Tough times are ahead

[Elias]

This season is done as far as I know. Unless we win our next two games.

But it forget this season, I'm more concerned about our future. I'm not so sure we have built a good team. Our team is old and we will have a tough few years unless we get lucky and hit on a franchise

Mangold, Marshall, Revis, Harris - all who have been a big part of this team may not be here next year. Do you think the youngins we have here will be able to replace them?

Sorry for for such a gloomy post.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Hopefully Petty, Anderson, Jalin, Enunwa, ASJ all make this offense something worth watching next season and at some point this season.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

If we're smart, we'll start trading off veterans for draft picks prior to the trade deadline.

This team has a lot of attractive veterans for legit SB contending teams, veterans who can put a real SB contender over the top if they are in need of an upgrade at that particular position, those kinds of assets can retrieve valuable draft picks if you are clever in how you use them. I don't mean first round picks, lets be clear, but stockpiling picks outside of the first round is the smart move for a team that needs to rebuild, its the model Jimmy Johnson used to rebuild the Cowboys when he took over for Tom Landry, he basically conducted a fire-sale on veterans who still had some value.

But you can't be sentimental about these things, THATS THE KEY, you can't say well this guy is too popular with Jets fans, if you can get valuable draft picks for aging veterans, YOU DO IT and NOBODY is off limits.

 

[njimport]

Agree 100% but trades are rare in football. The team looked deflated on the sidelines just wish the locker room is still upbeat otherwise we need to start the younger guys to see what we have.

 

[soj]

Yep the season has officially turned ugly and frankly is over from a PO perspective.

Funny, my wife came in and asked if we were winning because I was so quite she didn't realize that I was "catatonic" and speechless. I turned the game on in the 2nd Q and knew from the way this team played we would lose. They just lack fire... the HC often talks about "situational FB" yet these guys seem clueless as does the HC and his staff.

I'll tell you now the fans and media are going to start having a field day with this latest performance. There is no way - none - that Woody is happy or Mac. the talent is better than what is being exhibited on the field so the "heat" is on now because they have been out coached and out played in the last two games.

Last week the HC said we need to look at everything...well I guess the analysis didn't last long because they all stunk again

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

If we're smart, we'll start trading off veterans for draft picks prior to the trade deadline.

This team has a lot of attractive veterans for legit SB contending teams, veterans who can put a real SB contender over the top if they are in need of an upgrade at that particular position, those kinds of assets can retrieve valuable draft picks if you are clever in how you use them. I don't mean first round picks, lets be clear, but stockpiling picks outside of the first round is the smart move for a team that needs to rebuild, its the model Jimmy Johnson used to rebuild the Cowboys when he took over for Tom Landry, he basically conducted a fire-sale on veterans who still had some value.

But you can't be sentimental about these things, THATS THE KEY, you can't say well this guy is too popular with Jets fans, if you can get valuable draft picks for aging veterans, YOU DO IT and NOBODY is off limits.

If thats what we do. Richardson has some value.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

If thats what we do. Richardson has some value.

Richardson is not an aging veteran, he's one of the young core you can build around, BUT, if the Jets decide to trade him too, for that particular asset we have to get back at least a 1st RD Pick, and really I wouldn't deal him for anything less than a 1 and a 2, if not for the character issues I would be asking for two 1's and not even considering anything less, but because of the suspensions I'll give teams a bargain and take a 1 and a 2, or maybe I can be talked into a 1 and a 3.

 

[gmf1369]

it's not the aging veterans but some current Macc/Bowles signings that were last year like Marcus Gilchrist & Buster Skrine are just awful in this defense scheme...

need to make that key move on offense and bring Karlos Williams to help off-set the side stepping Forte... Powell shows he can bring some power but Williams would bring more of physical standard to this backfield that is being sorely missed...

hope Revis isn't severely injured, roster adjustment moving him to coverage safety seems like something that is well overdue...

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Richardson is not an aging veteran, he's one of the young core you can build around, BUT, if the Jets decide to trade him too, for that particular asset we have to get back at least a 1st RD Pick, and really I wouldn't deal him for anything less than a 1 and a 2, if not for the character issues I would be asking for two 1's and not even considering anything less, but because of the suspensions I'll give teams a bargain and take a 1 and a 2, or maybe I can be talked into a 1 and a 3.

Nobody is giving a #1 for Richardson and we should not pay him based on his past.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Nobody is giving a #1 for Richardson and we should not pay him based on his past.

If you can't even get a 1 for a young talent of Richardson's caliber, and lets be frank, we're talking about a young pro bowl caliber player here, so if you can't even get a 1 (and nothing else) for this player, if you have to sell even lower than that, then IMO you don't trade him. You have to set the bar somewhere, a place where you will not accept anything less, and IMO that bar needs to be set at a 1. You might be right because of his character issues, but IMO you still have to set the bar at a 1, because this player is worth two 1's based solely on age and ability. You might take just a 1 in this instance, but you don't take less.

 

[JetsInTyme]

Well, don't look now but the team that dominated us last week is being dominated by the team we play next week.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Well, don't look now but the team that dominated us last week is being dominated by the team we play next week.

Steelers will beat the Jets by 4 TD's.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

If you can't even get a 1 for a young talent of Richardson's caliber, and lets be frank, we're talking about a young pro bowl caliber player here, so if you can't even get a 1 (and nothing else) for this player, if you have to sell even lower than that, then IMO you don't trade him. You have to set the bar somewhere, a place where you will not accept anything less, and IMO that bar needs to be set at a 1. You might be right because of his character issues, but IMO you still have to set the bar at a 1, because this player is worth two 1's based solely on age and ability. You might take just a 1 in this instance, but you don't take less.

Sheldon will be suspended again in his career. He also will be too much money and Revis like in his negotiations.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Well, don't look now but the team that dominated us last week is being dominated by the team we play next week.

The Jets should be installed as double digit underdogs in Pittsburgh next week, and probably will be, which is a huge indictment on what many of us viewed as a playoff caliber roster entering the season. This is not college football, when you are double digit dogs in this league, it basically says you suck.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

The Jets should be installed as double digit underdogs in Pittsburgh next week, and probably will be, which is a huge indictment on what many of us viewed as a playoff caliber roster entering the season. This is not college football, when you are double digit dogs in this league, it basically says you suck.

I just looked it up and its only 6.5, which is shocking too me.

I suspect so much money is going to come flying in on Pittsburgh, that line will be up to 8 by Tuesday.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Yep the season has officially turned ugly and frankly is over from a PO perspective.

Funny, my wife came in and asked if we were winning because I was so quite she didn't realize that I was "catatonic" and speechless. I turned the game on in the 2nd Q and knew from the way this team played we would lose. They just lack fire... the HC often talks about "situational FB" yet these guys seem clueless as does the HC and his staff.

I'll tell you now the fans and media are going to start having a field day with this latest performance. There is no way - none - that Woody is happy or Mac. the talent is better than what is being exhibited on the field so the "heat" is on now because they have been out coached and out played in the last two games.

Last week the HC said we need to look at everything...well I guess the analysis didn't last long because they all stunk again

Sadly, it's true. The talent doesn't match the end result. Our secondary continuously left receivers open, our o-line couldn't open any holes for Forte, our d-line couldn't dominate a weak Seattle o-line, and we STILL have no answer for any decent TE, let alone a monster like Jimmy Graham.

For the first time since he was hired, I'm questioning Todd Bowles as a head coach. This team has too much talent to come out with that type of performance at home.

 

[jets82]

Unless your a team like the Broncos from last year (although P. Manning may not have been the throwing Manning of old but he still was that mental threat that beat teams mentally). Or the Ravens, Big Ben's first SB Steelers, Bucs or the Bears of the 80's (you all get my point), QB is the key. It all starts and ends there. The Jets have to get and establish that rookie or (hopefully) young QB that is already on the team. Now hopefully Petty or Hack can be that guy for us but the problem with that for me is, I'm not quite sure they are. Of course I hope they are but young QBs of today seem to reveal their the guy or atleast they can be the guy, year one!

Look at Dak, Wentz, Cam, Luck, Carr, Bortles, Stafford, Big Ben, Flacco, Ryan and Wilson for example. Hell, Paxton Lynch looked very good today. Now you also have the guys like RGIII or Sanchez that flamed out. Now all those guys besides Sanchez and RGIII, I mentioned haven't won or even been to a SB. However; they have shown they can lead and be a franchise QB and not all franchise QBs win or even go to a SB. So IMO, it doesn't matter what you do about any other position, without that young franchise QB we have nothing really. Petty looked great in pre-season, so he might have the goods but if he did then why isn't he starting?

Is it because their just stupid and don't see it in Petty or just to scared to go without Fitz as the starter? Is it because he got hurt in the pre-season or else he would be starting? Or is it because they see a lot more of him then we do and he honestly isn't ready or doesn't have it period? Ofcourse none of us know the answer to that but the next few weeks should tell the tail. Ofcourse Enunwa, Anderson, Jalin and ASJ should or will be a nice bunch or WRs and TEs. The Jets still need to find that young bell cow RB or stable of RBs by committee.

The oline will work itself out hopefully. The defense has that true nucleus of young studs in the front seven. The secondary is our issue it appears. The Jets might want to trade either L. Williams, Richardson or Mo for some young stud secondary or RB help next year. This new regime built this team to win now but fell way short at QB. Funny thing is, you put a true quality QB on this team and the Jets are probably 3-1 right now. Give us anyone of the QBs I mentioned above or some of the older vet guys like Rivers or E. Manning or Big Ben and this team is now a contender IMO.

The fact that this team has been built for now with older vets but doesn't have the QB to carry us there makes this all for not. It's also going to make this a hard 3-4 year rebuilding process. If this is the case and Mac and TB doesn't change this quick, they may be looking for new jobs after this or next year. Now ofcourse you have QBs that need a year or two to get there and that may be the case with Petty or Hack. There is also Rodgers who waited three years but I think that was mainly because of who he was playing behind. Rodgers was probably ready to go his rookie year.

 

[mykcuz]

If we're smart, we'll start trading off veterans for draft picks prior to the trade deadline.

This team has a lot of attractive veterans for legit SB contending teams, veterans who can put a real SB contender over the top if they are in need of an upgrade at that particular position, those kinds of assets can retrieve valuable draft picks if you are clever in how you use them. I don't mean first round picks, lets be clear, but stockpiling picks outside of the first round is the smart move for a team that needs to rebuild, its the model Jimmy Johnson used to rebuild the Cowboys when he took over for Tom Landry, he basically conducted a fire-sale on veterans who still had some value.

But you can't be sentimental about these things, THATS THE KEY, you can't say well this guy is too popular with Jets fans, if you can get valuable draft picks for aging veterans, YOU DO IT and NOBODY is off limits.

You don't sell off in football. Successful teams ate hugely dependant on chemistry, and most teams don't carry enough salary room to acquire talented players.

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[mykcuz]

Wow,pretty depressing mentality on this forum lately. I get it, but I think maybe some ate a little too mercurial. We all knew this was a brutal schedule, and we have a second year head coach.

Hey good news is big Ben is getting all of his scoring out tonight.

As far as the future,mac is doing great things here and needs our support. We had the lady amount of depth and talent in the nfl. You don't compensate for 10 years of poor drafting in a year and a half. Last year was a good start, and I really like our rookies this year. While the team does what it does,these guys learn,then one day it will click.

Mac proveed last year that even without great pieces to pick from,he could properly match up talent. I think 5 years from now we will be cocky proud fans acting like soj never happened.

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[jets82]

The Jets should be installed as double digit underdogs in Pittsburgh next week, and probably will be, which is a huge indictment on what many of us viewed as a playoff caliber roster entering the season. This is not college football, when you are double digit dogs in this league, it basically says you suck.

It's going to be a blood bath in Pittsburgh. Wow, the Jets will get beat by 30 atleast. Who will we lose to the week after that? I'm asking because I don't remember and don't feel the need to look.

Wait, I just remembered it's the Cardinals and that will be a 20 point loss atleast and then the Ravens after that. The Cards are pissed, they know they are a better team then their record and they will take it out on us. Sorta like what Pittsburgh is doing to the Chiefs tonight. LOL, WOW!!! I guess they'll finally see the light after the Ravens loss and start Petty then, against the Browns.