Ah Oh----Wilkerson no show for OTA's

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People aren't trading a young starting 10-15 sack a year OLB in May and June. That shipped has sailed. If you move Mo, it will be for future picks and leave the roster with less talent in 2015.

If we trade Mo, Williams better be a stud, because if he isn't and we trade Mo, he may be on a similar path to Idzik. mac better handle this situation right. Losing our best player and drafting his replacement didn't work out too well for Idzik...Revis for Milliner. careful history doesn't repeat itself.

That's why you keep Mo now, and utilize the franchise possibility. If Williams becomes a stud, then you can deal Mo if you want. But if you control him this year, and still have two franchise year options ahead, why rush it?
 

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That's why you keep Mo now, and utilize the franchise possibility. If Williams becomes a stud, then you can deal Mo if you want. But if you control him this year, and still have two franchise year options ahead, why rush it?

+1 Another option open to them providing Mo doesn't become a locker room headache.. I wish I knew what he's asking for and what the Jets have offered.. It was reported when Mac sat down with his agent at the combine they were far apart..
 

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+1 Another option open to them providing Mo doesn't become a locker room headache.. I wish I knew what he's asking for and what the Jets have offered.. It was reported when Mac sat down with his agent at the combine they were far apart..

I agree with your approach completely. Sheldon in my opinion has surpassed Mo as being our best player. It's probably Sheldon, Revis, Mo.
 

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+1 Another option open to them providing Mo doesn't become a locker room headache.. I wish I knew what he's asking for and what the Jets have offered.. It was reported when Mac sat down with his agent at the combine they were far apart..

I doubt he would become a headache. Right now, this is all posturing and negotiation. I cannot see him being deliberately disruptive.
 

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...and how many of you think Sheldon isn't paying attention to how we are handling this with Mo?
 

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...and how many of you think Sheldon isn't paying attention to how we are handling this with Mo?

I would bet that when Sheldons time comes for a new contract he won't have a problem or hold out from anything.. Out of Revis and KJ how many players have held out for a new contract in the last 20 years?? KJ was a problem and was traded like Revis..
 

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The Jets are just leveraging their position of strength and playing the game with Wilkerson. The question no one here knows is how this will affect him both from a holdout perspective and mentally.

You hate to see him hold out being a new system is being installed and every practice is a learning experience and if the holdout extends through the start of training camp then we all know what happens to guys who show up late (injury). Again this is all speculation but certainly a possibility the Jets risk with playing hardball.

Either way it's a damper on the excitement we all want to have with them all lining up together.
 

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The Jets are just leveraging their position of strength and playing the game with Wilkerson. The question no one here knows is how this will affect him both from a holdout perspective and mentally.

You hate to see him hold out being a new system is being installed and every practice is a learning experience and if the holdout extends through the start of training camp then we all know what happens to guys who show up late (injury). Again this is all speculation but certainly a possibility the Jets risk with playing hardball.

Either way it's a damper on the excitement we all want to have with them all lining up together.

Hopefully, even if he signs, it doesnt lead to injury. I remember Revis holdouts were usually followed up with an injury. I think not getting up to speed slowly and trying to jump in the mix causes players to get hurt. Hopefully, when practice becomes mandatory, he doesnt miss any time.
 

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...and how many of you think Sheldon isn't paying attention to how we are handling this with Mo?


Well, I think everyone can see that it was Idzik who dropped the ball on the Wilkerson negotiations. When Macc got hired, he had to make front office changes, help Bowles get the coaching staff in order, deal with the impending free agency period, impending draft, etc. With a deal for 2015 already in hand, Wilkerson was not an issue that Macc had the luxury to tackle early on. Hopefully, both sides will be able to compromise to get a long term deal done. I don't see the team giving Mo the franchise tag in 2016(likely $15 mil) and keeping him if they are trying to get him long term for around $12 mil per. I think if he gets the tag, he's getting traded. I hope that's not the case, because I'd like him to stay. Sheldon should be able to recognize just how proactive Macc has been.
 

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Richardson's absence concerns me, though. Really concerns me. Voluntary or not, show the hell up.

I never liked holding out, but I can sort of understand it with Mo. Not with Richardson.
 

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Richardson's absence concerns me, though. Really concerns me. Voluntary or not, show the hell up.

I never liked holding out, but I can sort of understand it with Mo. Not with Richardson.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's "standing in solidarity" with Mo.

Nice thought, except I'd rather his allegiance be to his new coach/rest of the team than one guy.

Of course, I could be way off, but as you said, it certainly doesn't look good . . .
 

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Well, I think everyone can see that it was Idzik who dropped the ball on the Wilkerson negotiations. When Macc got hired, he had to make front office changes, help Bowles get the coaching staff in order, deal with the impending free agency period, impending draft, etc. With a deal for 2015 already in hand, Wilkerson was not an issue that Macc had the luxury to tackle early on. Hopefully, both sides will be able to compromise to get a long term deal done. I don't see the team giving Mo the franchise tag in 2016(likely $15 mil) and keeping him if they are trying to get him long term for around $12 mil per. I think if he gets the tag, he's getting traded. I hope that's not the case, because I'd like him to stay. Sheldon should be able to recognize just how proactive Macc has been.

Nah, Sheldon probably figures we'll draft his replacement and let him walk too like we would have essentially done with Wilkerson.

These hos ain't loyal!
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if he's "standing in solidarity" with Mo.

Nice thought, except I'd rather his allegiance be to his new coach/rest of the team than one guy.

Of course, I could be way off, but as you said, it certainly doesn't look good . . .

Why? Its obvious his team isnt loyal to the players, so why be loyal to the team? They draft your replacement and refuse to pay you...not sure why the players should feel obligated to reward that behavior...
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if he's "standing in solidarity" with Mo.

Nice thought, except I'd rather his allegiance be to his new coach/rest of the team than one guy.

Of course, I could be way off, but as you said, it certainly doesn't look good . . .

If he did, it would be a first for me. And it would be a pretty indictable offense, honestly.
 

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Why? Its obvious his team isnt loyal to the players, so why be loyal to the team? They draft your replacement and refuse to pay you...not sure why the players should feel obligated to reward that behavior...




I'll ask the question again here. What has this ​regime done to draw your scorn?
 

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I'll ask the question again here. What has this ​regime done to draw your scorn?

Drafted a player he wouldn't have drafted in the first round. This whole thing has to do with him not liking the Jets taking BPA who played a position of strength.

For an armchair GM, going against what that armchairer would do is an unforgivable offense.
 

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Drafted a player he wouldn't have drafted in the first round. This whole thing has to do with him not liking the Jets taking BPA who played a position of strength.

For an armchair GM, going against what that armchairer would do is an unforgivable offense.

you're talking out of both sides of your mouth, so your point is moot.
 

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Used the #6 pick as a negotiation tactic rather than improving our overall football roster...


I disagree. I think he took BPA. The Jets supposedly had Williams, Fowler, and Cooper rated much higher then the rest of their board. IMO, they seized the opportunity to draft(in their view) a game changing talent. I don't believe they thought for one moment that Williams would alter Mo's demands in any way. They made the team better with that pick.
 

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Why? Its obvious his team isnt loyal to the players, so why be loyal to the team? They draft your replacement and refuse to pay you...not sure why the players should feel obligated to reward that behavior...

You do realize his fellow teammates don't make salary decisions, right?

You do realize EVERY one of those players who stepped on the field are subject to the same decisions Sheldon is watching, right?

You do realize he IS hurting his TEAM (not just the FO) by choosing to not show up, right? (If in fact that's what he's doing)
 
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