BPA out the window

[Bronx]

Right now, this team is looking like very suspect on the offensive line and at the linebacker position. 3/5s of the line should really be replaced, and if we start this group next season , no way we have the same success on offense. The only position that looks worse is linebacker. Our best player in this group has a million miles on the odometer, and we can't name one definitive starter, at any of the other 3 spots. Mac can talk a good game, but BPA is highly unlikely come draft day.

 

[gmf1369]

Right now, this team is looking like very suspect on the offensive line and at the linebacker position. 3/5s of the line should really be replaced, and if we start this group next season , no way we have the same success on offense. The only position that looks worse is linebacker. Our best player in this group has a million miles on the odometer, and we can't name one definitive starter, at any of the other 3 spots. Mac can talk a good game, but BPA is highly unlikely come draft day.

James Carpenter was a great signing last season and proved to be the best lineman on our aging line... Brian Winters stepped in and played well but he is entering contract year, leaving the question is Jarvis Harrison the future at right guard because I doubt we re-sign Winters next off season... Brick may have one more season but Breno doesn't... Are the rumors true that Brent Qvale can replace Breno at right tackle then that means we have one covered... Nick Mangold has been a beast at center, but age has started to show up with durability... This draft has two maybe three centers that would serve well to sit and learn for a year behind Mangold...

I don't think Jack Conklin from MSU will be on the board when we pick so will be interesting to see if the Jets on April 1st will be at Indiana's Pro Day for Jason Spriggs whom is the next best tackle still climbing the big board... Jets were at Georgia's Pro Day and took a real look at John Theus whom right now is a mid 3rd round prospect and I have him 10th on my Top 10 Tackle Big Board... North Dakota State's Joe Haeg is another prospect on the 24th to see if the Jets are serious in drafting a tackle... Haeg is the 13th best tackle that has versatility to play either side...

Think between Notre Dame Nick Martin and Michigan State's Jack Allen are the two centers the Jets need to focus on this draft as both have potential to be tenure players and we need an heir apparent to Mangold...

 

[flgreen]

I don't see any reason at all that BAP is out the window. It's a fairly good possibility that the BAP at 20, or 51 for that matter could be either an OL'er or an OL. Actually IMO, the odds are in favor of it being one of the 2.

 

[Jets Global]

Yes Macc likes to take Best Player Available but the Jets have to fill needs and try to develop players to continue the overhaul of certain positions on this roster

Offensive Line is in dire need of one maybe two tackles while center there is no certainty we have the player to succeed Mangold, Carpenter is solid but is Winters the guy or is last year's rookie Harrison the future? They sent OL coach to KSU and a couple of other pro days scouting interior offensive lineman

3-4/4-3 need hybrid lineman/linebacker who can fit both schemes -- Shiliquoe Calhoun, Carl Nassib, Leonard Floyd, Jordan Jenkins, are four of 15 known players the Jets have scouted at pro days

wouldn't put it past the Jets and Macc to trade down if the opportunity is there to stock pile additional picks

Mo, Richardson could still be options for trade

Roster moves like Ferguson, Giacomini have yet to be made so the speculation on the main needs could be is hard to tell right now but from what the Pro Day focus shows that they are looking to continue building the front seven and rebuild or get younger on the offensive line

 

[Bronx]

BPA out the window

Window dress it anyway you want. They will use the first two picks on a tackle and a linebacker. This team is in cap hell,and the draft is the only way to fill those two desperate needs. The only other scenario would be two tackles or two linebackers, or if they fall in love with a quarterback. So you can fantasize about taking the best player available, but it is really out the window


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[Mainejet]

Right now, this team is looking like very suspect on the offensive line and at the linebacker position. 3/5s of the line should really be replaced, and if we start this group next season , no way we have the same success on offense. The only position that looks worse is linebacker. Our best player in this group has a million miles on the odometer, and we can't name one definitive starter, at any of the other 3 spots. Mac can talk a good game, but BPA is highly unlikely come draft day.

NONSENSE. What if the BPA at 20 just so happens to be an OL? And the OL is not in the dire straits you claim they are. That's a total exaggeration. 3/5 of the OL is completely fine and Giacomini, if the Jets opt to start him at RT, has at least one more decent year in him.

The Jets are in need of a RT or RG right or both right now.

With that said, if Conklin falls to 20? Which he won't, but if he did? Mac should grab him no questions asked. Not only would Conklin fill a need, but he would also be BPA at #20

 

[Bronx]

Breno had a terrible year, so where is the good year coming from? You're the first person I know who thinks he played well.

Like I said, spin it anyway you want, we are going tackle or linebacker


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[TebowCan'tThrow]

Breno had a terrible year, so where is the good year coming from? You're the first person I know who thinks he played well.

Like I said, spin it anyway you want, we are going tackle or linebacker


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Brent may suck and the OL may be old, but we had the best offense we have probably ever had last year with a decent running game. Now we have two RB's with great pass catching skills. Mo is getting traded or Breno is getting cut or Brick is taking a pay cut/released. I agree we may have to draft for need, but our need and BPA are probably the same thing at this point.

 

[Bronx]

I don't know how anyone can predict what the BPA will be at 20. The most talent in this draft is on the defensive line


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[Mugatu]

I don't know how anyone can predict what the BPA will be at 20. The most talent in this draft is on the defensive line


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A BPA list isn't usually scripted as a 1-100 list, where you assign a ranking for each player. Players are placed on tiers, and the lower you fall, usually the less difference there is between these different tiers.

Often a team will have up to a dozen players more or less equally ranked on a tier. Taking BPA doesn't mean you have to take someone ranked 19th before someone you have ranked 22nd. In all likelihood they are the same tier. Difference is very marginal

It's MUCH harder to stick to tier philosophy when you're ranked in the top 5 or 10 picks because these groupings are much smaller. Sometimes you get handed a Leonard Williams....you need to take him because there because you get obvious value.

For the Jets to take BPA at 20, it's quite likely they'll have a target on the OL that is available to them.

"reaching" or "filling needs" usually is a scenario where you see a QB like Hackenburg taken 2 or 3 tiers early because the team has nobody to play QB. Or the Dolphins a couple years back taking Juwan James in the 1st because of a severe run on OL.

Besides.... Drafting strictly by BPA or by need is a complete myth. Every team uses a hybrid style whether they admit it or not.

 

[VincentL]

I don't know how anyone can predict what the BPA will be at 20. The most talent in this draft is on the defensive line


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You absolutely right that you cannot predict BPA drafting. Pretty much every mock draft selects by need. No mock draft on planet Earth had us taking Leonard Williams. Every draft some team thinks they have uncovered a hidden gem and "reaches". Miami and Buffalo are notorious for this. We've done it quite often ourselves.

But there is no way BPA is out the window. Big Mac has stated his philosophy as fill holes in Free Agency so you can draft the BPA. That's why we brought in Revis, Cro, Skrine and Gilchrist at huge money so we didn't have to reach for DBs in the draft.

I wouldn't be surprised if we find a starter or two for our O-line in the June cuts. I'll eat my hat if we "reach" for anyone no matter how "desperate" we appear. Big Mac just seems way too old-school. Thank God!

 

[Mainejet]

Breno had a terrible year, so where is the good year coming from? You're the first person I know who thinks he played well.

Like I said, spin it anyway you want, we are going tackle or linebacker


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That OL that you claim is decrepit gave up a measly 22 sacks this season. As a unit, they were top 5 in the league for the fewest sacks allowed. So once again, you are exaggerating the problem. It's not anywhere near what you think it is.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

That OL that you claim is decrepit gave up a measly 22 sacks this season. As a unit, they were top 5 in the league for the fewest sacks allowed. So once again, you are exaggerating the problem. It's not anywhere near what you think it is.

And yet failed on every short yardage situation that I can remember. They weren't horrible as a whole but need some youth.

 

[Old#15]

And yet failed on every short yardage situation that I can remember. They weren't horrible as a whole but need some youth.

I think that is a fair assessment. Were the 22 sacks a function of a good OL, or a QB who either got rid of the ball quickly or scrambled to avoid sacks. I think it was more of the latter. We desperately need an infusion of young talent, particularly at OT and C. Brick will be gone after this year, and Thor is getting a bit long in the tooth as well. I'm not sure Dozier is the answer at C, either short or long term. Contrary to a lot of what I read here, I think we have answers long term at the G position with Carpenter, Winters, Harrison and maybe Dozier.

 

[Bronx]

I think that is a fair assessment. Were the 22 sacks a function of a good OL, or a QB who either got rid of the ball quickly or scrambled to avoid sacks. I think it was more of the latter. We desperately need an infusion of young talent, particularly at OT and C. Brick will be gone after this year, and Thor is getting a bit long in the tooth as well. I'm not sure Dozier is the answer at C, either short or long term. Contrary to a lot of what I read here, I think we have answers long term at the G position with Carpenter, Winters, Harrison and maybe Dozier.

Agreed, If we don't address both tackle spots, we are asking for it. Breno is a waste, and Brick's better days are long gone

 

[VincentL]

I think that is a fair assessment. Were the 22 sacks a function of a good OL, or a QB who either got rid of the ball quickly or scrambled to avoid sacks. I think it was more of the latter. We desperately need an infusion of young talent, particularly at OT and C. Brick will be gone after this year, and Thor is getting a bit long in the tooth as well. I'm not sure Dozier is the answer at C, either short or long term. Contrary to a lot of what I read here, I think we have answers long term at the G position with Carpenter, Winters, Harrison and maybe Dozier.

Yes our O-Line needs a lot of attention this year and forward. Both Tackles need to be addressed (not both this year though). I am NOT sold on Winters, and Mangold can't play forever. I don't care about the sack total -- Fitz was running for his life way too often and we weren't exactly blowing people off the line in the run game. We are going to see a number of new faces along the line this year and next.

 

[Mainejet]

And yet failed on every short yardage situation that I can remember. They weren't horrible as a whole but need some youth.

If you're reading my posts then you know I am very clearly not disagreeing with a youth movement. I did not say they weren't in need of new blood, but Bronx is overly dramatizing the situation. Their needs along the OL does not ruin the idea of adhering to the BPA.

 

[Bronx]

If you're reading my posts then you know I am very clearly not disagreeing with a youth movement. I did not say they weren't in need of new blood, but Bronx is overly dramatizing the situation. Their needs along the OL does not ruin the idea of adhering to the BPA.

Right. It's the needs at both OL and OLB combined, that make BPA a dream.

 

[Mainejet]

Right. It's the needs at both OL and OLB combined, that make BPA a dream.

But it's still nonsense Bronx. Trading Mo is imminent and will likely give the Jets another 1st rounder. They could also opt to trade down and accumulate a lot more picks. Teams that have mastered taking the BPA do NOT let need get in the way. They let the talent come to them and they use FA to fill particular holes they were unable to fill in the draft. Mac could just as easily take that approach (and I think he probably will) with this draft.

 

[hatnlvr]

I think that is a fair assessment. Were the 22 sacks a function of a good OL, or a QB who either got rid of the ball quickly or scrambled to avoid sacks. I think it was more of the latter. We desperately need an infusion of young talent, particularly at OT and C. Brick will be gone after this year, and Thor is getting a bit long in the tooth as well. I'm not sure Dozier is the answer at C, either short or long term. Contrary to a lot of what I read here, I think we have answers long term at the G position with Carpenter, Winters, Harrison and maybe Dozier.

+1
The unit was ranked 26th in the league so like it or not, it needs an infusion of youth and to be rebuilt.