The best part of his extension is we will get a top 6 pick for the next 3 years. Surely we can build a nice team in 8-10 years with top 6 picks.
Jets Extend Contracts of GM Mike Maccagnan and Head Coach Todd Bowles
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Boy, you must be really pissed about this? Honestly, I figured this would happen as much as I hoped Woody would do the opposite.
Anyway, I'm not so sure resigning Mac isn't a good thing. 2015 and 2016 are damn near
1) draft a franchise QB
2) Fix OL
3) get the offense going
if Mac fails to complete any one of those mandates he will be fired.
Todd??? I still have no clue wtf Woody is thinking. Todd is Herm Edwards bad.
dont criticize herm Edwards. He had us in the playoffs and actually won us a division championship.
Bowles doesn’t do anything right.
While I am not a fan of TB I think the team played hard for him all year (except maybe two games) so I agree its year one of the rebuild but next year we need to see improvement in the O. WE need a QB, C (please) and maybe a LT. Not necessarily in that order either but we also need that and a dam pass rusher...
Funny how the best teams in the game never ever pick in the top 6....Giants are the rare exception this year. Top draft picks are nice but winning is more about coaching, culture and obtaining players that buy into your coaching strategy.
Hasn't worked for the Browns yet.
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Sorry Elias, you're just going to have to learn how to roll with the punches. Dumping on Herm Edwards and Toilet, Mangenius, Kotite, etc. Brings me great pleasure.
And really I just need an opportunity to vent. Toilets incompetence has been pointed out over and over again by educated fans. I don't think I need to point out the laundry list of things he does poorly. He gets consistently humiliated at the hands of a good HC like Bellichick. He can only muster a .500 record against the average HC's like Gase, Rex, McDermott. The results have NEVER been there even once in 3 seasons.
Most of the toilet apologists in this thread try to say in order to criticize toilet you must point out a replacement. That's dumb reasoning, not that I'm afraid of playing their game. But regardless of whether you have a replacement already in mind, you MUST make the move when you see the team is better off without the HC. How many more times do the sold out toilet believers need to see him lose games in the 2nd half because the opposing HC made an adjustment, stole momentum, and toilet had ZERO adjustments in him to steal momentum back?
MaineJet, first of all - no one here is a Bowles apologist. And those of us who support Bowles are some of the most educated fans you will find anywhere, so on behalf of everyone, I take exception to that statement. Just because we support the decision to retain Bowles doesn't mean that we are uneducated fans. Some of us have actually played the game, in high school, college or in the pros. So save the superiority rap - we're not buying it.
No one here has said Bowles is perfect or doesn't deserve criticism. No one here has said Bowles hasn't made his share of mistakes as a Head Coach. So stop mischaracterizing what we've said to suit your twisted version of the facts. I do not believe this team will be better off without a viable replacement. Find someone better. In my opinion, Bowles has this team headed in the right direction. Find someone better, period. I've also said if you could get Harbaugh or Gruden you've have to consider it. But, I don't believe either is coming here. It looks like Gruden is going to the Raiders, and Harbaugh is going to stay at Michigan. And I doubt Harbaugh would have any interest coming to the Jets, especially the way the organization is structured. The rest of the coordinators are just that coordinators. None of them have a track record.
This team exceeded expectations, and Bowles had a very good year as a head coach. This team competed in almost every game and the players play really hard from him. The younger plays are starting to develop nicely. He earned the opportunity to see his plan through. If it doesn't work out as planned in the next two years, and this team under performs, he'll be gone. And so will Mac in all likelihood. You will either get your wish, or the Jets will be competing in the playoffs to contend for a Super Bowl. So what's the problem?
Last point - this is not a game, finding a viable replacement is essential. That is not dumb reasoning, it's called being strategic. Let me help you understand what that means - it means looking at the problem from all sides, examining the short term tactics, and also most importantly the long term goals. Then weighing the risks, and examining data to make a well considered decision. Hope this helps.
No one here has said Bowles is perfect or doesn't deserve criticism. No one here has said Bowles hasn't made his share of mistakes as a Head Coach. So stop mischaracterizing what we've said to suit your twisted version of the facts. I do not believe this team will be better off without a viable replacement. Find someone better. In my opinion, Bowles has this team headed in the right direction. Find someone better, period. I've also said if you could get Harbaugh or Gruden you've have to consider it. But, I don't believe either is coming here. It looks like Gruden is going to the Raiders, and Harbaugh is going to stay at Michigan. And I doubt Harbaugh would have any interest coming to the Jets, especially the way the organization is structured. The rest of the coordinators are just that coordinators. None of them have a track record.
This team exceeded expectations, and Bowles had a very good year as a head coach. This team competed in almost every game and the players play really hard from him. The younger plays are starting to develop nicely. He earned the opportunity to see his plan through. If it doesn't work out as planned in the next two years, and this team under performs, he'll be gone. And so will Mac in all likelihood. You will either get your wish, or the Jets will be competing in the playoffs to contend for a Super Bowl. So what's the problem?
Last point - this is not a game, finding a viable replacement is essential. That is not dumb reasoning, it's called being strategic. Let me help you understand what that means - it means looking at the problem from all sides, examining the short term tactics, and also most importantly the long term goals. Then weighing the risks, and examining data to make a well considered decision. Hope this helps.
No. Actually, some guy/guys on a fan forum should have no say in whether an NFL HC is fired or not. Which is my point.
But if you are going to argue he should be gone, other posters are allowed to ask that question. That's the whole point of a forum.
Thank you. I played from the time I was 5 through 4 years of college, and have coached at the youth, high school, and prep school (postgrad) levels. I resent the notion that people who don't call Bowles "Toilet" are somehow uneducated and don't know the game.
You also point out the biggest difference I've seen. Those who oppose Bowles hate everything he does, give him no credit for anything. It's an absolutist position. Those who do not oppose Bowles recognize both his attributes and his faults, and have stated them on this board many times. When is the last time you have seen Bowles get any credit from someone who calls him Toilet.
i disagree with the notion that those people who want bowles back have flawed reasoning.
I personally don’t want Bowles back but I hope that the administration reached out and did it’s homework to see if there are any other options who are better than Bowles out there. If they just fired him for the sake of firing without a better replacement, what good would that do us? If anything, it may set the team back by changing systems and bringing more instability to the position.
Look, I don’t like Bowles but I’m giving the Johnsons the benefit of the doubt that they did their due diligence, saw that no one out there could do a better job than Bowles who is worth the hassle of changing the system. Keep in mind that Bowles has had a say in Maccs drafts and personnel decisions. If we hire someone else, those people that fit Bowles system may be useless in another.
Bowles is a horrible in game manager and unfortunately I can’t say he has improved since day one at those decisions, however, if Mac continues to add pieces to the team that fit his scheme, things pan out.
Tbh, I don’t know what head coach would have won more games than Bowles with the crap he’s had at QB. Let’s hope this off season, we get the QB of the future so we can begin to judge him properly.
We don't always agree but from day 1 many years ago I have always respected your opinion. I also do not respect the opinion of name calling bullies Here is where I part ways I go by gut feeings and they tell me Bowles is the wrong HC for a young franchise QB and I don't see a SB win in his future.
I certainly don't mind disagreeing. We have been on the same side of some debates, and on opposite sides of others. I just don't understand some of the name calling and other stuff that happens around some of these discussions.
You may be right about Bowles. Right now, I am not sold that he isn't the guy, and the team seems to really want to play for him, with the obvious exception of Mo.
I can relate to that. But I also recall that during those learning years, there was someone there who would point out what I did wrong, offer suggestions on how to do those things better, and let me learn from that critique. Then I would refine what I had learned and improved my performance.
But in the case of Bowles, there is no one to do that. And if there is, he is not listening to that person(s). He makes the same basic in-game mistakes, clock management, number of players on the field, not making in game adjustments, or adjusting to the other team's adjustments and deviating from his pregame plan when necessary. And he makes them over and over again. His in-game coaching has not improved one iota from his first game. It makes me think he is not capable of learning or understanding the nuances of in-game coaching in the NFL.
OK, I'll give you that he has improved the clubhouse. But that may be it. The locker room discipline has not translated to improved discipline on the field. They still make too many penalties, mental as well as physical.
You don't make the industrial psychologist from your HR staff your Chief Operating Officer or VP of Sales. The positions require different skill sets. And he has not yet demonstrated that in-game coaching is one of his.
Who would be better? I don't know. But I'll admit that evaluating coaching candidates is not one of my skill sets. But during my career as a management consultant, companies paid me to answer the question,"What's wrong with this picture?". And I believe I just did.
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Ok so your just pointing out MJ that's his calling card . So what
As for your first statement that's being over critical about any others who dislike TB, including me. Time to step off the high and mighty we're right you guys are just impatient foolish Jet fans platform
Year 1
Loved he got us to 10 wins , hated he blew the last game . Sorry that's me.
Year 2
Not much to love , 5 wins - no talk of rebuild yet
hated how he seemed to lose that team
Year 3
ok we suck NOW it's time to rebuild - built in excuse
All the rebuild talk, 0-16 to another 5-11
supposed new young talent headed by McCown
same coaching tactics
NG for me
so in your statement again we're all against Bowles don't see any good
Bowles supporters are so intelligent to see his attributes and his faults . Congratulations good for you guys .
well , it's year 4 , we really have no choice whose our coach,QB RB whoever.
Time to put up or is this a 10 year rebuild
Bigmoe, I disagree with your characterization of Sack's comments. I'm sure we all respect your opinion and certainly can understand it. We're all frustrated by the state of the franchise and want a winner. We might disagree on the best approach going forward, but we all have the same goal in mind.
I Agree, Rex Ryan was the same way. Absolutely refused to change and took stubborn to a whole new level.
Nothing wrong with a little constructive criticism if the intent is to produce positive results...(except it's not advisable to try this on your wife). I'm surprised with everything that is at stake coaches don't read these posts and say, well, that guy makes a pretty good point and I can change for the better. Fans can give some good advise yet coaches never seem to listen.
As fans our hearts are with this team for a lifetime. Is Todd Bowles a Jet fan??? Was he a Jet fan before he came here...probably not. There lies the problem. Most coaches are just hired for nothing more than to do a job and their heart is just not in it. Maybe we need a coach who is a real Fan at heart first......coach second.
Bowles has a lot of coaching issues to work on but he deserves a chance to improve what he has already started. Coach missed his big chance to make the play-offs in his first season mostly because he coached scared and refused to take chances to win a game when necessary....i notice this is one of his biggest issues.
This is what I heard from a good portion of this board:
Year 1: Sure, 10-6, but no playoffs, and he lost the last game. Besides, he doesn't deserve any credit because of the soft schedule. Team won 10 games in spite of Bowles.
Year 2: Awful performance all around, goes back to the HC.
Year 3: Gutting the roster is an excuse. You are what your record says you are.
To me, that is textbook blasting him for all that went wrong while doing mental gymnastics to avoid giving him credit for the positives.