Update: Baker Mayfield wins the Heisman

[TebowCan'tThrow]

He seems like a spoiled little rich kid like Manziel. They both can turn on the charm and be used car salesmen. If he won the Jets a SB I wouldn't care about his attitude. He is hated in college and I think he will have extra pressure being in NY and his mouth. He won't change in NFL because nobody has ever punished him. Not starting him and taking away his captainship means nothing to rich entitled babies. Those fake tears ain't fooling anyone. Just wait, Baker will do something else between now and draft. Not to mention he is a midget.

 

[Mainejet]

He seems like a spoiled little rich kid like Manziel. They both can turn on the charm and be used car salesmen. If he won the Jets a SB I wouldn't care about his attitude. He is hated in college and I think he will have extra pressure being in NY and his mouth. He won't change in NFL because nobody has ever punished him. Not starting him and taking away his captainship means nothing to rich entitled babies. Those fake tears ain't fooling anyone. Just wait, Baker will do something else between now and draft. Not to mention he is a midget.

Does Mayfield have some dirt on you? There's no reason to hate him the way you do. I'm arrogant. Do you hate me also?

You're also totally exaggerating his size. It's not ideal and not like Darnold or Rosen, but he's still 6'1". Now, a QB's ideal size is 6'2" or taller, but I do not believe an inch of height deficiency is a capital offense? Russell Wilson is a SB winner. Drew Brees is a SB winner, so you are lending way too much importance to height.

BTW, did you happen to see the cheap shot he had to endure leading up to his meltdown?

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I would bet he is 5'11. I did see the cheap shot, but it started when they didn't shake his hand. He is easily provoked. NFL will eat him up. I want a level headed QB. He would have been the perfect QB for Rex. I'm just not wasting a 1st round pick on him. I would rather have a stud LT than him.

 

[lounap23]

He seems like a spoiled little rich kid like Manziel. They both can turn on the charm and be used car salesmen. If he won the Jets a SB I wouldn't care about his attitude. He is hated in college and I think he will have extra pressure being in NY and his mouth. He won't change in NFL because nobody has ever punished him. Not starting him and taking away his captainship means nothing to rich entitled babies. Those fake tears ain't fooling anyone. Just wait, Baker will do something else between now and draft. Not to mention he is a midget.

Drew Brees 6'0
Russell Wilson 5'11"
Baker Mayfield 6'1"


I remember both Drew Brees and Russel Wilson at the time of their drafts both were evaluated like this.

Brees: Despite his "shortcoming" in the size department, Brees has put up impressive enough numbers to generate first round consideration. Pittsburtgh, Kansas City (if they don't pull off the Trent Green trade) or Miami could opt for Brees in the first round, but I am not convinced that he will come anywhere close to matching his lofty collegiate figures at the pro level. If those three teams pass on him, Brees will still be on board when the second round opens.

Wilson: Wilson's height will be his biggest inhibitor at the next level and the largest reason for his late-round value.

And this will be the same criticism Mayfield gets. I have feeling the NFL will look at this kid differently and he will go somehere in the top 20 of the 1st rd. If we have to choose between Mayfiled, Jackson or Rudolph. Then to me it's an easy choice it's Mayfield.

I understand your POV Tebow but I think you are wrong on this kid.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

His song and dance works with stupid kids, but grown men ain't going to put up with his shit.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

And I promise when measured he is under 6'0".

 

[Mainejet]

I would bet he is 5'11. I did see the cheap shot, but it started when they didn't shake his hand. He is easily provoked. NFL will eat him up. I want a level headed QB. He would have been the perfect QB for Rex. I'm just not wasting a 1st round pick on him. I would rather have a stud LT than him.

PROVOKED yes, but not RATTLED? That was obviously a game attempt on the part of the opponent to take Mayfield off his game. It was a very definite strategy they had in mind, to get into Mayfield's head and steal the game away. They obviously felt the very same way YOU do?

Well, it did NOT work. Sure, Mayfield said a few stupid comments and motioned something in poor behavior, but Baker Mayfield otherwise DOMINATED them. His number were every bit commensurate with a top notch NFL QB prospect.

And once again, I don't care about his height.

 

[Seaver41]

we'll see what the real scouts say come 2018 - he has played in a conference with two hand touch defense. I don't like his mental makeup at this stage.

 

[Flyboys89]

According to a lot of the CBS Sports folks Lamar Jackson is the top QB prospect in this upcoming draft, surprised he's not getting more attention here? He's been having a star studded season, and although he's probably looked at thru "lazy" eyes by a lot (ie they assume hes the next RG3) while being a terrific runner hes also a terrific passer and has proven that this year. He seems like a better version of Bridgewater coming out and he's another guy I would be ecstatic about if we drafted him.

We need the most electric talent with star potential possible and I think Jackson may be that, and he doesn't come with the baggage Mayfield comes with. This guy could very well be Russel Wilson.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

PROVOKED yes, but not RATTLED? That was obviously a game attempt on the part of the opponent to take Mayfield off his game. It was a very definite strategy they had in mind, to get into Mayfield's head and steal the game away. They obviously felt the very same way YOU do?

Well, it did NOT work. Sure, Mayfield said a few stupid comments and motioned something in poor behavior, but Baker Mayfield otherwise DOMINATED them. His number were every bit commensurate with a top notch NFL QB prospect.

And once again, I don't care about his height.

I think, wait I know, that attitude will fail in NY. Give me a top OT over Mayfield. Give me Darnold or Rosen over a top OT. And we both know stats in college don't mean much in the NFL. I don't want the Jets desperation for a QB to take this guy with what will be a top 10 pick. One thing I do know is one of us will be right about Mayfield.

 

[Mainejet]

I think, wait I know, that attitude will fail in NY. Give me a top OT over Mayfield. Give me Darnold or Rosen over a top OT. And we both know stats in college don't mean much in the NFL. I don't want the Jets desperation for a QB to take this guy with what will be a top 10 pick. One thing I do know is one of us will be right about Mayfield.

It's not about being right or wrong, Tebow? It's about making this team better. You're preaching to the choir about OL needs. How many times have I shit on Mac for taking Darron Lee and not consummating the trade to get Laremy Tunsil?

I know OL is a dire need. I know whatever this OL has managed to do this season is 100% smoke and mirrors.

However, Mac is the kind of guy that takes whatever he sees for BPA when he picks. He also stays away from picking an OL when he feels the crop is weak? That's why he didn't take an OL in the last draft. There wasn't much talent there.

The 2018 has a wealth of talent at QB. Much more so than last years draft, at least that's what I think Mac feels? He's going to strike while the iron is hot. I doubt the iron will get much hotter than it is right now? You could make a case for MANY QB's to take in this draft.

In regards to Mayfield specifically, I could be wrong of course? I'm not trying to be some arrogant twit with the Mayfield talk? I just know Mac has wasted mid round picks on QB's in the past and none of them have worked. I believe in this draft if he wants a top notch QB he'll probably have to take one in the 1st round. I believe Mayfield is a great pick for us for many reasons:

1) I think he's top 10 in talent, but because of his size he's going to slip. That automatically makes him a bit of a good value if he goes after the first 10 picks in the draft.

2) I think he WILL slide in the draft? I'm not sure how much? Like I said, my bet has him winning the Heisman. He could even still possibly win a national championship?

3) Rosen is another guy I really believe in, but for Mac to get him he's going to have to trade multiple picks and that means no decent additions to the OL after that trade is done? No blue chippers in the 2nd round?

4) I do NOT believe there's any decent solutions through FA. I've seen Cousins play and I like him but not enough to pay big bucks for him and hang all of the Jets SB hopes on? I like Brees, but I think he's over the hill. Same with Smith.

5) Mac has TONS of money available to be used. Mac does not need to take the chance on an OL in the draft if he doesn't want to. He can sign PROVEN players in FA. That's what I would want for OL. Sign a proven veteran that can act as a leader among the offense and lead by example. I've never forgotten the positive impact a guy like Alan Faneca had on the entire Jets OL back in 2009? In the 2009 playoffs, that OL entered the "zone" and played out of their fucking minds. I believe Faneca was the guy that made the rest of the OL think that they could do that? So I would rather go FA to get a 6true leader along the OL.

We then get to stay where we are and take Mayfield? Like I said, I don't think the Jets will be picking in the top 10? If they are I suppose that's great and leaves Mac with even more options. But if we do pick somewhere in the range of 10 to 15? Mayfield would be excellent value there.

I really don't think Mayfield will go top 10? His height will scare a lot of GM's...............

 

[Flyboys89]

With respect to your 5th point... I agree completely on Faneca. One thing to add though, is that we had 2 young stud building blocks on the OL (Brick and Mangold) and a gem of a LG in Brandon Moore who came on out of nowhere under the previous regime.

3/5 of the OL was set, and consisted of young star talent. Faneca was a missing piece as both a pro bowl caliber OL and a veteran leader who could instill swagger on the unit. Adding a Faneca to what we have now wouldn't have th same impact given our current OL stinks. But however I do agree we need to pay a big time FA OL this offseason, mayve 2. And draft a future LT. Do that and we've made strides.

 

[Elias]

According to a lot of the CBS Sports folks Lamar Jackson is the top QB prospect in this upcoming draft, surprised he's not getting more attention here? He's been having a star studded season, and although he's probably looked at thru "lazy" eyes by a lot (ie they assume hes the next RG3) while being a terrific runner hes also a terrific passer and has proven that this year. He seems like a better version of Bridgewater coming out and he's another guy I would be ecstatic about if we drafted him.

We need the most electric talent with star potential possible and I think Jackson may be that, and he doesn't come with the baggage Mayfield comes with. This guy could very well be Russel Wilson.

I like Jackson too but look at what Mehta wrote today when answering a question he received.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.3648259

I have a better chance of being drafted to quarterback the 2018 Jets than Lamar Jackson.

Repeat after me: The Jets will NEVER draft Jackson to try to solve their quarterback quandary. It's not going to happen, folks.

The way the Jets see it (and I wholeheartedly agree), there will be plenty of college signal callers in the upcoming draft better equipped to find success at the next level. The Jets, like many other teams, frankly, don't believe that Jackson will thrive as an NFL quarterback.

Remember: College quarterback's stats aren't an indicator of pro success.

Here are the questions that matter:


1) Will the player's skill set translate at the next level?

2) How much capacity for growth is there with good coaching?

3) What kind of scheme will maximize the player's strengths?

4) Are you willing to run that scheme if you don't already do? If so, can you achieve sustainable success in that scheme?

Jackson deserves plenty of credit for his achievements at Louisville, but he's simply not in the same stratosphere as Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen and Josh Allen as a pro prospect. So, don't waste your breath even discussing the possibility of Jackson being in the conversation for their first-round pick in the upcoming draft. He won't be.

The notion that the Jets would even consider Jackson in the second round is high comedy. Gang Green simply isn't going to invest a premium pick (first three rounds) on him. Period.

And you know what? They shouldn't, because it would be a wasted selection.

 

[Mainejet]

I like Jackson too but look at what Mehta wrote today when answering a question he received.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.3648259

I have a better chance of being drafted to quarterback the 2018 Jets than Lamar Jackson.

Well, I guess that settles that, doesn't it? He obviously feels VERY strongly about that and thinks he has his finger on Mac's pulse?

 

[Elias]

SI's Albert Breer spoke with on AFC scouting director who believes Oklahoma senior QB Baker Mayfield is not similar to Johnny Manziel because the Sooner "studies his ass off."

This was backed up by another scouting director stating Mayfield knows where he is going with the football at any part of the progressions thanks to his knowledge and preparation, which is different than many failed quarterbacks. The comparison will pop up due to Mayfield's height and success outside of structure. For many, a shorter frame is viewed as a major negative. "I don’t think it’s a problem for Baker," one NFL executive concluded.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

He is also very good because he plays the worst defenses in the country.

 

[Namath12]

I don't remember who said this, but one of ESPN's analysts said that the comparison should be with Russel Wilson, *not* Manziel. Basically, the points were that Mayfield always looks downfield when he leaves the pocket and that there were no concerns about Mayfield's character. He is a student of the game, not a party animal. I'd prefer Rosen or Darnold, but neither will be attainable. Now at the 11th pick or so, Mayfield is growing on me. I'm a little leery about Josh Allen, because he simply hasn't done it in college despite his great arm, etc. I know that Wyoming sucks, but so does UCLA, and that hasn't prevented Rosen from showcasing his skills.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I don't remember who said this, but one of ESPN's analysts said that the comparison should be with Russel Wilson, *not* Manziel. Basically, the points were that Mayfield always looks downfield when he leaves the pocket and that there were no concerns about Mayfield's character. He is a student of the game, not a party animal. I'd prefer Rosen or Darnold, but neither will be attainable. Now at the 11th pick or so, Mayfield is growing on me. I'm a little leery about Josh Allen, because he simply hasn't done it in college despite his great arm, etc. I know that Wyoming sucks, but so does UCLA, and that hasn't prevented Rosen from showcasing his skills.

He might be same height, but is slower and Wilson doesn't have attitude issues. Maybe he has a little Wilson, but definitely has some Manziel.

 

[LIJETFAN]

The problem with Mayfield is his off the field behavior. The comparison to Manziel applies there. The Jets don't need the headache of an immature kid who has a checkered past trying to lead grown men. He may be a fiery competitor, but his immaturity is apparent. This team is building a great culture. They don't need a loose cannon as the team leader.

 

[Namath12]

What problems has he had off the field?