an older Alex Smith, Aaron Murray, & Tyler Bray, fer krist sakes.
HYATT™ isn't all that surprised Andy chose to go with the winning-est QB in Stanford history, (including Elway and Luck) - though HYATT™ isn't particularly enamored with Hogan, hisself.

Even BUF, with no QB at all, (unless you want to consider Tyrod Taylor and E.J. Manuel as your franchise QBs), saw value elsewhere.

AS you can well imagine, arm length is a factor in QB passing.
HACKenberg had the shortest arms of all of the 2016 class of QBs (32"), though Prescott wasn't far behind at 32.25".

HYATT™ IS chuckling a bit about the fact that Reggie McKenzie now has TWO franchise QBs in his stable - 2 DAMN good ones too.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Connor Cook. The same guy that fell in the draft because most of the people on his team and coaching staff couldn't stand him. A QB who wasn't even a Captain, for godsakes!

I'll go with Macc's assessment of Hackenberg. Macc is the first GM with significant scouting experience we've had in a while. He did his homework on him. I trust it. The Jets need to show some stones once in a while, and take a chance on a QB with big upside. It may or may not work out, but I like the guts to at least try.

On a side note, isn't it typical that Costello, Cimini, and a few others are already throwing out the Christian Hackenberg ultimatum: Macc's entire reputation and credibility are tied up in this ONE pick. So if Darron Lee, Jordan Jenkins, and say Burris or Peake become big contributors for this team, it doesn't matter because Hackenberg didn't work out.

These guys actually get paid decent money to give horrible opinions.

 

[hobson54]

If anyone thinks Hoodie doesn't know a little something about the QB position, there's no hope of relying on THEIR judgement on the matter.

you want to ask hoodie if he thinks matt cassell is a betterr QB than tom brady :global (6):

btw, not sure what your post above even means considering we took hackenberg before the pats even made their 1st pick.

 

[gmf1369]

Anyway, back to the topic on hand:

I've read Gailey's system is actually more suited to Petty than to Hackenburg. Is there any truth to this? If so, does that give Petty the upper hand, or does Gailey tinker to maximize Hack's skill set?

Petty has the advantage on system based similarity... Hackenberg is more technically sound than Petty at this point... Both have big arms and accuracy is solid so the competition between the two is who wants it more and work on their deficiencies to take the next step and the job...