Why the odds are stacked against him

gmf1369

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Is it already time to give up?

While we've talked about the ways in which Darnold hasn't gotten much help from the Jets, let's think about this in the big picture. Is it possible that two years of subpar numbers is enough to know that Darnold isn't going to be a long-term solution?

Pro Football Reference tracks nine index statistics for quarterbacks, adjusting stats such as completion percentage, yards per attempt, sack rate and interception rate for each year's league average. Darnold has ranked below average in each of the nine statistics in his first two seasons. Since 1990, there have been only three quarterbacks who got 200 pass attempts in each of their first two seasons and managed to pull that off: Darnold, Ryan Leaf and Geno Smith. Not a great start.

Let's approach it a different way. As you might suspect, Darnold's cumulative statistics over two years also rate as below average across those nine index metrics. If we look at the quarterbacks who have been below average by all nine measures while throwing 600 pass attempts over their first two seasons combined, you get a list that includes Darnold, Smith, Josh Allen, Brandon Weeden, Blake Bortles, Christian Ponder and Derek Carr. More optimistically, it also includes Tannehill, Alex Smith and Troy Aikman.

Pro Football Focus data analyst Kevin Cole's Bayesian study of quarterback play also didn't give a positive outlook about Darnold's chances of improving to the point where he would be a starting-caliber quarterback. Darnold's comps through two years include passers such as Geno Smith, Bortles, Ponder and another former Jets starter in Mark Sanchez. The team is unquestionably hoping for more than that from Darnold, even after two inconsistent seasons.

One factor that might play on Darnold's side is that he came into the league extremely young. He was just 20 when the Jets selected him in April 2018, and he just turned 23 last month. For context, he is six months younger than Joe Burrow, who was the first overall pick in the 2020 draft, two years after Darnold came off the board. All other things being equal, entering the league younger gives Darnold more time to develop at the highest level instead of wasting reps and hits against overmatched competition in college.


By the numbers, the odds are stacked against him after two seasons. Considering his age, the mono and the mediocrity surrounding him, I'm inclined to think Darnold's chances of turning into an above-average starter are a little better than they might seem in a vacuum. But ...

 

Bigmoe

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Darnold, Ryan Leaf and Geno Smith. Not a great start.

No it's not
 

MiJetFan

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Well if Darnold didn't come down with Mono I would agree with it. This is the make or break year. Time will tell.
 

Gramoah

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It is an unsettling read but in Sam's defense he's probably the first NFL player to become a track star after getting the starting QB job. ;)
 

jetgreen13

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as far as PFF goes, they try to sell adams is a beast in space..

they also thought mayfield was by far the better prospect over darnold coming out of college as well..

so there's that..
 

ReallyBigfan

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Pure silliness imho. The eye test tells me that Sam is going to be a star, especially as the Jets under Joe D. build a professional roster with an actual OL. His ability to make off-script plays with amazing throws is not something that can be taught, it's part of his toolkit. I have zero worry about the QB position for the Jets for the next ten years, as long as he stays healthy.
 

McJet

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So going by their analytics and such, it would all make better sense IF all those QB’s played with the same OLine, WRers, RBs.
They played against the same teams, under the same weather conditions, at the same time of year.
Compute how many passes were on target and dropped.
How many passes were thrown in a dome. etc..
Does it rank/measure the Oline ranking on each pass.

The eyeball test works for me also. I believe i know a player when I see one, Darnold is a player. Give this guy some blocking, WRers that can get open/separate from their coverage. Shit, just give the guy a decent running game and lets see how he does.
Darnold, to me, is the goods. Put a team around this kid and let him go to work.
Keep hearing this is a make or break year for Darnold, bullshit. It might be make or break for a few WRers, make or break for LeVeon Bell, make or break for a few Olinemen. Make or break for Gases scheme or play calling.
Not for Darnold.
That’s how I feel anyway.
 

Gramoah

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So going by their analytics and such, it would all make better sense IF all those QB’s played with the same OLine, WRers, RBs.
They played against the same teams, under the same weather conditions, at the same time of year.
Compute how many passes were on target and dropped.
How many passes were thrown in a dome. etc..
Does it rank/measure the Oline ranking on each pass.

The eyeball test works for me also. I believe i know a player when I see one, Darnold is a player. Give this guy some blocking, WRers that can get open/separate from their coverage. Shit, just give the guy a decent running game and lets see how he does.
Darnold, to me, is the goods. Put a team around this kid and let him go to work.
Keep hearing this is a make or break year for Darnold, bullshit. It might be make or break for a few WRers, make or break for LeVeon Bell, make or break for a few Olinemen. Make or break for Gases scheme or play calling.
Not for Darnold.
That’s how I feel anyway.

I think we're both riding on the same float here. Here's my simple analogy........I have a rifle that that I can at a hundred yards place three shots so close together that they are almost touching. I can hand it over to another shooter and the group spreads out considerably. Rifle = players and shooter = coaches. One can get the job done well with the tool supplied and the other can't. It's not the players that I'm most concerned about. It's Adam Gase. He hasn't impressed me in any way. His scheme is weak. His play calling and decision making is lackluster to say the least and he has no people skills. He refuses to adapt or make changes when everyone else can clearly see that is exactly what should be done. I admit that the "O" line performed poorly last season and that's not all on him but he failed to use that group effectively by playing to their strengths. He could have learned a lot from watching the other half of the team, but alas it seems that he's not even a good learner.
 
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