Another attribute of Fitz that seems to be forgotten

[Mainejet]

Fitz seems to get what being the Jets starting QB is all about. The Jets starting QB objective is not only to play well overall, but it's as much about beating our rivals. The Jets and Patriots have hated each other for a very long time now. As far as I am concerned that is the biggest rivalry the Jets have today. It certainly isn't the Dolphins. The Jets owned the Dolphins last season.

Fitz seems to understand that the job of a Jets QB is as much about beating the Patriots as it is winning overall. The Patsies are our hated rivals. Even if this team is the most destitute, pathetic, sh*tty, 0-14 team, the Jets MUST play the Patsies well. IMO, Fitz did exactly that last season.

Fitz played tremendously well against our hated rivals in both games last season. He never threw an INT. He did have a turnover in each game respectively, but really I don't view them as being his fault. That was more a function of poor OL play.

I look forward to seeing what Fitz can do against the Patsies this season. If he can pave the way for us to split with the Patsies again this season, it would a huge accomplishment for Fitz and the team overall. Sweeping them would be proof positive that the Jets are ready to take the next step.

 

[BigDan]

Agree 100%

 

[butterscotch]

We need to win period a 500 record against the pats is nothing to me.

 

[Mainejet]

We need to win period a 500 record against the pats is nothing to me.

Same with me for sure. But lets face it, sweeping the Patsies is no easy task. They have swept us many times recently. We have not swept them since about the year 2000.

 

[mykcuz]

And our division is getting tougher to get wins out of. Pats are always hard, bills play well in division and don't roll over, and I think the dolphins ate no slouch this year.

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[ReallyBigfan]

Fitz seems to get what being the Jets starting QB is all about. The Jets starting QB objective is not only to play well overall, but it's as much about beating our rivals. The Jets and Patriots have hated each other for a very long time now. As far as I am concerned that is the biggest rivalry the Jets have today. It certainly isn't the Dolphins. The Jets owned the Dolphins last season.

Fitz seems to understand that the job of a Jets QB is as much about beating the Patriots as it is winning overall. The Patsies are our hated rivals. Even if this team is the most destitute, pathetic, sh*tty, 0-14 team, the Jets MUST play the Patsies well. IMO, Fitz did exactly that last season.

Fitz played tremendously well against our hated rivals in both games last season. He never threw an INT. He did have a turnover in each game respectively, but really I don't view them as being his fault. That was more a function of poor OL play.

I look forward to seeing what Fitz can do against the Patsies this season. If he can pave the way for us to split with the Patsies again this season, it would a huge accomplishment for Fitz and the team overall. Sweeping them would be proof positive that the Jets are ready to take the next step.

Why are you conveniently leaving out how Fitz performed against the other hated rival, the Bills? Especially in the season finale win-and-you're-in-lose-and-you-go-home game, which as you know, the Jets lost and went home. If the Jets can't beat the Bills, they aren't going anywhere.

 

[mykcuz]

Why are you conveniently leaving out how Fitz performed against the other hated rival, the Bills? Especially in the season finale win-and-you're-in-lose-and-you-go-home game, which as you know, the Jets lost and went home. If the Jets can't beat the Bills, they aren't going anywhere.

A lot more to that story. Fitz played well enough to win. It's over simplifying to blame him, and when the game was going down the drain Fitz pressured throws he shouldn't have to try and save the game. It's been discussed at length.

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[Mainejet]

Why are you conveniently leaving out how Fitz performed against the other hated rival, the Bills? Especially in the season finale win

Because I believe the blame for losing that game falls as much on Todd Bowles shoulders as it does Fitz....

 

[flgreen]

Why are you conveniently leaving out how Fitz performed against the other hated rival, the Bills? Especially in the season finale win

Because I believe the blame for losing that game falls as much on Todd Bowles shoulders as it does Fitz....

Have to agree here. Not to throw Bowles under the bus, but twice last season the Bills came out better prepared, and motivated.

 

[butterscotch]

Same with me for sure. But lets face it, sweeping the Patsies is no easy task. They have swept us many times recently. We have not swept them since about the year 2000.

I agree but I need to go 3- 0 against them this year in the reg. season The cards should beat them

 

[ReallyBigfan]

Why are you conveniently leaving out how Fitz performed against the other hated rival, the Bills? Especially in the season finale win

Because I believe the blame for losing that game falls as much on Todd Bowles shoulders as it does Fitz....

Of course you do. But be that as it may, Fitz spit the bit in that game and threw INTs when he had a chance to win it. I appreciate what Fitz did last season overall, but I am concerned that against top defenses and cold weather, Fitz will struggle as he always has.

 

[flgreen]

Of course you do. But be that as it may, Fitz spit the bit in that game and threw INTs when he had a chance to win it. I appreciate what Fitz did last season overall, but I am concerned that against top defenses and cold weather, Fitz will struggle as he always has.

In all fairness, the whole team spit the bit in that game, as they did in the first match against the Bills.

Fitz is a good, efficient QB, who the team accepts as their leader. Every one knows he is NOT an elite QB in the mold of Manning/Brady, who when the O is not performing as a well oiled machine, can put the team on his back and make amazing throws in the 4th quarter to salvage a poor effort by the whole Offense. When Fitz is forced to do that, by an uninspired team, bad things are going to happen. Very few QB's in the league can do that on a consistent basis. Certainly NOBODY else the Jets have as a QB right now can do it.

Even Manning and Brady have been made to look like bums in prime time by good D's who are playing at a high level.

This certainly doesn't mean that Todd Bowles is a bust as a HC. He was a rookie HC who's team was out played by a team that just flat out wanted it more. Twice. You may hate Rex as a HC, and have a valid argument, but he unquestionably is a top DC, who as a HC can get his team to play at a high level in certain games.

If the Jets are to have a step up, make the play offs , and win some games, Todd is also going to have to grow, and learn from his experience. He's said so as much himself.

To say that Fitz can't get the team to the play offs because he never has before,is as invalid as the big claim last year, when a lot of people were saying Jets were going to be a 6-10 team , because Fitz sucked, and had never had a winning record in the NFL.

They won 10 games last year which in 90% of years is enough to get a team to the play offs. Circumstances didn't allow that. One of the major circumstances that prevented it, was losing to a division rival, who is coached by the Jets previous HC, Twice.

Team wasn't prepared either time. Hopefully that changes this year.

 

[SackExchange]

Why are you conveniently leaving out how Fitz performed against the other hated rival, the Bills? Especially in the season finale win

Because I believe the blame for losing that game falls as much on Todd Bowles shoulders as it does Fitz....

Just curious, if you blame Bowles for Week 17, do you also credit him for the 5-0 record in the previous five games?

 

[flgreen]

Just curious, if you blame Bowles for Week 17, do you also credit him for the 5-0 record in the previous five games?

Question not directed at me, but I certainly give Bowles a lot of credit for a fairly successful season. He was a rookie HC, who did a very nice job with a team nobody expected much from.

He also had some periods during the season that the team seemed to go flat on him. That falls on the HC. Both of the Bills games were an example of that. He went against a flawed HC who has the ability to get his team sky high for certain games. The Jets as a team fell short.

As with most rookies who have good 1st years, as Bowles had last year, we expect more from them going forward. I suspect he will deliver.

JMO

 

[SackExchange]

I think Bowles' consistency is a double-edged sword. The team stays on even keel, not getting too low. But they also don't get too high.

Rex would get his guys up for big games, but not every game can be a big game. So there would be letdowns.

It's a philosophical question. Would you rather have the team that has the benefit of consistency, or the team that has the benefit of getting up for big games?

 

[jetgreen13]

I think Bowles' consistency is a double-edged sword. The team stays on even keel, not getting too low. But they also don't get too high.

Rex would get his guys up for big games, but not every game can be a big game. So there would be letdowns.

It's a philosophical question. Would you rather have the team that has the benefit of consistency, or the team that has the benefit of getting up for big games?

all games are not created equally..

i hope that's a lesson bowles learned last season..

losing (twice) to the guy you replaced is not a good look..

 

[SackExchange]

all games are not created equally..

i hope that's a lesson bowles learned last season..

losing (twice) to the guy you replaced is not a good look..

I'm more concerned about a team's record over the course of a season than two head-to-head matchups. A 16-game sample size is a lot more useful than a 2-game sample size. And as Parcells said, you are what your record says you are.

 

[jetgreen13]

I'm more concerned about a team's record over the course of a season than two head-to-head matchups. A 16-game sample size is a lot more useful than a 2-game sample size. And as Parcells said, you are what your record says you are.

oh i remember quite vividly..

parcells' catch phrase is nice & all.. but what good was 10-6 when we needed 11-5??

 

[flgreen]

oh i remember quite vividly..

parcells' catch phrase is nice & all.. but what good was 10-6 when we needed 11-5??

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, even the 10-6, over the course of the season would have gotten the Jets in the playoffs, if they had beaten the Bills once.

Jets were tied with the Steelers @ 10-6, also tied in Div. 3-3 and tied in conf. 7-5. if the Jets had beaten the Bills just once an still at 10-6 they would have had a better Div, and Conf record then the steelers

 

[SackExchange]

oh i remember quite vividly..

parcells' catch phrase is nice & all.. but what good was 10-6 when we needed 11-5??

Well, it's better than 8-8.

And if your only barometer of a good season is making the playoffs, you're ignoring several factors. There have been 9, and even 8 win teams that have made the playoffs. Did that make them better than 10 or 11 win teams that haven't?