The Never-ending Geno debate

[Green Jets & Ham]

Good points on the INT's, guys, all sound arguments that are factual.

 

[OCCH]

This wouldn't even be a topic on any other team but many Jet fans won't be satisfied until the team has it's very own Tom Brady.

To be fair, I just think we want our very own LONG-TERM QB. I like Fitz well enough, but he still feels like a band-aid. While I have no expectations for Geno, I wouldn't be against seeing him one last time with this regime (but only if the opportunity presented itself - DEFINITELY not now) . .

 

[Lakerfan80]

To be fair, I just think we want our very own LONG-TERM QB. I like Fitz well enough, but he still feels like a band-aid. While I have no expectations for Geno, I wouldn't be against seeing him one last time with this regime (but only if the opportunity presented itself - DEFINITELY not now) . .

Long term here with the Jets is 4 years. No SB and a bad season or two and Jets fans/media are ready to reach down in the bag for another shot at Tom Brady. I've seen if before. Guys like Rivers or Romo don't make 8-10 years if they were with the Jets.

 

[OCCH]

Long term here with the Jets is 4 years. No SB and a bad season or two and Jets fans/media are ready to reach down in the bag for another shot at Tom Brady. I've seen if before. Guys like Rivers or Romo don't make 8-10 years if they were with the Jets.

Would you care to list examples of QBs we gave up on too early? Who we let go and went on to have productive careers?

You have to find the talent before you can properly evaluate it . . .

 

[Lakerfan80]

Would you care to list examples of QBs we gave up on too early? Who we let go and went on to have productive careers?

You have to find the talent before you can properly evaluate it . . .

Does it really matter what they went on to do after we discarded them? Does that make the decision right? Chad went on and won a division title and was runner up MVP the season after we got rid of him for Favre. Favre went on and led the Vikings to the NFC championship game after Jet fans and the media they follow declared Favre finished. Maybe 2nd round Kellens could have become a player here. I don't believe another franchise would have let Sanchez go after 4 seasons when he was 4-2 in the playoffs with AFC title game appearances.

Give me a list of guy that this franchise has shown the kind of patience and determination that Jerry Jones and the Cowboys put in Romo.

 

[flgreen]

The first 2 seasons Romo actually took a snap his RTG's were 95.1 and 97.4

Smith's are 66.5 and 77.5 .

 

[jetgreen13]

Does it really matter what they went on to do after we discarded them? Does that make the decision right? Chad went on and won a division title and was runner up MVP the season after we got rid of him for Favre. Favre went on and led the Vikings to the NFC championship game after Jet fans and the media they follow declared Favre finished. Maybe 2nd round Kellens could have become a player here. I don't believe another franchise would have let Sanchez go after 4 seasons when he was 4-2 in the playoffs with AFC title game appearances.

Give me a list of guy that this franchise has shown the kind of patience and determination that Jerry Jones and the Cowboys put in Romo.

i was a big pennington fan but once faced a big boy defence in the playoffs (including in miami) he got embarrassed..

favre was a one year rental because all he wanted to do was sign with the vikings to try to stick it to the packers..

sanchez, who i was also a fan of have trouble completing 50% of his passes & regressed badly after years one & two..

& klemens was just not a very good QB..

love him or hate him, romo has always put up big time numbers & will probably be on the HOF ballot one day..

 

[Lakerfan80]

The first 2 seasons Romo actually took a snap his RTG's were 95.1 and 97.4

Smith's are 66.5 and 77.5 .

Sanchez first two season he took his team somewhere Romo still hasn't been...and Sanchez didn't have an owner that made sure he had the best toys to play with either. Jerry stuck thru Romo and the botched field goal snap, the playoff disaster against the Giants and 3 straiight season ending losses against division rivals for the title...no NY Jet QB will make it thru all of that.

 

[mykcuz]

It takes hutzpah to write that column when the Jets are 3-1, but IMO its not as crazy as it sounds.

Do I think it will happen? Absolutely not, there's no way Bowles is making a QB switch at 3-1, but lets not kid ourselves, Fitz has been far from perfect, he's thrown 6 INT's thru four games (and there could have been more), that equals out to 24 INT's over a full season, far too many, particularly for a game manager whose primary attribute is supposed to be his intelligence and decision making, and his 7 to 6 TD to INT ratio is hardly up to snuff either.

Lastly we have also seen thru four games that the book on his arm strength, or lack thereof, was not overstated. He's very good with the short to intermediate stuff inside the hash marks, but his arm limitations are noticeable on deep balls and out patterns, particularly his deep balls that resemble wounded ducks and volley floaters, and those limitations become more pronounced as the weather grows colder in the northeast and the winds start swirling at MetLife.

I'm not saying we will or even should make the switch at 3-1, but Geno has more arm talent and there are some real danger signs we have seen with Fitzpatrick despite being 3-1. Winning is nice, thats why you don't switch, but there are genuine reasons to be concerned about the QB.

Fitz is only responsible for 2 or 3 ints over 4 games. 3 came after colon got hurt, winters came in and took a nap. Marshalls lateral was deemed an int. And let's not forget, geno could have 6 ints in one game.

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[mykcuz]

Sanchez first two season he took his team somewhere Romo still hasn't been...and Sanchez didn't have an owner that made sure he had the best toys to play with either. Jerry stuck thru Romo and the botched field goal snap, the playoff disaster against the Giants and 3 straiight season ending losses against division rivals for the title...no NY Jet QB will make it thru all of that.

Calm down there cowboy!
Let's get one thing straight, Sanchez didn't bring us anywhere, our first ranked defense did. Sanchez averaged like 9 or 10 points those seasons.

The problem with Sanchez was that our staff didn't know who he was and who he wasn't. When he was a game manager with a pretty armband and had LT to run the ball, while only throwing 15 attempts a game we won. When Rex said he was going to open up the offense Sanchez was out of place. He's not a pocket passer. They moved away from his strength and he suffered.

Holmes was the perfect guy talent wise, but we lost LT, our defense got old and slow, and we abandoned a play action offense.

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[OCCH]

The first 2 seasons Romo actually took a snap his RTG's were 95.1 and 97.4

Smith's are 66.5 and 77.5 .

+1

We haven't given up on anyone even remotely "special".

If I'm supposed to regret letting go of Browning Nagle, Kellen Clemens, Mark Sanchez and (likely) Geno Smith . . . Just can't bring myself to do it . . .

 

[flgreen]

Sanchez first two season he took his team somewhere Romo still hasn't been...and Sanchez didn't have an owner that made sure he had the best toys to play with either. Jerry stuck thru Romo and the botched field goal snap, the playoff disaster against the Giants and 3 straiight season ending losses against division rivals for the title...no NY Jet QB will make it thru all of that.

Romo was good as soon as he started playing. Yeah, every QB who hasn't won a Super Bowl has playoff skeletons in their closet.

" Sanchez didn't have an owner that made sure he had the best toys to play with either."
This I don't get. Woody has never been shy about spending money. He doesn't pick the players, he signs the check. If you want to blame someone for often paying trhe wrong players, Mikey T's your boy.

Woody just spent a ton of money this year, Jets are smack against he cap right now. Hoping that Macc did a better job with it.

I think he did

 

[Lakerfan80]

Calm down there cowboy!
Let's get one thing straight, Sanchez didn't bring us anywhere, our first ranked defense did. Sanchez averaged like 9 or 10 points those seasons.

The problem with Sanchez was that our staff didn't know who he was and who he wasn't. When he was a game manager with a pretty armband and had LT to run the ball, while only throwing 15 attempts a game we won. When Rex said he was going to open up the offense Sanchez was out of place. He's not a pocket passer. They moved away from his strength and he suffered.

Holmes was the perfect guy talent wise, but we lost LT, our defense got old and slow, and we abandoned a play action offense.

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True our defense was great. Reminds me of the Seattle team that won the SB and almost won a second. Great defense, great run game and QB who managed the game.

Sanchez fell off but please don't count Holmes as the perfect guy, he was the first big mistake. After Sanchez was drafted the team used 5 1st round picks on DL and corners.

 

[mykcuz]

True our defense was great. Reminds me of the Seattle team that won the SB and almost won a second. Great defense, great run game and QB who managed the game.

Sanchez fell off but please don't count Holmes as the perfect guy, he was the first big mistake. After Sanchez was drafted the team used 5 1st round picks on DL and corners.

Holmes was perfect for Sanchez on the field. He was an amazing talent to grab inaccurate passes off play action. After those 2 first years everything went to hell and Holmes included.

Notice I was specific regarding on the field.

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[Old#15]

A little balance here, so a couple of questions for the comments above: With regards to Sanchez going nowhere without a top tier defense, do you think the Jets would be 3-1 right now with last years defense? What happened to Sanchez when Tanny decided that his security blanket (BEdwards) was no longer needed? How do you think Fitz would do without BMarshall? How would Fitz do with the dysfunctional coaching that both Sanchez and Geno had in their formative years? As far as Romo goes, did he play as a raw rookie or did Parcells have him sit for a couple of years before subjecting him to full time duty? Actual he didn't take a snap until his 4th year. Do you think the time sitting and learning might have helped him? Do you think that both Sanchez and Geno might have benefitted from sitting and learning at a more reasonable level? Remember Sanchez only had a year of starting experience in college and Geno came from a program system that barely resembles what goes on in the NFL. In retrospect, I don't think either one of these guys had a chance given where they came from and what they were thrust into (Rex coached offense, miserable supporting casts and NY spotlight).
I'm not suggesting that Sanchez or Geno should be starting over Fitz right now, but a little perspective is in order when making comparisons over years with different teams and coaching staffs.

 

[ucrenegade]

It's Geno's b-day

It's Geno's b-day

I think we should let him start this week for his b-day.

 

[Elias]

Happy birthday Geno!!!

 

[Fudbutter]

Another year older, another year wiser

 

[mykcuz]

A little balance here, so a couple of questions for the comments above: With regards to Sanchez going nowhere without a top tier defense, do you think the Jets would be 3-1 right now with last years defense? What happened to Sanchez when Tanny decided that his security blanket (BEdwards) was no longer needed? How do you think Fitz would do without BMarshall? How would Fitz do with the dysfunctional coaching that both Sanchez and Geno had in their formative years? As far as Romo goes, did he play as a raw rookie or did Parcells have him sit for a couple of years before subjecting him to full time duty? Actual he didn't take a snap until his 4th year. Do you think the time sitting and learning might have helped him? Do you think that both Sanchez and Geno might have benefitted from sitting and learning at a more reasonable level? Remember Sanchez only had a year of starting experience in college and Geno came from a program system that barely resembles what goes on in the NFL. In retrospect, I don't think either one of these guys had a chance given where they came from and what they were thrust into (Rex coached offense, miserable supporting casts and NY spotlight).
I'm not suggesting that Sanchez or Geno should be starting over Fitz right now, but a little perspective is in order when making comparisons over years with different teams and coaching staffs.

Agreed there are 1000 variables that would necessitate a book to compare, not forum posts. But, this is how we entertain and annoy each other.

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[flgreen]

Agreed there are 1000 variables that would necessitate a book to compare, not forum posts. But, this is how we entertain and annoy each other.

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