Preach it! We are
#37 pick in 2015 NY Jets select Devin Smith WR Ohio State
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D GB is out for obvious reasons with this new regime. The knucklehead movement is over. However, I am curious why did you like the other three wide receivers rather then Smith?
D GB is out for obvious reasons with this new regime. The knucklehead movement is over. However, I am curious why did you like the other three wide receivers rather then Smith?
I love this clip every time I see it. I just hope I see something similar when he is wearing a green jersey
PENN STATE!
Beware of the mods on this board that went to Virgin's Community College and played flag football that have smart things to say about us!
+1. Wonder if he can be a golden Tate type for us.
PENN STATE!
Beware of the mods on this board that went to Virgin's Community College and played flag football that have smart things to say about us!
Haha yeah it is what it is...also, the jets just signed Deion Barnes who I loved watching play at state
Petty with his gun slinger arm paired with Devin's speed.....
HOLY MACKREL BATMAN!
HOLY MACKREL BATMAN!
You have a different scouting report than the rest of us.
the knock I heard was he doesn't like contact and thus won't like going over the middle. Have to watch that early on - footsteps.
Averaged 29 ypc and 10 of his 33 catches last year went to the house. He led the nation in 20+ yard receptions and 20+ yard TDs. I wouldn't disagree he doesn't like contact, but I would argue most WRs his size (S. Moss, D. Jax, Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin, Brandin Cook, etc) dont like contact. Most WRs his size arent Welker, Edelman, Chrebet, and Hines taking a pounding across the middle.
He does bring big play potential and likely a #2 long term...maybe a little like a young Santonio Holmes (also from Ohio St)...
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Smooth speed merchant with instant gas off the line. Has outstanding body composure and an effortless stride. Electrifying foot quickness. Game-breaking speed with necessary feel of a downfield receiver. Tracks the throw over his shoulder and never breaks stride in the chase. Averaged 28.2 yards per catch and 54.5 percent of his catches were for 25-plus yards in 2014. Used outside and from slot. Must be matched by speed on defense or with safety over the top. Uses shoulder dip from inside release to avoid being redirected by slot corner. Speed creates uncontested targets for him underneath. Can snap off dig routes and open immediately. Good luck giving chase to Smith on a crosser or speed-out in the red zone. Might have been the best gunner in college football.
WEAKNESSES Lacks natural, soft hands. Will double catch and corral throws into body. Tries to catch, turn and run before securing the throw. Shows a lack of patience in his routes. Game too heavily reliant upon speed. Must learn to be effective when deep ball is restricted by defense. Thin hips and frame. Play strength is below average. Can be frustrated by physical corners. Gets jostled and distracted when bodied hard down the field. Desire lacking as run blocker. Often taken off field and replaced when Buckeyes wanted to run out of "11" personnel.
DRAFT PROJECTION Round 2
NFL COMPARISON DeSean Jackson
BOTTOM LINE Smith isn't just combine-fast, he's game-fast and he would have had more than 12 touchdown catches during the 2014 season if he didn't have to slow down and wait on throws so often. Smith has the feet and hips to become much more than a deep-ball specialist and should be able to step right into a gunner spot on special teams. He still needs to learn his craft and improve his hands, but he has rare speed to score from anywhere on the field.
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grogan14
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Not to rain on your parade but I'd seriously pump the breaks on this kid. He has almost the exact concerns around him as another 2nd round physical freak Stephen Hill? Far from a finished NFL product and just as much to prove. In fact if you look at the scouting reports in terms of strengths and weaknesses, you could switch their names they read so much alike, not to mention Hill had a 4.28 40 time much better than Smith and that didn't seem to help him in the NFL.
You think so?
Huh. Stephen Hill grew up playing soccer and started playing football in college. He had 6, 15, adn 28 catches in college for 1, 3, and 5 TDs total in a run heavy offense.
Devin Smith was a top WR recruit coming out of high school to play football...not a converted soccer player, one of the top, if not the top, football player in the state of Ohio coming out of high school.
http://ohiostate.scout.com/story/977552-devin-smith-commits-to-ohio-state
Oh, and he had 30, 44, and 33 receptions...for 6, 8, and 12 TDs...as in Smith's jr season out performed Hill's entire career and experience as a WR.
In other words, your comparison sounds like a Patriot troll that has no idea what you are talking about as you compare Mr. Football in the State of Ohio to a former soccer player turned WR...
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grogan14
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Sure Smith had a little more production in college than Hill which is certainly in his favor, but you're kidding yourself if you think they are that much different at the point they both entered the NFL.
Hill's last season in college, 28 receptions, 820 yards 5 tds.
Smiths final season in college, 33 receptions, 931 yards 12 tds.
Sorry just because I'm not going to put the kid in the Hall of Fame doesn't make me a Troll, and just because you refuse to see the similarities between the two doesn't mean they don't exist. For god sake scouting reports for both of them call them "one trick ponies" in college. Now we know what happened to Hill, and I'm not saying that is what Smith will be but to ignore the very real similarities and concerns is flat out foolish.
While I agree that the most comparable WR prospect in this draft to Stephen Hill is Devin Smith, there are signs that Smith will be much more successful in the NFL.
The similarities: both had minimal production in college coming from run-oriented offenses. Both benefited as their team's designated deep threat, running a go route when the defense was napping and/or cheating up to help in the run game. Both were asked to do little else then get behind the defense in these sorts of situations.
The differences: As 55 pointed out, Smith has a pretty distinguishable football background dating back to high school. He's not raw as a football player. But the biggest thing is how each player attacks the ball in the air. Smith shows the rare ability to adjust and contort his body to attack the football and make tough catches. His hands and ball skills are top flight and this skill-set is the reason he has drawn comparisons to Steve Smith. Hill had average to below average hands and was not great at making in-air adjustments. He was a bit stiff.
I think, at minimum, Smith can be what John Brown was last year for the Cardinals or what Martavis Bryant was for the Steelers. I actually think he's a little bit better than both with his ball skills, and he has a more sturdy build as well. Considering their production last year, this should have people bullish on Smith.
The similarities: both had minimal production in college coming from run-oriented offenses. Both benefited as their team's designated deep threat, running a go route when the defense was napping and/or cheating up to help in the run game. Both were asked to do little else then get behind the defense in these sorts of situations.
The differences: As 55 pointed out, Smith has a pretty distinguishable football background dating back to high school. He's not raw as a football player. But the biggest thing is how each player attacks the ball in the air. Smith shows the rare ability to adjust and contort his body to attack the football and make tough catches. His hands and ball skills are top flight and this skill-set is the reason he has drawn comparisons to Steve Smith. Hill had average to below average hands and was not great at making in-air adjustments. He was a bit stiff.
I think, at minimum, Smith can be what John Brown was last year for the Cardinals or what Martavis Bryant was for the Steelers. I actually think he's a little bit better than both with his ball skills, and he has a more sturdy build as well. Considering their production last year, this should have people bullish on Smith.
Oh, you want to compare stat lines to make your point without actually making a point...
One is a natural football player and one is a natural soccer player...
Smith would be the best WR on your roster today...lets see if you have anything to say as he runs past your secondary with his eyes closed.
You're not a troll because you arent putting him in the HOF, you're a troll because you come on here saying stupid things like Williams is the next Gholston and Smith is the next Hill when there is zero correlation except you hate the jets...and they are on the Jets...the rest of your points and post do not make sense...at all...and lack football IQ. I am blaming the lack of football IQ on being a troll...I'd go with it if I was you and see if the Pats fans want to deal with your shenanigans on their board. Stop trolling ours.
stephen hill scouting report:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/stephen-hill?id=2533537
OVERVIEW
Hill is an early-entry junior receiver out of Georgia Tech who started consistently for the past two years and was the sole deep threat in a run-first offense. He has great length and an outstanding catch radius, which along with his speed makes him a serious deep-threat option in the NFL. He has a thin frame and will be hurt by the fact that he ran a very basic route tree at Georgia Tech, and teams won't be able to utilize him for much more than go routes at this point in his career. He is a splash player who was No. 1 in the nation in yards per catch; he has fourth-round value based off his all-around body of work but could impress a team with his size and speed enough to ascend significantly throughout the pre-draft process. If the rest of his game can catch up to the ability he shows in the deep passing game, Hill could be the sleeper of this year's draft.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Hill will be a legitimate deep threat at the next level -- by recording nearly 30 yards per catch as a senior, he showed he was capable of going deep and scoring on every play. He consistently runs past corners on deep routes and is impressive at the point of the catch, as he is able to lay out for the ball or rise above his defender. Hill is a very good blocker who uses his length well and surprisingly doesn't get off-balance often, something that is usually evident of players with his frame. Though it's risky to throw early comparisons of Hall-of-Fame-caliber players on prospects that don't even garner first-round consideration, Hill could remind some of Randy Moss when it comes to running a pure, one-on-one deep route.
WEAKNESSES Hill's value is based purely off his ability as a deep threat. He has average quickness and moves off the line of scrimmage to avoid a jam. He ran a very basic route tree at Georgia Tech that didn't allow him to showcase many skills. Outside of catching jump balls, he struggles to read coverages and understand how to find holes in a zone. Hill looks uncomfortable with the ball in his hands and resembles a lengthy track star on the field instead of a football player. He dropped as many big balls as he made big plays; his YPC stat defines him perfectly as a player who is capable of making flash plays but isn't reliable.
devin smith sccouting report (same source):
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/devin-smith?id=2552459
OVERVIEW
2014: Honorable mention All-Big Ten. Played in all 15 games with 11 starts. Led team with 931 yards
and 12 TD. Had 4 receptions, 137 yards, 3 TD vs Wisconsin in Big Ten Championship Game. Had 2 receptions, 87 yards, TD in Sugar Bowl vs Alabama. 2013: Honorable mention All-Big Ten. Played in all 14 games with 12 starts. 2012: Played in all 12 games with 10 starts. 2011: Played in all 13 games.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Smooth speed merchant with instant gas off the line. Has outstanding body composure and an effortless stride. Electrifying foot quickness. Game-breaking speed with necessary feel of a downfield receiver. Tracks the throw over his shoulder and never breaks stride in the chase. Averaged 28.2 yards per catch and 54.5 percent of his catches were for 25-plus yards in 2014. Used outside and from slot. Must be matched by speed on defense or with safety over the top. Uses shoulder dip from inside release to avoid being redirected by slot corner. Speed creates uncontested targets for him underneath. Can snap off dig routes and open immediately. Good luck giving chase to Smith on a crosser or speed-out in the red zone. Might have been the best gunner in college football.
WEAKNESSES Lacks natural, soft hands. Will double catch and corral throws into body. Tries to catch, turn and run before securing the throw. Shows a lack of patience in his routes. Game too heavily reliant upon speed. Must learn to be effective when deep ball is restricted by defense. Thin hips and frame. Play strength is below average. Can be frustrated by physical corners. Gets jostled and distracted when bodied hard down the field. Desire lacking as run blocker. Often taken off field and replaced when Buckeyes wanted to run out of "11" personnel.
DRAFT PROJECTION Round 2
NFL COMPARISON DeSean Jackson
BOTTOM LINE Smith isn't just combine-fast, he's game-fast and he would have had more than 12 touchdown catches during the 2014 season if he didn't have to slow down and wait on throws so often. Smith has the feet and hips to become much more than a deep-ball specialist and should be able to step right into a gunner spot on special teams. He still needs to learn his craft and improve his hands, but he has rare speed to score from anywhere on the field.
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not sure i see the comparison between the 2. hill was a very raw player who had track speed but not really developed skills. smith, while also a deep threat, is a much more polished (comparatively) player who had a productive college career. hill flew up the draft board following combine workouts. smith was always expected to be a fringe 1st-2nd round pick.
now i'm someone who didn't love the smith pick (thought there were better WRs available), but i do not see the similarities between the 6'4 combine freak hill and the 6'0 honoroable all big ten smith. other than being jets draft picks, that's a horrible comp
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/stephen-hill?id=2533537
OVERVIEW
Hill is an early-entry junior receiver out of Georgia Tech who started consistently for the past two years and was the sole deep threat in a run-first offense. He has great length and an outstanding catch radius, which along with his speed makes him a serious deep-threat option in the NFL. He has a thin frame and will be hurt by the fact that he ran a very basic route tree at Georgia Tech, and teams won't be able to utilize him for much more than go routes at this point in his career. He is a splash player who was No. 1 in the nation in yards per catch; he has fourth-round value based off his all-around body of work but could impress a team with his size and speed enough to ascend significantly throughout the pre-draft process. If the rest of his game can catch up to the ability he shows in the deep passing game, Hill could be the sleeper of this year's draft.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Hill will be a legitimate deep threat at the next level -- by recording nearly 30 yards per catch as a senior, he showed he was capable of going deep and scoring on every play. He consistently runs past corners on deep routes and is impressive at the point of the catch, as he is able to lay out for the ball or rise above his defender. Hill is a very good blocker who uses his length well and surprisingly doesn't get off-balance often, something that is usually evident of players with his frame. Though it's risky to throw early comparisons of Hall-of-Fame-caliber players on prospects that don't even garner first-round consideration, Hill could remind some of Randy Moss when it comes to running a pure, one-on-one deep route.
WEAKNESSES Hill's value is based purely off his ability as a deep threat. He has average quickness and moves off the line of scrimmage to avoid a jam. He ran a very basic route tree at Georgia Tech that didn't allow him to showcase many skills. Outside of catching jump balls, he struggles to read coverages and understand how to find holes in a zone. Hill looks uncomfortable with the ball in his hands and resembles a lengthy track star on the field instead of a football player. He dropped as many big balls as he made big plays; his YPC stat defines him perfectly as a player who is capable of making flash plays but isn't reliable.
devin smith sccouting report (same source):
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/devin-smith?id=2552459
OVERVIEW
2014: Honorable mention All-Big Ten. Played in all 15 games with 11 starts. Led team with 931 yards
and 12 TD. Had 4 receptions, 137 yards, 3 TD vs Wisconsin in Big Ten Championship Game. Had 2 receptions, 87 yards, TD in Sugar Bowl vs Alabama. 2013: Honorable mention All-Big Ten. Played in all 14 games with 12 starts. 2012: Played in all 12 games with 10 starts. 2011: Played in all 13 games.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Smooth speed merchant with instant gas off the line. Has outstanding body composure and an effortless stride. Electrifying foot quickness. Game-breaking speed with necessary feel of a downfield receiver. Tracks the throw over his shoulder and never breaks stride in the chase. Averaged 28.2 yards per catch and 54.5 percent of his catches were for 25-plus yards in 2014. Used outside and from slot. Must be matched by speed on defense or with safety over the top. Uses shoulder dip from inside release to avoid being redirected by slot corner. Speed creates uncontested targets for him underneath. Can snap off dig routes and open immediately. Good luck giving chase to Smith on a crosser or speed-out in the red zone. Might have been the best gunner in college football.
WEAKNESSES Lacks natural, soft hands. Will double catch and corral throws into body. Tries to catch, turn and run before securing the throw. Shows a lack of patience in his routes. Game too heavily reliant upon speed. Must learn to be effective when deep ball is restricted by defense. Thin hips and frame. Play strength is below average. Can be frustrated by physical corners. Gets jostled and distracted when bodied hard down the field. Desire lacking as run blocker. Often taken off field and replaced when Buckeyes wanted to run out of "11" personnel.
DRAFT PROJECTION Round 2
NFL COMPARISON DeSean Jackson
BOTTOM LINE Smith isn't just combine-fast, he's game-fast and he would have had more than 12 touchdown catches during the 2014 season if he didn't have to slow down and wait on throws so often. Smith has the feet and hips to become much more than a deep-ball specialist and should be able to step right into a gunner spot on special teams. He still needs to learn his craft and improve his hands, but he has rare speed to score from anywhere on the field.
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not sure i see the comparison between the 2. hill was a very raw player who had track speed but not really developed skills. smith, while also a deep threat, is a much more polished (comparatively) player who had a productive college career. hill flew up the draft board following combine workouts. smith was always expected to be a fringe 1st-2nd round pick.
now i'm someone who didn't love the smith pick (thought there were better WRs available), but i do not see the similarities between the 6'4 combine freak hill and the 6'0 honoroable all big ten smith. other than being jets draft picks, that's a horrible comp
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grogan14
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Maybe you don't read so well but I said no such thing, and never even mentioned Williams, who for the record I expect to be a beast. Fact there are many here raising the same questions about the similarities between Smith and Hill as well as scouting reports, if you can't deal with it being a valid topic up for real debate then that's you're problem.
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grogan14
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I think that's a reasonable assessment, but clearly the mere mention of Hill in relation to Smith is too much for some here to deal with. The simple fact is there are many similarities between the two as NFL prospects, but nowhere am I saying that they will end up the same. In fact I would tend to agree that Smith is more polished and that should give him a better chance at developing. However that's the key word, "developing" both needed to develop, Smith as he is now is a one trick pony, with less speed to do what everyone seemed to think Hill would be able to come into the NFL and do with ease, which is run the deep route. He couldn't, and he never developed any route running ability. Now your asking a kid with similar tools to do the same, believing he absolutely will succeed is just plain foolish.
You forgot the troll picture! Maybe you can make it your profile pick. I just noticed you forgot the troll pick. I didnt actually read the mess you wrote above. Just an FYI.