#37 pick in 2015 NY Jets select Devin Smith WR Ohio State

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You know very well that it was an expression Hobson. Let me say this, many professional scouts, as well as off the street football fans have stated the similarities between Smith and Hill, both in physical skills as well as an overall NFL prospects. Are they exactly the same? No, I even stated I believe Smith is a more polished prospect an thus should have a better chance of making the transition to the NFL then Hill did. That said there are those here that are clearly viewing him as a sure fire prospect no matter what and just so I'm clear, I think that view point is stupid and short sighted. That's really all I have to say on the matter, yet you get guys like 55 and Sg3 that try and twist it around because 1. They can't stand the thought of another Stephen Hill "rightfully so, and 2. Believe a Patriot fan is attacking one of their binky's.

Anyone can question any picks.

The difference is, you come over here for the sole purpose of targeting the picks of the Jets you wish to question. I didn't see you go into a single thread here and make a post about how that was a good pick by the Jets.

 

[Superman55]

here is the most comprehensive scouting report on smith you will ever see:

"The table stratifies into good and bad tiers, which seems to happen around 9 yards per target. Obviously, Devin Smith annihilates everyone on this list in almost incomprehensible fashion. Considering that he caught 33 balls on 45 targets, and that a number of his targets weren’t really catchable based on what I’ve seen in a few DraftBreakdown videos, I’m left to conclude that Devin Smith is really good at getting open downfield and almost never drops a pass. I like that combination.

If you’re thinking, “Jon, you’re an idiot, the reason he was so efficient is because he got so few targets” then I would like to direct you to this chart, which shows final season targets plotted against yards per target for top 100 receivers since 2006. Yes there is a minor correlation between fewer targets and higher efficiency, but it doesn’t come close to explaining 20.7 yards per target."

"Interestingly, Devin Smith’s best season, in terms of market share was in 2012 in his age 20 season. We’ve talked before about how breakout age could be be the skeleton key, but even if it’s not, Smith has been solid for multiple seasons in comparison to other Urban Meyer receivers. In other words, Devin Smith’s lower-than-ideal market share isn’t necessarily a function of his talent, but more likely a function of his environment.

The final, and I think most interesting, piece of the puzzle is the way a great coach like Urban Meyer modified Smith’s role between 2013 and 2014. Sort the table by YPT and notice that, again, Smith’s yards per target is nearly double the nearest contender. What’s fascinating to me is that Meyer cut Smith’s opportunities in half in 2014, but used him in this very unique and efficient way. In an system that has remained largely the same for a decade, why would Meyer deploy Smith in a way that is unlike anything he has done before, unless he saw Devin Smith as a unique talent? If that’s the case, then I don’t want to be the idiot disagreeing with Urban Meyer, even if Smith scores a little lower than I’d like in one or two metrics. Considering his current rookie draft ADP of late second round (WR10), I think that’s a good value for a potentially unique receiver.

“He’s the best deep-ball catcher I’ve ever had,” Meyer said. “And I’ve had a few. A lot of those kids aren’t just playing, but they’re starting in the NFL. He’s the best as far as going to get a ball.”

http://rotoviz.com/2015/03/devin-smith-we-know-he-is-explosive-but-this-is-outrageous/


This article was written a month before the draft. If any jets fans has doubts about Smith...you should really read this scouting report. Its really well written. I'd read it if you love Smith...you'll like him a lot more...

 

[SackExchange]

You have to consider, from the context of the future of the franchise, how Smith would fit in. Hill was looked at as a physical specimen with great size and speed, but some unknowns about hands and consistency coming from a run-first system.

Smith, on the other hand, is very much a known commodity. He is one of the most dangerous deep targets around, with his speed and ability to bring in just about any deep ball. He's the best deep ball receiver in this draft.

It just so happens that the Jets also drafted the best deep ball thrower in the draft, based on statistics.

 

[grogan14]

Anyone can question any picks.

The difference is, you come over here for the sole purpose of targeting the picks of the Jets you wish to question. I didn't see you go into a single thread here and make a post about how that was a good pick by the Jets.

How what was a good pick for the Jets? I had already said in this thread or another that the Williams pick was out standing. In point of fact, I never said the Smith pick was a bad one or even questioned it, it was actually the logical pick, what I said was, "he has similar question around his skills and ability to develop into an NFL WR as did Stephen Hill". Now that's a fact, and many scouts and fans alike have pointed this out about Smith so it should be no shock.

 

[SackExchange]

How what was a good pick for the Jets? I had already said in this thread or another that the Williams pick was out standing. In point of fact, I never said the Smith pick was a bad one or even questioned it, it was actually the logical pick, what I said was, "he has similar question around his skills and ability to develop into an NFL WR as did Stephen Hill". Now that's a fact, and many scouts and fans alike have pointed this out about Smith so it should be no shock.

Saying he's a lot like Hill, though, is pretty superficial analysis. They played different roles in completely different systems.

And it should be noted that if you did give praise to Williams, it was here while you were taking shots at the Smith pick.

My point is, you only come here and post in threads to take shots at the Jets. If you liked the Williams pick, you didn't say it in the Williams thread. You really do come over here solely to stir the pot and try to tweak Jets fans.

 

[ucrenegade]

use the ignore feature please and thanks

 

[OCCH]

How what was a good pick for the Jets? I had already said in this thread or another that the Williams pick was out standing. In point of fact, I never said the Smith pick was a bad one or even questioned it, it was actually the logical pick, what I said was, "he has similar question around his skills and ability to develop into an NFL WR as did Stephen Hill". Now that's a fact, and many scouts and fans alike have pointed this out about Smith so it should be no shock.

Could you provide some links to these statements?

It really seems ignorant to compare the two (simply based on Hill's lack of experience), and I personally never heard them from anyone but you, so I'd like to see who else is making the comparison and the reason they're doing so (hopefully more than "they're both real fast").

Thanks.

 

[JetsMakeMeCry]

One way or the other, taking Smith over dgb can be franchise altering

 

[sg3]

I guess you can also see why a chowd troll might be crapping in his pants over having to face the 2015 Jets with Smith and Marshall and Decker as their big three receivers, Ivory Powell and Stacy at RB when their marginal defense lost their two best DBs and their best DL and some others

Not to mention the Jet defense tearing a new asshole for their 38+ year old immobile QB whose career will continue to deflate with the tick tick tock that even their cheating scumbag HC can't stop

 

[Football51]

More on Smith.

https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news...be-the-best-deep-threat-in-the-2015-nfl-draft




Also, still waiting on those links comparing him to Hill

 

[grogan14]

Could you provide some links to these statements?
It really seems ignorant to compare the two (simply based on Hill's lack of experience), and I personally never heard them from anyone but you, so I'd like to see who else is making the comparison and the reason they're doing so (hopefully more than "they're both real fast").

Thanks.

Well for starters maybe one of your own teams web sites.

"FLORHAM PARK — The book on Devin Smith, the Ohio State wide receiver the Jets selected in the second round of the draft on Friday night, is that he's blazing fast. In a conference call with reporters just after he was picked, Smith said he's run the 40-yard dash as fast as 4.3 seconds, though at the combine in February, he was officially clocked at 4.42.

Smith is exactly the sort of vertical threat the Jets' offense has lacked in recent years. His selection fits a pattern in which the Jets have aggressively addressed a variety of roster needs this offseason.

The Jets thought they had found a downfield target like Smith when they picked Stephen Hill out of Georgia Tech in the second round three years ago. But Hill, who could basically run fast in a straight line and little else, was cut at the end of last season's training camp. And that was one head coach and two general managers ago.

The 6-foot, 196-pound Smith has drawn comparisons to DeSean Jackson, the ex-Eagles speedster who's now with Washington.

The Jets met with Smith at the Senior Bowl, then again at the combine, but they did not bring him in for a pre-draft visit.

NFL DRAFT: Full coverage of the 2015 draft class

"I think [his speed] can help a lot, especially stretching the field," Smith said. "Going vertical, I think I can really help this team in that area."

The knock on Smith is his hands; he's said to rely almost exclusively on his speed, though that doesn't mean he can't be coached up. The Jets thought the same of Hill, of course, but just because Hill washed out doesn't mean Smith will, too. They're two different players in two different situations with two different head coaching and front-office regimes.

Smith caught just 33 passes last year as a senior on Ohio State's national-title team. But he averaged an eye-popping 28.2 yards per catch and scored 12 touchdowns.

Smith thinks he's versatile enough to be used in different ways in the Jets' offense. He also had been a gunner on punt coverage teams at Ohio State, though it remains to be seen whether the Jets have any plans to use him in that role.

Dom Cosentino may be reached at dcosentino@njadvancemedia.com. Follow him on" Twitter @domcosentino. Find NJ.com Jets on Facebook

Then again you guys are right, there's nothing similar there.

 

[OCCH]

Well for starters maybe one of your own teams web sites.

"FLORHAM PARK — The book on Devin Smith, the Ohio State wide receiver the Jets selected in the second round of the draft on Friday night, is that he's blazing fast. In a conference call with reporters just after he was picked, Smith said he's run the 40-yard dash as fast as 4.3 seconds, though at the combine in February, he was officially clocked at 4.42.

Smith is exactly the sort of vertical threat the Jets' offense has lacked in recent years. His selection fits a pattern in which the Jets have aggressively addressed a variety of roster needs this offseason.

The Jets thought they had found a downfield target like Smith when they picked Stephen Hill out of Georgia Tech in the second round three years ago. But Hill, who could basically run fast in a straight line and little else, was cut at the end of last season's training camp. And that was one head coach and two general managers ago.

The 6-foot, 196-pound Smith has drawn comparisons to DeSean Jackson, the ex-Eagles speedster who's now with Washington.

The Jets met with Smith at the Senior Bowl, then again at the combine, but they did not bring him in for a pre-draft visit.

NFL DRAFT: Full coverage of the 2015 draft class

"I think [his speed] can help a lot, especially stretching the field," Smith said. "Going vertical, I think I can really help this team in that area."

The knock on Smith is his hands; he's said to rely almost exclusively on his speed, though that doesn't mean he can't be coached up. The Jets thought the same of Hill, of course, but just because Hill washed out doesn't mean Smith will, too. They're two different players in two different situations with two different head coaching and front-office regimes.

Smith caught just 33 passes last year as a senior on Ohio State's national-title team. But he averaged an eye-popping 28.2 yards per catch and scored 12 touchdowns.

Smith thinks he's versatile enough to be used in different ways in the Jets' offense. He also had been a gunner on punt coverage teams at Ohio State, though it remains to be seen whether the Jets have any plans to use him in that role.

Dom Cosentino may be reached at dcosentino@njadvancemedia.com. Follow him on" Twitter @domcosentino. Find NJ.com Jets on Facebook

Then again you guys are right, there's nothing similar there.

I'm not big on labeling people trolls, but you sure are living up to the title.

Either you didn't read the article, or don't have reading comprehension skills. It's obvious the only connection the writer is making is that the Jets FAILED to find in Hill what they HOPE to find in Smith.

The author actually goes out of his way to make sure readers don't think he's comparing the two WRs, yet somehow you still come to that conclusion . . .

 

[Football51]

Well said OCCH. Reading comprehension is definitely the issue.

 

[Superman55]

Well said OCCH. Reading comprehension is definitely the issue.

+2

 

[sg3]

+2

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[hobson54]

grogan - if devin smith were drafted by any team other than the jets, would you (or anyone) compare him to stephen hill?

if devin smith were drafted by the pats, would you compare him to stephen hill?

the only reason anyone would compare devin smith to stephen hill is (i) the are both fast WRs known as down-field threats, and (ii) they were both drafted by the jets.

the same article you posted as evidence says he's like desean jackson...how come you haven't been using that comparison around here???

 

[jetfandreamer]

Grogan is an ..... hes protecting an arrogant that took a NAVY long snapper in the 5th round when there were PLENTY of good prospects there

BELICHICK is a horrible drafter..I laugh when he gets extra picks....





Dreamer, let's not crazy with the language and personal attacks.

 

[NickSINYC]

Just a quick thought I love reading through all the active threads here except the ones Groan hijacks it's a shame IMO but it's not my site. c'est la vie

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

+3

+4

 

[grogan14]

grogan - if devin smith were drafted by any team other than the jets, would you (or anyone) compare him to stephen hill?

if devin smith were drafted by the pats, would you compare him to stephen hill?

the only reason anyone would compare devin smith to stephen hill is (i) the are both fast WRs known as down-field threats, and (ii) they were both drafted by the jets.

the same article you posted as evidence says he's like desean jackson...how come you haven't been using that comparison around here???

You know what, I concede, you guys are right 100%, there are no similarities to be drawn between Devon Smith and Stephen Hill as NFL prospects. No similarities in skills or limitations, no one is drawing any comparisons about them both coming into the league with questions regarding a limited skill set, there is no question that Devon Smith's limited skill set will expand in the NFL where Hill's didn't and no one here or anywhere else is drawing any comparisons between the two at all. Everyone feel better now?