Why do we get excited on Fitz & Forte

[lounap23]

Forte is over 30 and his production dropped off. Chris Ivory is 27. I think we downgraded. Hopefully Powell can pick up the slack.

I will give you that Forte is older and closer to the end of his productive seasons then Ivory but:
- Ivory is injured more often then Forte... Fact
- Forte Overall is more productive then IVory including last year... Fact....

Ivory averaged 85.8 yds a game rushing and receiving 15 games played and a total of 1288 yds

Forte average 99 yds a game... 13 Games played and a total of 1287 yds

And Forte is better fit for Gaileys offense who like to spread the RB out to a WR position. In this offense Forte will be more productive than Ivory can be... Fact...

 

[butterscotch]

I will give you that Forte is older and closer to the end of his productive seasons then Ivory but:
- Ivory is injured more often then Forte... Fact
- Forte Overall is more productive then IVory including last year... Fact....

Ivory averaged 85.8 yds a game rushing and receiving 15 games played and a total of 1288 yds

Forte average 99 yds a game... 13 Games played and a total of 1287 yds

And Forte is better fit for Gaileys offense who like to spread the RB out to a WR position. In this offense Forte will be more productive than Ivory can be... Fact...

Fact the proof will be in the pudding LOL

 

[butterscotch]

BUMP

We have games coming up that we can win so things can change but as of now.

Fitz D
Marshall B-
Decker F+
Forte C

The money we spent on these guys is a waste "so far". There are reasons for some of the poor results but who cares we are spending money for these guys to lead the team not crash it.

For the person that said Marshall leads this team.....I agree but the wrong direction. Another penalty & he was laughing it up after a loss last night.......a loser

Now three of a kind may be good in cards but not in football. Our Dl was bad against the run & the pass yesterday......yes there are excuses but not good ones in my book.


Again, Marshall you are no Don Maynard

 

[jets82]

In my opinion and probably IMOO and that's fine you build a team through the draft and it all starts with the oline and a QB. Let's just focus on since this new regime been here. They were on the right track with trading for BM because he's is still a high impact players and rear at his position. You don't find WR that big and that talented except for the great ones like J. Jones, A. J. Green, D. Bryant, Fitzgerald and BM. Now you also have the young guys coming up and they will be in this category like Benjamin, M. Evans, Jefferies and Robinson.

The new regime messed up by strictly going the veteran route in other areas where they should have build more through the draft. They also messed up by overloading in one position, the dline when they could have gone other possession in the draft or used one of those players for trade bait to get other players of need. They initially were going to go with Geno which at the time I didn't have a problem with that until jawbreak gate. This year they should done whatever it took to move up and draft Wentz. Like giving up Wilkerson and a first and second this year.

This regime felt they had a win now team and decided to go strictly with vet FAs, real old ones like Fitzgarbage and Forte and Cro (from last year) and older vet oline players. This has come back to bite them in the ass because Forte isn't what he was 5 years ago in Chicago, Fitz is horrible and last year he proved was a fluke. There dline with all those huge 300 pounders aren't getting to the QB, when they should have traded one of them or not drafted Williams to draft another high impact player. Lastly they didn't draft Dak this year and they could have got him within four fucking rounds. I will never let go of that!

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

In my opinion and probably IMOO and that's fine you build a team through the draft and it all starts with the oline and a QB. Let's just focus on since this new regime been here. They were on the right track with trading for BM because he's is still a high impact players and rear at his position. You don't find WR that big and that talented except for the great ones like J. Jones, A. J. Green, D. Bryant, Fitzgerald and BM. Now you also have the young guys coming up and they will be in this category like Benjamin, M. Evans, Jefferies and Robinson.

The new regime messed up by strictly going the veteran route in other areas where they should have build more through the draft. They also messed up by overloading in one position, the dline when they could have gone other possession in the draft or used one of those players for trade bait to get other players of need. They initially were going to go with Geno which at the time I didn't have a problem with that until jawbreak gate. This year they should done whatever it took to move up and draft Wentz. Like giving up Wilkerson and a first and second this year.

This regime felt they had a win now team and decided to go strictly with vet FAs, real old ones like Fitzgarbage and Forte and Cro (from last year) and older vet oline players. This has come back to bite them in the ass because Forte isn't what he was 5 years ago in Chicago, Fitz is horrible and last year he proved was a fluke. There dline with all those huge 300 pounders aren't getting to the QB, when they should have traded one of them or not drafted Williams to draft another high impact player. Lastly they didn't draft Dak this year and they could have got him within four fucking rounds. I will never let go of that!

They turned us into a 10 win season last year because of scheduling alone. We need to cut, trade or not re-sign Fitz, Sheldon (trade), Forte (cut), Harris (cut), Revis (move to safety) and Mangold (possibly cut). We need to draft 3-4 OL. We need a stud RB like Zeke. We need to go into a 5 year rebuild and lets see what the young guys can do.

 

[butterscotch]

In my opinion and probably IMOO and that's fine you build a team through the draft and it all starts with the oline and a QB. Let's just focus on since this new regime been here. They were on the right track with trading for BM because he's is still a high impact players and rear at his position. You don't find WR that big and that talented except for the great ones like J. Jones, A. J. Green, D. Bryant, Fitzgerald and BM. Now you also have the young guys coming up and they will be in this category like Benjamin, M. Evans, Jefferies and Robinson.

The new regime messed up by strictly going the veteran route in other areas where they should have build more through the draft. They also messed up by overloading in one position, the dline when they could have gone other possession in the draft or used one of those players for trade bait to get other players of need. They initially were going to go with Geno which at the time I didn't have a problem with that until jawbreak gate. This year they should done whatever it took to move up and draft Wentz. Like giving up Wilkerson and a first and second this year.

This regime felt they had a win now team and decided to go strictly with vet FAs, real old ones like Fitzgarbage and Forte and Cro (from last year) and older vet oline players. This has come back to bite them in the ass because Forte isn't what he was 5 years ago in Chicago, Fitz is horrible and last year he proved was a fluke. There dline with all those huge 300 pounders aren't getting to the QB, when they should have traded one of them or not drafted Williams to draft another high impact player. Lastly they didn't draft Dak this year and they could have got him within four fucking rounds. I will never let go of that!

I mostly agree Where I don't agree is on Marshall he is all flash but no cash.

The Dl is a shame that they are three of a kind.

I also agree on the OL they are not that good

But the big thing I noticed about this team is the timing is off with their ages.

The 68 jets were doomed if they did not win in 67, 68 or 69 but they had the right timing of players for that window.

 

[jets82]

They turned us into a 10 win season last year because of scheduling alone. We need to cut, trade or not re-sign Fitz, Sheldon (trade), Forte (cut), Harris (cut), Revis (move to safety) and Mangold (possibly cut). We need to draft 3-4 OL. We need a stud RB like Zeke. We need to go into a 5 year rebuild and lets see what the young guys can do.

Agreed!!!

 

[jets82]

I mostly agree Where I don't agree is on Marshall he is all flash but no cash.

The Dl is a shame that they are three of a kind.

I also agree on the OL they are not that good

But the big thing I noticed about this team is the timing is off with their ages.

The 68 jets were doomed if they did not win in 67, 68 or 69 but they had the right timing of players for that window.

BM caught 115 passes for over 10 TDs and 1500 yards last year. That's no flash with out cash. That's bigtime my friend. You may not like BM and I can understand that but you got to give him his props. He is a beast and helped this team greatly last year. He helped Decker greatly also. The year before BM got here, Decker stats were ok but he proved he wasn't a #1 guy. Last year he proved he is a great #2 or a #1a and BM is the #1 period. You just don't find guys like that all the time. You just can't pick them off a tree. That's talent that is rare and very rare. It's even more rare to find smaller WRs that are beast and have that kind of talent like Beckham Jr, Cooper, Landry, Hopkins, S. Smith (the younger version of him) and most of all A. Brown.

 

[butterscotch]

BM caught 115 passes for over 10 TDs and 1500 yards last year. That's no flash with out cash. That's bigtime my friend. You may not like BM and I can understand that but you got to give him his props. He is a beast and helped this team greatly last year. He helped Decker greatly also. The year before BM got here, Decker stats were ok but he proved he wasn't a #1 guy. Last year he proved he is a great #2 or a #1a and BM is the #1 period. You just don't find guys like that all the time. You just can't pick them off a tree. That's talent that is rare and very rare. It's even more rare to find smaller WRs that are beast and have that kind of talent like Beckham Jr, Cooper, Landry, Hopkins, S. Smith (the younger version of him) and most of all A. Brown.

I agree on the stats

But here are more stats

Six teams in 11 years
The top in dropped passes almost every year
The Top in flags almost every year
Never in a playoff game

Take a look at the 65 & 66 Dodgers & Giants stats in baseball. If you do you will say how did the Dodger ever win those years when you look at the stats. The Giants had great stats...but lost.

He makes plays like that toss of the football to the other team last year.

Maynard played a good SB & he had no catches. He was a winner.

Look on my other team I am not sure about Carson Palmer. This year will tell me if he is a winner or a loser.......not sure but put a fork in Marshall he is done.

 

[jets82]

I agree on the stats

But here are more stats

Six teams in 11 years
The top in dropped passes almost every year
The Top in flags almost every year
Never in a playoff game

Take a look at the 65 & 66 Dodgers & Giants stats in baseball. If you do you will say how did the Dodger ever win those years when you look at the stats. The Giants had great stats...but lost.

He makes plays like that toss of the football to the other team last year.

Maynard played a good SB & he had no catches. He was a winner.

Look on my other team I am not sure about Carson Palmer. This year will tell me if he is a winner or a loser.......not sure but put a fork in Marshall he is done.

Naw, I'm sorry but I can't agree with that. BMarsh will probably catch 85-95 for us this year with about 1100-1200 yards and 10 TDs. BMarsh is a hot head I will admit and drops passes but his production way outweighs his mishaps. He is not done, he is not a loser and this is not his fault. BM is the heartbeat of this team or a 50% portion of it anyway and with a quality QB from game one, our record would be 3-3 atleast. This is on Fitz, the coaching staff and this defense. The oline isn't even really at fault here. Now the oline isn't lights out but they are holding their own. The Jets shouldn't have let go of Ivory or atleast if they did, not sign old man Forte.

They should have drafted a monster RB or went after FAs, Lamar Miller or Anderson from the Broncos. They should have traded Mo to help move up in the draft to get Wentz or traded him for young stud secondary help or RB help or LB help (draft or FA). How about this, they should traded Mo and a first (even a second if necessary) to trade with the Cowboys draft for Elliot. Beside the fact they should have drafted Dak somewhere in the top three rounds. Now, there's a thought right!!! Think of where our team would be then, 4-2, 5-1 or 6-0 right now. Even with our defense being suspect right now, we would have a winning record with those moves.

A strong and powerful offense or a ball controlling and run heavy very efficient offense will always help an ailing defense. Look at the Falcons or Steelers or Cowboys or Giants. Their defenses aren't that great, maybe not even good but because their offense makes up for it and keeps them off the field or builds that lead where they can be more aggressive, it help makes their defense look a lot better then what they are.

 

[butterscotch]

Just checked Marshall leads the league in dropped passes LOL.....Well he is tied of the lead.

Lucky last night that his flag was declined

They also caught him laughing after the loss......nit my kind of player

 

[butterscotch]

BUMP

We lose good guys & we get these guys in that are old & were good or just average. We put a crown on Marshall who could explode at any time. We need to do something with Wilk/


We need a great draft this year folks. We need to figure out Wilk. We need returners young Rec's & an OL.


I have said this for years winning teams win & losing teams lose........it's hard to cross that line. the Giants getting snacks is why they win.

The Cardinals are close but they still are a losing team......both teams like the Steelers in the 70's & the Pats in the 90's need to cross that line.


BIG MAC HAS LOTS OF WORK TO DO! In my book we are behind now but this is just the first lap of the race....so I will see how they handle it.

(d) so far folks stick a fork in the QB & WR they are done just like a Turkey. Wilk well lets hope it is an injury but he & 91 have been in the dog house.

Ok for those that say Marshall does not drop many balls I heard from an NFL beat writer that he has at least seven this year.

 

[gmf1369]

BUMP





(d) so far folks stick a fork in the QB & WR they are done just like a Turkey. Wilk well lets hope it is an injury but he & 91 have been in the dog house.

Ok for those that say Marshall does not drop many balls I heard from an NFL beat writer that he has at least seven this year.

It is not so much the drops but his % (percentage) on targets he receives to his receptions... Last year he caught 63% but this year 47% is not getting it done... His overall numbers this year arguably his career worst, next to his rookie year where he wasn't active much... His cap next year with the production this year makes him a candidate for cap casualty cut...

 

[butterscotch]

It is not so much the drops but his % (percentage) on targets he receives to his receptions... Last year he caught 63% but this year 47% is not getting it done... His overall numbers this year arguably his career worst, next to his rookie year where he wasn't active much... His cap next year with the production this year makes him a candidate for cap casualty cut...

I agree I heard that too......but beyond the stats you can see the guy is a loser......put him on ESPN that is where he belongs. I am afraid Carson Palmer is in his company also. But Fitz is a waist of time...This teams stinks

 

[gmf1369]

I agree I heard that too......but beyond the stats you can see the guy is a loser......put him on ESPN that is where he belongs. I am afraid Carson Palmer is in his company also. But Fitz is a waist of time...This teams stinks

Brandon Marshall is not a loser, he is a competitor who has distractions with his new gig...
Marshall can be a good piece of the roster, but his emotionally charged mouth takes away from what he is good at...

Believe even Brandon knows this is his final year in the league and to boot he is being out shined on his preseason bet with Antonio Brown, time to pony up his corvette and wrap it in a bow...

 

[butterscotch]

Brandon Marshall is not a loser, he is a competitor who has distractions with his new gig...
Marshall can be a good piece of the roster, but his emotionally charged mouth takes away from what he is good at...

Believe even Brandon knows this is his final year in the league and to boot he is being out shined on his preseason bet with Antonio Brown, time to pony up his corvette and wrap it in a bow...

G I don't say this without lots of thought. He means well but he is a loser,,,,,,you don't have his talent & play for all those teams without making the playoffs. Same with fitz.

Same with Billy boy in NE but he is a winner in this case....& I hate saying that but with all kinds of teams he wins. Brady also.

Look A-Rod is a loser & he won a WS but he failed to play well 10 other times in the playoffs, & took drugs...loser

 

[Old#15]

It is not so much the drops but his % (percentage) on targets he receives to his receptions... Last year he caught 63% but this year 47% is not getting it done... His overall numbers this year arguably his career worst, next to his rookie year where he wasn't active much... His cap next year with the production this year makes him a candidate for cap casualty cut...

I agree that the 16% drop is considerable, but how much of that is Fitz forcing the ball to him when every defender knew he was the target. We finally saw in the NE game how the passing game under Fitz should be designed. Taking the underneath stuff and spreading it around works for Fitz, not trying trying to squeeze the ball in tight windows or launching the ball 40 yards downfield. Perhaps I'm making excuses for Marshall, but there are mitigating circumstances to his drop in performance.

 

[gmf1369]

I agree that the 16% drop is considerable, but how much of that is Fitz forcing the ball to him when every defender knew he was the target. We finally saw in the NE game how the passing game under Fitz should be designed. Taking the underneath stuff and spreading it around works for Fitz, not trying trying to squeeze the ball in tight windows or launching the ball 40 yards downfield. Perhaps I'm making excuses for Marshall, but there are mitigating circumstances to his drop in performance.

Last year Q percentage was 47% being that he only had 46 targets he really didn't get going until this year where he has increased his percentage to a whopping 58% by the way he has 43 receptions currently with only 3 drops this year... If it was Fitz then why is Q having a better season then our true #1 receiver Brandon Marshall could it be Brandon's 6 drops this year, or his lack of effort finishing routes where Fitz went his way and Marshall wasn't there... It was questioned and answered by Brandon as miscues, qb expecting one thing and he did another...

Bilal Powell this year has increased his percentage as well from 72% to 78%...
Rookie Robby Anderson's percentage is a whopping 62% on 39 attempts...

Brandon Marshall did this to himself, or he is so busy with being in front of the camera that it caught up to him on the field... I don't know, can not explain how someone can go from top of the mountain and spiral down oh wait yep Darrelle Revis affect of aging...

 

[Old#15]

Last year Q percentage was 47% being that he only had 46 targets he really didn't get going until this year where he has increased his percentage to a whopping 58% by the way he has 43 receptions currently with only 3 drops this year... If it was Fitz then why is Q having a better season then our true #1 receiver Brandon Marshall could it be Brandon's 6 drops this year, or his lack of effort finishing routes where Fitz went his way and Marshall wasn't there... It was questioned and answered by Brandon as miscues, qb expecting one thing and he did another...

Bilal Powell this year has increased his percentage as well from 72% to 78%...
Rookie Robby Anderson's percentage is a whopping 62% on 39 attempts...

Brandon Marshall did this to himself, or he is so busy with being in front of the camera that it caught up to him on the field... I don't know, can not explain how someone can go from top of the mountain and spiral down oh wait yep Darrelle Revis affect of aging...

I hear what you are saying, but I still think that there was a several game stretch where Fitz was so focused on getting the ball to Marshall that it decreased the chances of success. Every defender knew it was coming, so the coverage was shifted Marshall's way. To me that makes it tougher to complete passes. That could also be the reason for the improvement in other WR %s, because maybe they were more open when Fitz decided to target someone other than #15. Look, I could be wrong in this, but to me it is logical that his success rate would drop. I forget who the QB/announcer was, or what game, but they were saying how easy it was to defend our passing attack because of Fitz focusing on Marshall.

 

[gmf1369]

I hear what you are saying, but I still think that there was a several game stretch where Fitz was so focused on getting the ball to Marshall that it decreased the chances of success. Every defender knew it was coming, so the coverage was shifted Marshall's way. To me that makes it tougher to complete passes. That could also be the reason for the improvement in other WR %s, because maybe they were more open when Fitz decided to target someone other than #15. Look, I could be wrong in this, but to me it is logical that his success rate would drop. I forget who the QB/announcer was, or what game, but they were saying how easy it was to defend our passing attack because of Fitz focusing on Marshall.

I agree with you... Fitz did try to force things to get Brandon going... The problem was Brandon wasn't always there or wasn't giving full effort... Last year Brandon & Eric made more plays on the ball even tho Fitz was throwing into traffic, but this year they weren't willing to bail out their quarterback...