#6 pick in 2015 - Jets select Leonard Williams DT USC

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agreed. But it seems like Scherff was 1a and Williams was 1b regardless of where they picked. I am sure most teams draft based on BPA at a position of need; well, except us.

For all we know we would have taken Schreff if there as well.

My only point is "the best player" shouldn't take need into account. If you were starting a team from scratch, would you choose Williams or Schreff? From everything I read it seemed Williams was the answer, which is why I didn't mind taking him, regardless of repercussions (and despite the fact that I place a VERY high priority on OL strength).

If you're now saying a highly respected scout doesn't think Williams is a better TALENT than Schreff, I obviously respect that opinion -- it would just fly in the face of everything I thought I heard/read . . .
 

hobson54

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Well, yes, if you remove enough names, Williams was #1 . The point is, with all the names in the draft, Williams was not #1 on almost any boards.


out of curiosity, how do you know this? were you privy to all 32 draft boards?

not saying that i know this, and i've repeatedly stated i was going on the so-called draft experts, which is the best a fan can do.

but how do you know where williams was ranked by the teams?
 

Superman55

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out of curiosity, how do you know this? were you privy to all 32 draft boards?

not saying that i know this, and i've repeatedly stated i was going on the so-called draft experts, which is the best a fan can do.

but how do you know where williams was ranked by the teams?

The broad statement that Williams was the #1 player on draft boards is not true. Duck tail it how you want. My point is running around saying the Jets got the #1 player in the draft isn't true. He didnt fall to #6 because of dumb luck...he wasnt #1 on draft boards. Period...or he wouldnt be there at 6. That is my point and only confirmed as more and more details become available. I dont have to walk into every draft room to see teams valued Cooper and Fowler ahead of him...and another team rated Scherff ahead of him calling him their 1b to Scherff's 1A...that's a quote.
 

hobson54

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agreed. But it seems like Scherff was 1a and Williams was 1b regardless of where they picked. I am sure most teams draft based on BPA at a position of need; well, except us.


sounds like you are still upset we drafted based on BPA instead of need.

if we truly wanted to draft for need, we should have taken the best remaining offensive lineman. would that have made you happy?

hard to say WR (which for the record, white was my preference) was the biggest need, given we have decker, marshall (who apparently we promised to re-work his contract) and kerley on the roster (plus amaro as a receiving TE).

so, that leaves QB (humongous reach at 6) or o-line (pretty big reach, especially with scherff off the board).

so, picking on need, who you taking???
 

hobson54

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The broad statement that Williams was the #1 player on draft boards is not true. Duck tail it how you want. My point is running around saying the Jets got the #1 player in the draft isn't true. He didnt fall to #6 because of dumb luck...he wasnt #1 on draft boards. Period...or he wouldnt be there at 6. That is my point and only confirmed as more and more details become available.


yet oddly, 3 of the 5 players taken before williams, you personally would have hated (winston, mariota and scherff). so either those GMs are idiots, or your evaluations of them were way off, as i don't think any of them was anywhere near the top of 55's board.
 

Superman55

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yet oddly, 3 of the 5 players taken before williams, you personally would have hated (winston, mariota and scherff). so either those GMs are idiots, or your evaluations of them were way off, as i don't think any of them was anywhere near the top of 55's board.

agreed
 

Superman55

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Also, I would have hated the pick if Scot was our GM and took Scherff...but I view him like Bill Obrien, im a fan. If Obrien coached the Pats, I would still be a fan of "him", just not his team.

I have a lot of respect for Scot, like I do Obrien. That doesnt mean I agree with all of their moves, but if the jets could land either of them, it would be christmas for me.

I would defend either of them as smart football men.
 

Green Jets & Ham

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Here is his board: Fowler 1, Scherff 2, Williams 3
If that was his board, then Williams was the smart pick due to positional value.

Unless he believes Scherff is Larry Allen, if he believes that then Scherff was the right pick, but if he sees him as anything short of that level, IMO Williams was the smart pick.
 

Football51

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Williams could've been #1 on the Bucs/Titans boards. They went QB because they have a dire need at the position, hope they won't be in position to draft one high in the near future again, and QB trumps all in the NFL. Jake Locker was drafted before JJ Watt.
 

Superman55

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Williams could've been #1 on the Bucs/Titans boards. They went QB because they have a dire need at the position, hope they won't be in position to draft one high in the near future again, and QB trumps all in the NFL. Jake Locker was drafted before JJ Watt.

lets hope williams is the next watt, though I like Ronnie Lott's comparison to reggie White better, and its all moot.
 

Superman55

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7. Odds and ends: A couple of rookies, defensive end Leonard Williams and linebacker Lorenzo Mauldin, got some work with the first-team nickel package. ... Brent Qvale and Brian Winters shared time at right guard with the starters. ... Nice practice for tight end Jeff Cumberland, who made a couple of grabs in red-zone drills. The offense was significantly better in the red zone than the previous day. ... Safety Rontez Miles was active near the line of scrimmage, but he let a potential interception sail through his hands.
 

BlindsideD'Brick

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Leonard Williams and Dante Fowler were the best players in this draft. And the Jets got one of them. At #6 , too. As 51 pointed out, the two QB's caused the slip. No way Tenn and TB pass on Mariota and Winston given their respective problems at the position.
 

Superman55

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Leonard Williams and Dante Fowler were the best players in this draft. And the Jets got one of them. At #6 , too. As 51 pointed out, the two QB's caused the slip. No way Tenn and TB pass on Mariota and Winston given their respective problems at the position.

Oh, no one had Amari Cooper ahead of those 2....hmmm, wonder how you know this...wonder who I sound like with that question...
 

Green Jets & Ham

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On my initial and updated big boards I had only four players in TIER 1 (i.e. the elite blue chippers), and one of them was Williams, so I'm thrilled with the pick, as I would have been with any of the four. I felt all along that if we could walk away with one of my top four elites with the 6th overall pick, I would walk away happy and feeling like we stole one. It really doesn't matter too me if Williams was 1 or 4 on that list, either way I feel lucky to get him at 6.

For the record, I had the following players in TIER 1:

  1. Leonard Williams
  2. Amari Cooper
  3. Dante Fowler
  4. Kevin White
 

Superman55

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On my initial and updated big boards I had only four players in TIER 1 (i.e. the elite blue chippers), and one of them was Williams, so I'm thrilled with the pick, as I would have been with any of the four. I felt all along that if we could walk away with one of my top four elites with the 6th overall pick, I would walk away happy and feeling like we stole one. It really doesn't matter too me if Williams was 1 or 4 on that list, either way I feel lucky to get him at 6.

For the record, I had the following players in TIER 1:

  1. Leonard Williams
  2. Amari Cooper
  3. Dante Fowler
  4. Kevin White

And I think those 4 players, plus Scherff, were most teams (not all as some people seem to feel is a definite) made up most team's top 5 big board...the order is unknown, but at least 3 teams did not have Williams #1 - Jax, Oakland, and Washington all had players ahead of Williams.

I dont have to be in the draft room to know that before I get another stupid reply (yes, replies about that are stupid...pointed at no one in particular)...they picked the higher guy on their board...even if weighted based on need.

But, we got a top 5 talent #6 because the QB pushed that top 5 talent down. We are fortunate to have Williams.
 

Superman55

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Rookie Leonard Williams no 'fish out of water' with Jets

By DENNIS WASZAK Jr.
Published: Yesterday

FILE - In this June 3, 2015, file photo, New York Jets defensive lineman Leonard Williams holds a stick during an NFL football organized team activities at the team's training center in Florham Park, N.J. Williams, a star defensive lineman from USC, is expected to be a major contributor with the Jets as a rookie. (AP Photo/Julio Cortez, File)
FLORHAM PARK, N.J. (AP) - Leonard Williams hauled a few practice trash bins from the field to the sideline, one of the dirty jobs of an NFL rookie.

The New York Jets defensive lineman has gotten pretty good at carrying veterans' helmets to the locker room, too.

He has also been tasked at times with getting up in front of the meeting room to try to make the rest of the players - a tough crowd, for sure - laugh at some jokes.

"I'm definitely rolling with it," a smiling Williams said after completing his first pro minicamp Thursday. "I know my role."

The Jets certainly have a few roles in mind for the No. 6 overall pick from Southern California. Williams was considered by some to be the best overall player in the draft, and New York plans to make use of his versatility and athleticism.

Williams worked all over the line during the three days of minicamp, from left end in the Jets' 3-4 base defense to nose tackle in the sub package to defensive tackle in a four-man front. Coach Todd Bowles thought Williams "held his own" against the first-team offensive linemen.

"The big thing is going to come in pads, when you can get hands on people and shoulder pads, and you can really show your strength," Bowles said. "From an assignment standpoint, he wasn't a fish out of water."

Well, not at first.

Williams is a physical presence at 6-foot-5 and 320 pounds, along with an impressive puffed-out mane that has earned him the nickname "Leo" - like a lion. But, he acknowledged that he had some jitters when he first got to the facility.

"Obviously, I have a lot of confidence in myself and my ability to play football," he said. "At the same time, going into anything new, I feel like that would make anyone nervous."

No longer the big fish in college, Williams had to learn a new playbook, pick up a new defense and fit in with a whole new set of teammates and coaches. Just like all the other rookies and draft picks.

"I wouldn't call it tentativeness," he said. "It was more like being nervous, being anxious and stepping into a new system. I would definitely say it's all gone now. I'm a lot more comfortable with all the guys and all the coaches.

"I'm just ready to roll now."

That's good news for the Jets, who already boasted one of the league's top defensive lines before Williams got here with Muhammad Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson and Damon Harrison making things miserable for opponents up front.

While it might appear the Jets would be set as far as starters, Bowles likes to mix things up so Williams will likely see some significant playing time. Williams wasn't concerned that he was stepping into a situation where the other defensive linemen might look at him as someone who could potentially take their jobs.

"I'd actually rather go into a program that has guys that I can learn from who are veterans, rather than going into a program where I'm going to be that guy," he said. "I feel I can learn easier where I'm coming in as a rookie and I have guys in front of me that I can learn from."

Williams has huddled up with the veterans, such as Richardson giving him tips about how offensive linemen position their feet and how to beat them. He plans to go back to California and work out at USC and study his playbook throughout the break before training camp in late July.

While there, he's aiming to get his weight down to about 312 pounds after playing in college between 305 and 310. He's also looking to get his first driver's license.

"I already know how to drive," said Williams, who turns 21 on June 20. "I just don't have a license. I'm going to do that now that I have a break."

Maybe he'll get a new jersey number at some point, too. He's currently wearing No. 62 - and odd number for a defensive lineman - after being No. 94 in college. That's Harrison's number, so it won't be that with the Jets.

"It's definitely been weird," he said, laughing. "We had to get fitted for pads yesterday and when they asked me for my number, they asked me if I was an O-lineman. But that's another part of knowing my role. I've just got to wait it out, keep working hard and eventually get a (different) number."

NOTES: The Jets released OT Sean Hooey. ... WR Brandon Marshall (stubbed toe), CB Darrin Walls (toe) and TE Zach Sudfeld (left knee) didn't participate in practice. Bowles said Sudfeld was having additional tests, so it appears it's "more than a minor injury." ... RB Stevan Ridley, coming back from torn anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments in his right knee, hopes to be ready for Week 1 of the season, but doesn't want to set himself up for "false hope" with a timetable.

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