The Jets select Christian Hackenberg with the 51st pick

[lounap23]

Petty in my opinion will our starter...... Hackenberg has to work on something that comes naturally to Petty...... Accuaracy. Petty needs to read a defense but he is smart enough to do that and do that quickly (possibly this year, I think this year) to change Hackenbergs mechanics to be more accurate will take at least 2 years. Hackenberg might be the man after that but like NYJetsDan said having 2 young QB stud QBS is a great thing to me as well.

 

[lounap23]

with all due respect FL, i can't see a point being strengthened using these two "flimflam artists.."

Give Stephen A some credit... He said the Jets would be good this year, we were. He said the Defense would be one of the best not quite the top 3 he predcted but top 7..... He said marshall would have a monster bounce back year... he did... I am not a fan of these blowhards specifically Skip Bayless but Stephen A usually has some nuggets in his commentary...

And for the Record many experts said Petty was worthy of a being a 1st round pick

 

[jetgreen13]

Give Stephen A some credit... He said the Jets would be good this year, we were. He said the Defense would be one of the best not quite the top 3 he predcted but top 7..... He said marshall would have a monster bounce back year... he did... I am not a fan of these blowhards specifically Skip Bayless but Stephen A usually has some nuggets in his commentary...

And for the Record many experts said Petty was worthy of a #1 pick

i'm a fan of petty & was very happy with the pick.. still am.. from what i've heard, petty slipped in the draft because of a horrible week of practice at the senior bowl..

smith & bayless are entertainers doing "point counter point," nothing more.. most of the time they are badly misinformed because they are no longer journalists.. they are dog & pony show..

 

[OCCH]

Give Stephen A some credit... He said the Jets would be good this year, we were. He said the Defense would be one of the best not quite the top 3 he predcted but top 7..... He said marshall would have a monster bounce back year... he did... I am not a fan of these blowhards specifically Skip Bayless but Stephen A usually has some nuggets in his commentary...

And for the Record many experts said Petty was worthy of a being a 1st round pick

Stephen A's "nuggets" are equivalent to the "nuggets" I deposit when I spend quality time in the bathroom.

He is the poster child for the "blind squirrel" analogy (as is Bayless) . . .

 

[flgreen]

in this scenario, does fitzpatrick not sign until training camp if at all??

WHEN Fitz signs, he will be the starter. It just doesn't make any sense for them not to come to some kind of agreement.
Fitz is trying to get as much out of his pay day as he can.

I'm talking about when smith, Hackenberg, and Petty are at OTA's. If given a chance, this will be Petty's opportunity to take over the role of "heir apparent". If he doesn't come out big time early, he might be forgotten about with a 2nd round pick in camp.

In all honesty, I don't care which one of them is the Jets franchise QB of the future, just IMO Petty has better tools. 21 rushing TD's a high completion %, strong arm, lighting fast quick release, while throwing the ball up field more.

We'll see shortly.

 

[HYATT™]

So you regularly bash Brady as overrated, yet laud "Hoodie" as being some genius at evaluating QBs? You do know Hoodie has made Brady his starter for, what, about 15 years now?

There are teams that need a franchise QB and there are teams that have a franchise HC/GM - who can make due with a Field General almost better than with a franchise QB.
Hoodie is one of those guys.
Lombardi was another.

HYATT™ never thought much of Bart Starr's abilities as a QB, but as a Field General for the best HC/GM of his generation, he was the perfect fit.
Such is the case with Tommy Terrific - shitty QB, great Field General who will execute "THE PLAN" with precision.
Lucky for him, "THE PLAN" is being designed by the modern equivalent of Sun-Tzu, who knows how to get around the fact that Brady is NOT a stud QB and adjusts accordingly.

Ask HYATT™ which one he wants to start a football team with & the answer only comes out one way.

A number of years ago HYATT™ conducted an assessment of the number of Super Bowls won by "gun-slingers" vs "system QBs".
System QBs held a slight edge, (23-18, or some such comparison), but that lede was predicated on system QBs who won multiple titles under a brilliant HC.
One-off Lombardis were won more frequently by gunslingers.
All it really told HYATT™ is that there are at least 3 good ways to win a championship.
1.) Have a brilliant HC and a Field General to execute the system nearly flawlessly, on a team with a lot of talent elsewhere.
(Starr/GBP, Griese-Strock et al./MIA, Bradshaw/PIT, Theismann-Williams-Rypien/WAS, Staubach-Aikman/DAL, Simms-Hostetler/NYG, Montana/49ers, Brady/NEP)

2.) Have a gunslinger QB who can paper over deficiencies in talent and drag a team to a championship on his back IN SPITE OF lesser coaching and/or talent-deficits around him.
(LaMonica-Stabler-Plunkett/OAK, Namuth/NJJ, Elway/DEN, Favre-Rodgers/GBP, Eli/NYG, Big Ben/PIT, Flacco/BAL)

3.) Gunslinger QB WITH a ton of talent surrounding him AND great coaching - which doesn't ALWAYS result in a championship, even with all those advantages.
(Warner/StL & AZ, McMahon/CHI, Elway/DEN, Kelly/BUF, Tarkenton/MIN)

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

There are teams that need a franchise QB and there are teams that have a franchise HC/GM - who can make due with a Field General almost better than with a franchise QB.
Hoodie is one of those guys.
Lombardi was another.

HYATT™ never thought much of Bart Starr's abilities as a QB, but as a Field General for the best HC/GM of his generation, he was the perfect fit.
Such is the case with Tommy Terrific - shitty QB, great Field General who will execute "THE PLAN" with precision.
Lucky for him, "THE PLAN" is being designed by the modern equivalent of Sun-Tzu, who knows how to get around the fact that Brady is NOT a stud QB and adjusts accordingly.

Ask HYATT™ which one he wants to start a football team with & the answer only comes out one way.

A number of years ago HYATT™ conducted an assessment of the number of Super Bowls won by "gun-slingers" vs "system QBs".
System QBs held a slight edge, (23-18, or some such comparison), but that lede was predicated on system QBs who won multiple titles under a brilliant HC.
One-off Lombardis were won more frequently by gunslingers.
All it really told HYATT™ is that there are at least 3 good ways to win a championship.
1.) Have a brilliant HC and a Field General to execute the system nearly flawlessly, on a team with a lot of talent elsewhere.
(Starr/GBP, Griese-Strock et al./MIA, Bradshaw/PIT, Theismann-Williams-Rypien/WAS, Staubach-Aikman/DAL, Simms-Hostetler/NYG, Montana/49ers, Brady/NEP)

2.) Have a gunslinger QB who can paper over deficiencies in talent and drag a team to a championship on his back IN SPITE OF lesser coaching and/or talent-deficits around him.
(LaMonica-Stabler-Plunkett/OAK, Namuth/NJJ, Elway/DEN, Favre-Rodgers/GBP, Eli/NYG, Big Ben/PIT, Flacco/BAL)

3.) Gunslinger QB WITH a ton of talent surrounding him AND great coaching - which doesn't ALWAYS result in a championship, even with all those advantages.
(Warner/StL & AZ, McMahon/CHI, Elway/DEN, Kelly/BUF, Tarkenton/MIN)

I stopped reading at "Th...

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[NYJETSDAN16]

Joe Capros of turn on the jets...Well Done:

http://turnonthejets.com/2016/05/new-york-jets-film-room-christian-hackenberg/

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Bryce Petty states "He's night and day" from year one.



http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/05/jets_bryce_petty_says_he_is_night-and-day_more_adv.html

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

The Jets select Christian Hackenberg with the 51st pick

Bryce Petty states "He's night and day" from year one.



http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/05/jets_bryce_petty_says_he_is_night-and-day_more_adv.html

Well playing Madden will do that for any QB. His tweet after was pretty funny though.

 

[gastineau]

So I have a question on Hackenberg being Drafted by our Jets. First our GM obviously based Drafting of him on his Freshman yr & HC Bill O'Brien comments to him. But if Hackenberg was this super star College QB & the next coming franchise NFL QB, why didnt Bill O'Brien Draft him knowing in 2-3 seasons he will be a Franchise NFL QB for Texans? I'm a little confused of the Drafting of Hackenberg based only on Freshman year& nothing of last 3. The most important attributes of NFL QB in order is 1.Passing accuracy & 2.how he handles himself under Pressure from Defenses & 3.arm strength & Hackenberg has only shown 1 of those 3 attributes of arm strength.

 

[gastineau]

Of the 3 current Jets QB's based on College stats of actual passing yds & accuracy & not counting YAK yds, hands down Petty is the far best QB on Jets Roster. Over half of Geno's College Passing yds were YAK yds & his best was from shotgun, screen passes from 0-10 accuracy %. Hackenberg has very similar stats to Geno on INT's & accuracy & handling Defensive pressure. Petty connected long passes accurately & shows on his stats while handling Defensive Pressure well. Who is your choice of these 3 to start? Mine hands down is Petty, & with this good O-Line/top NFL 2 WR's/2 RB's makes any QB better. Heck WR'S-RB'S made Fitz look like a super star NFL QB...& we all know that isn't true by his past.

 

[gmf1369]

So I have a question on Hackenberg being Drafted by our Jets. First our GM obviously based Drafting of him on his Freshman yr & HC Bill O'Brien comments to him. But if Hackenberg was this super star College QB & the next coming franchise NFL QB, why didnt Bill O'Brien Draft him knowing in 2-3 seasons he will be a Franchise NFL QB for Texans? I'm a little confused of the Drafting of Hackenberg based only on Freshman year& nothing of last 3. The most important attributes of NFL QB in order is 1.Passing accuracy & 2.how he handles himself under Pressure from Defenses & 3.arm strength & Hackenberg has only shown 1 of those 3 attributes of arm strength.

on your question, they just signed Brock who has a similar build, style to Hackenberg to that massive 4 yr $72 million dollar contract whom is already NFL established... not saying he is going to be the next big thing in Houston but he has the tools to be... With Hackenberg his first season at PSU showed he can be capable, his next two years shows his toughness and willingness to compete... For all the shots he took to get back up and compete even tho the talent was less than sub par shows a competitor and a leader that any team would want in their locker room... as much as there were needs around the league to draft quarterbacks after the first three came off the board there really wasn't a need except for us to draft those developmental prospects until round three...

Of the 3 current Jets QB's based on College stats of actual passing yds & accuracy & not counting YAK yds, hands down Petty is the far best QB on Jets Roster. Over half of Geno's College Passing yds were YAK yds & his best was from shotgun, screen passes from 0-10 accuracy %. Hackenberg has very similar stats to Geno on INT's & accuracy & handling Defensive pressure. Petty connected long passes accurately & shows on his stats while handling Defensive Pressure well. Who is your choice of these 3 to start? Mine hands down is Petty, & with this good O-Line/top NFL 2 WR's/2 RB's makes any QB better. Heck WR'S-RB'S made Fitz look like a super star NFL QB...& we all know that isn't true by his past.

statistics in college are some what misleading... geno had talent surrounding him but his stats were actually short slants, out routes and bubble routes that the receivers turned into the yards he was awarded with... yes geno has the arm strength but the deep ball accuracy is less than 50/50... on the other hand petty was good when he got time and able to drop dimes on deep balls like geno he had talent his entire career... unfortunately petty's one problem was when pressure was coming he was staring it down instead of looking for an open target... bryce's footwork in the pocket is sub par even tho his playbook in college is very similar to what the jets are currently running, one would figure he would be a lock to be the guy... now back to this year's selection, the jets are hoping they can break hackenberg down to when he was a freshman and build upon the mechanics he has and develop him into a possible starter but that doesn't mean christian is ahead of petty at this point in time... petty still has the edge regardless of where he was drafted last draft to where hackenberg was taken this year... I would say different if hackenberg was taken in the first round but he wasn't...

 

[flgreen]

"The unsportsmanlike conduct was witnessed by New York Giants running back Shane Vereen, who was honorary co-captain of the Bravest, as were Jets quarterback Bryce Petty and his former teammate QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, currently a free agent, sources said."

An interesting side line from a N Y Post article about a brawl that broke out between the NYPD and The NYFD at a charity football game between the two. LOL

The reason I found it interesting was last year after Petty was drafted Fitz invited him to his home in Arizona. Petty stayed there as Fitz's guest for two weeks, and they became fast friends.

Petty would later state that he learned more about being a QB in the weeks leading up to camp from Fitz then he had in his college career. His play in pre-season was much improved playing from under center then I had anticipated. He looked like he belonged. Petty would say later in a fluff piece that during camp, and into the season, Fitz would text him football QB problems at 11 pm to help him learn.

I couldn't help wonder if their mentor/friend relationship was continuing with the uncertainty of Fitz's contract. What better guy could Petty learn from. Fitz's physical skills can certainly be questioned, but his smarts as a QB can't.

It seems like they are still spending a lot of time together, so maybe Petty is learning more then from Madden.

This is a big, big summer for Petty. In the press he has become some what of an after thought with the drafting of Hackenberg, he'll have to step up and grab the CS's attention. Hope he surprises everyone in OTA's. If Fitz doesn't sign until July or so, which is what I suspect, OTA's will be Petty's chance to show the Jets they can let smith go his merry way

 

[SackExchange]

Glad the Post edited their article. When I read it last night, it made reference to Bryce Petty and "Brian Fitzpatrick."

 

[gastineau]

I like Petty Better also gmf. But if Hackenberg was that absolute super star QB like Aaron Rogers, no GM-Coach that had him at College in Freshman year would pass on him. They thought Hackenberg was that good in at all, they would have Drafted him & sit him behind starting QB for 2-3 years like Roger's & Farve & then Played him. I'm shocked that Jets GM based his QB pick on 1 year! Freshman Year at that, discounting his awful later years. Cr@p like this is why Jets haven't had a Franchise QB since Namath. We pass them up in Drafts & Draft high risk picks. Just think if we had Marino! Jets would have won 2 SB for sure with him & our Defense Sack Exchange.

 

[Bronx]

The Jets select Christian Hackenberg with the 51st pick

ESPN Jets reporter Rich Cimini said Christian Hackenberg has looked like a "typical rookie" at OTAs.
That's not a compliment. Cimini said Hackenberg's passes have been "fluttering" and described his footwork as "robotic." During Wednesday's practice session, Hackenberg sailed two consecutive 15-yard passes over the head of his tight end with no defenders in sight. A rookie having a rough day in June isn't anything to lose sleep over but the second-round pick remains a work in progress. "Right now I expect him to look sloppy because he’s seeing a whole boat load of defenses that are coming at him daily, and there’s going to be a growth period," said head coach Todd Bowles. Hackenberg's development will take on greater importance if the Jets fail to re-sign Ryan Fitzpatrick.


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[Bronx]

From Jets Wire:

With that being said, I think it’s safe to say Hackenberg is well ahead of second-year pro Bryce Petty. Petty hasn’t looked good this offseason. Not in any facet: He’s been off in individuals, looked lost in team drills and even struggled in 7-on-7. He’s a project player, and is still a project player. The fact is: He’s not ready to go.


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[Old#15]

From Jets Wire:

With that being said, I think it’s safe to say Hackenberg is well ahead of second-year pro Bryce Petty. Petty hasn’t looked good this offseason. Not in any facet: He’s been off in individuals, looked lost in team drills and even struggled in 7-on-7. He’s a project player, and is still a project player. The fact is: He’s not ready to go.


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As it should be, its between Fitz and Geno. I think anyone entertaining the idea that either Petty or Hack is capable of QBing the team this year is dreaming. Long term, maybe but not 2016.

 

[Bronx]

As it should be, its between Fitz and Geno. I think anyone entertaining the idea that either Petty or Hack is capable of QBing the team this year is dreaming. Long term, maybe but not 2016.

Agree 1000%


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