Fitzpatrick Thread: Latest Update - Jets concerns growing over Ryan Fitzpatrick's inability to throw

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[h=1]Jets concerns growing over Ryan Fitzpatrick's inability to throw deep pass[/h]

Ryan Fitzpatrick spent his training camp shrugging off criticism over his arm strength and lack of ability to throw deep. He was unfazed about the frequent knocks against him and said he had heard it all before.

But three weeks into this Jets season —which has started relatively well for Gang Green — concern has been mounting about the veteran quarterback’s limitations in throwing the ball downfield.

In last week’s loss to the Eagles, Fitzpatrick went 0-for-8 with an interception in passes that traveled 20 or more yards in the air, according to ProFootballFocus.com. For the season, he has completed just three of 20 attempts on passes of at least 20 yards in the air.

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By comparison, there are plenty of other questionable quarterbacks with higher completion percentages on passes of 20 yards and beyond such as: Tyrod Taylor (40%), Ryan Tannehill (39%) Jameis Winston (46%) and Blake Bortles (33%), all according to ProFootballFocus.com.

Former Ravens coach Brian Billick, now an analyst for NFL Network, said demonstrating an ability to throw deep is important for the Jets.

“You have to be able to take the top off the defense,” Billick said in a phone interview. “It’s not enough (just to throw it deep). At some point you have to connect deep.”

Arm strength, however, is not necessarily the issue, the former coach thought.

“Obviously, when you look at Ryan Fitzpatrick’s total work, he’s never really been with an explosive team,” he said. “Deep balls are not a function of arm strength, it’s a matter of touch and timing. So it’s kind of hard to put a finger on why they haven’t been more explosive.”

Of course, the numbers could be worse: Sam Bradford has yet to complete a pass traveling at least 20 yards in the air this season — though he’s only attempted seven, per ProFootballFocus.com. That might not be much of a surprise to Jets fans, because while the Eagles won on Sunday, Bradford did not look good.

The problem for the Jets against Philadelphia was that, once they fell behind, they needed to rely too much on Fitzpatrick.

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He ended up attempting 58 passes, which, even by the quarterback’s own admission, was too many.

“For Ryan Fitzpatrick, in my opinion you want to keep it to a 30-35 throw game,” Billick said. “You get up (higher) you’re going to get all of Ryan Fitzpatrick, and that means the good and bad.”

Often when fans imagine a successful Jets season, they picture something in the vein of the 2000 Ravens team that Billick coached. With Trent Dilfer as their quarterback, that team won the Super Bowl.

“Anytime a team plays good defense and is marginal at quarterback, that comparison is made,” Billick said. “Which is probably not fair because we’re not talking about good defense, we’re talking about all-time great defense.”

He also pointed out that the league didn’t have quite as many star quarterbacks at that time, and that he didn’t have to go through teams that had QBs the caliber of Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.
 

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[h=1]Jets concerns growing over Ryan Fitzpatrick's inability to throw deep pass[/h]

Ryan Fitzpatrick spent his training camp shrugging off criticism over his arm strength and lack of ability to throw deep. He was unfazed about the frequent knocks against him and said he had heard it all before.

But three weeks into this Jets season —which has started relatively well for Gang Green — concern has been mounting about the veteran quarterback’s limitations in throwing the ball downfield.

In last week’s loss to the Eagles, Fitzpatrick went 0-for-8 with an interception in passes that traveled 20 or more yards in the air, according to ProFootballFocus.com. For the season, he has completed just three of 20 attempts on passes of at least 20 yards in the air.

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By comparison, there are plenty of other questionable quarterbacks with higher completion percentages on passes of 20 yards and beyond such as: Tyrod Taylor (40%), Ryan Tannehill (39%) Jameis Winston (46%) and Blake Bortles (33%), all according to ProFootballFocus.com.

Former Ravens coach Brian Billick, now an analyst for NFL Network, said demonstrating an ability to throw deep is important for the Jets.

“You have to be able to take the top off the defense,” Billick said in a phone interview. “It’s not enough (just to throw it deep). At some point you have to connect deep.”

Arm strength, however, is not necessarily the issue, the former coach thought.

“Obviously, when you look at Ryan Fitzpatrick’s total work, he’s never really been with an explosive team,” he said. “Deep balls are not a function of arm strength, it’s a matter of touch and timing. So it’s kind of hard to put a finger on why they haven’t been more explosive.”

Of course, the numbers could be worse: Sam Bradford has yet to complete a pass traveling at least 20 yards in the air this season — though he’s only attempted seven, per ProFootballFocus.com. That might not be much of a surprise to Jets fans, because while the Eagles won on Sunday, Bradford did not look good.

The problem for the Jets against Philadelphia was that, once they fell behind, they needed to rely too much on Fitzpatrick.

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He ended up attempting 58 passes, which, even by the quarterback’s own admission, was too many.

“For Ryan Fitzpatrick, in my opinion you want to keep it to a 30-35 throw game,” Billick said. “You get up (higher) you’re going to get all of Ryan Fitzpatrick, and that means the good and bad.”

Often when fans imagine a successful Jets season, they picture something in the vein of the 2000 Ravens team that Billick coached. With Trent Dilfer as their quarterback, that team won the Super Bowl.

“Anytime a team plays good defense and is marginal at quarterback, that comparison is made,” Billick said. “Which is probably not fair because we’re not talking about good defense, we’re talking about all-time great defense.”

He also pointed out that the league didn’t have quite as many star quarterbacks at that time, and that he didn’t have to go through teams that had QBs the caliber of Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.


Title is misleading.

Nowhere in the article does it say that the Jets are concerned at all with Fitzy's ability to throw the deep ball.

Title should be: Brian Billick's concerns growing over Ryan Fitzpatrick inability to throw the deep ball.
 

BlindsideD'Brick

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It's amazing how Fitzpatrick goes from a great stopgap option for the Jets at 2-0 to "concerns over deep passes" and "how long is the leash?" articles after one loss. All this attention over three INT's, and at least one of them wasn't even his fault. (Marshall?)

Just so I don't get accused of being Fitzpatrick's brother or some othe apologist, like some fans are prone to accuse people of, let me just say I don't have any real interest in who plays QB, so long as they play above average. But this Fitz criticism is typical NY media/fan base knee jerk overreaction.

If Fitz plays well and the Jets win, nobody will be talking about deep balls anymore. Except the nitpickers.
 
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BigDan

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It's amazing how Fitzpatrick goes from a great stopgap option for the Jets at 2-0 to "concerns over deep passes" and "how long is the leash?" articles after one loss. All this attention over three INT's, and at least one of them wasn't even his fault. (Marshall?)

Just so I don't get accused of being Fitzpatrick's brother or some othe apologist, like some fans are prone to accuse people of, let me just say I don't have any real interest in who plays QB, so long as they play above average. But this Fitz criticism is typical NY media/fan base knee jerk overreaction.

If Fitz plays well and the Jets win, nobody will be talking about deep balls anymore. Except the nitpickers.


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flgreen

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It's amazing how Fitzpatrick goes from a great stopgap option for the Jets at 2-0 to "concerns over deep passes" and "how long is the leash?" articles after one loss. All this attention over three INT's, and at least one of them wasn't even his fault. (Marshall?)

Just so I don't get accused of being Fitzpatrick's brother or some othe apologist, like some fans are prone to accuse people of, let me just say I don't have any real interest in who plays QB, so long as they play above average. But this Fitz criticism is typical NY media/fan base knee jerk overreaction.

If Fitz plays well and the Jets win, nobody will be talking about deep balls anymore. Except the nitpickers.

I agree.

Actually 2 of them weren't his fault. The last one Winters let The DL roar in untouched, again. Marshall had a step on Maxwell deep over the middle. Fitz had to try to throw it.

Ball got tipped, rest is history.

Just the NYDN trying to get some crap going
 

lounap23

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It's amazing how Fitzpatrick goes from a great stopgap option for the Jets at 2-0 to "concerns over deep passes" and "how long is the leash?" articles after one loss. All this attention over three INT's, and at least one of them wasn't even his fault. (Marshall?)

Just so I don't get accused of being Fitzpatrick's brother or some othe apologist, like some fans are prone to accuse people of, let me just say I don't have any real interest in who plays QB, so long as they play above average. But this Fitz criticism is typical NY media/fan base knee jerk overreaction.

If Fitz plays well and the Jets win, nobody will be talking about deep balls anymore. Except the nitpickers.

what he ^ said!!!!!
 

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This isn't just a concern because of the Philly game

Fitzpatrick just does not, nor will ever, have the ability to throw deep. This hurts the offense in so many ways and by being able to bring a safety up into the box, it kills the running game.

The real problem is that there will be games that you will lose that a strong armed QB would be able to bring you back from. That is often the difference between playoffs and a .500 team, A real passer could have at least tied the game on Sunday, but Fitz UNDERTHREW most passes over 15yds

I want to go to some home playoff games before I die. Fitz will not get you there, especially in the Patriots division. The QB controversy will be back as soon as the bye week if not soon thereafter and all you guys are going to be yelling at each other again
 

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This isn't just a concern because of the Philly game

Fitzpatrick just does not, nor will ever, have the ability to throw deep. This hurts the offense in so many ways and by being able to bring a safety up into the box, it kills the running game.

The real problem is that there will be games that you will lose that a strong armed QB would be able to bring you back from. That is often the difference between playoffs and a .500 team, A real passer could have at least tied the game on Sunday, but Fitz UNDERTHREW most passes over 15yds

I want to go to some home playoff games before I die. Fitz will not get you there, especially in the Patriots division. The QB controversy will be back as soon as the bye week if not soon thereafter and all you guys are going to be yelling at each other again

He was the 2nd most accurate QB last year throwing the ball over 20 yards (balls that traveled 20+ in the air)
 

Jet Wangbone

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I think he's been underrated. The best quarterback on this team, and the best in some time around here. I think he'll be fine if he stays healthy behind the line.
 

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He was the 2nd most accurate QB last year throwing the ball over 20 yards (balls that traveled 20+ in the air)

and we all know how deceptive certain stats can be. We can argue a ton of things regarding Fitz, lack of arm strength is not one of them
 
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ucrenegade

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oh he can throw deep just fine, he can't throw the 15-20 yard out very good that is where his lack of arm comes into play but ask deandre hopkins or any other texas wr fitz can get it deep.

again like the one poster said just some media b.s trying to stir up trouble.

He can't throw it vick or favre deep but I would put his long ball up against the mannings anyday and no one says they can't throw deep.
 
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ucrenegade

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“He’s got to put it out there, and guys have to get open, too,” Bowles said. “It’s not just Ryan. They’ve got to run better routes and pass protect.”

this is the big issue marshall and decker and maybe smith yet to be dtermined that can do this good.

marshall and decker are great at it.

evans
enuwa
kerley

all suck ass at it
 

NYJETSDAN16

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I think coaching has to up their game as well. I know Fitz is a vet but he isn't the arrogant type (in which Geno excels at). He adheres to advice in order to become better.

As a QB coach, KEVIN PATULLO should focus more on having Fitz anticipate the long throws ahead of time as Penny used to do to compensate the lack of arm strength. All in all, i'am very pleased on what i have seen from Fitz. We all knew what Fitz has to offer. He isnt great but isnt bad either. He can win you games with the amount of talent he has here in NY. One thing is certain that we haven't seen in over 6 years, the team RESPECTS their QB.

Sure i'd love to have a franchise QB. But atleast we will be competing in the game and know what we will be getting from him at a consistent level. As opposed to Geno, in which the team, the fans, the coaches have no idea how he will show up (if he shows up at all) on game day.

Just my opinion, the worst thing for this '15 campaign is to insert Geno. The team has ZERO confidence in this fool.
 

BlindsideD'Brick

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But this Fitz criticism is typical NY media/fan base knee jerk overreaction.

As you were saying. The NY media IMO wants Fitz to fail so that they have a QB controversy to write about.

http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/ryan-fitzpatricks-a-bad-start-away-from-a-geno-controversy/[/QUOTE]

Where else in the country do you see the media creating its own QB controversy after one loss than NY?

They panic about the Jets, Giants, Mets, Yanks, and Knicks. And then when these teams win, they stroke them and pretend like they were never really concerned. I guess they just need something to write about. Like the paparazzi.
 

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As you were saying. The NY media IMO wants Fitz to fail so that they have a QB controversy to write about.

http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/ryan-fitzpatricks-a-bad-start-away-from-a-geno-controversy/

Where else in the country do you see the media creating its own QB controversy after one loss than NY?

They panic about the Jets, Giants, Mets, Yanks, and Knicks. And then when these teams win, they stroke them and pretend like they were never really concerned. I guess they just need something to write about. Like the paparazzi.[/QUOTE]

To your point, it was amazing how quickly Sandy Alderson went from John Idzik II to the best GM the Mets have had since Frank Cashen.
 
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BigDan

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Typical 'sensation' type journalism. Put up a lurid headline in large type to attract the reader's eyes, then fail to back it up.
Skip to the last paragraph to get the truth...but that wouldn't make for a good scandal, would it?
 

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Fitzy doesn't gun the ball in those mid range 15-20 yd passes , but is most accurate with the throws.
In the deep throws he threw on Sunday, no one was open or getting separation but I still like the throws. They need to continue that on offense. Players need to make plays, I.E. Marshall on the pass that went threw has hands. Yea, the ending was disappointing but it's not all on Fitz .
 
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Mainejet

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It's amazing how Fitzpatrick goes from a great stopgap option for the Jets at 2-0 to "concerns over deep passes" and "how long is the leash?" articles after one loss. All this attention over three INT's, and at least one of them wasn't even his fault. (Marshall?)

Just so I don't get accused of being Fitzpatrick's brother or some othe apologist, like some fans are prone to accuse people of, let me just say I don't have any real interest in who plays QB, so long as they play above average. But this Fitz criticism is typical NY media/fan base knee jerk overreaction.

If Fitz plays well and the Jets win, nobody will be talking about deep balls anymore. Except the nitpickers.

AGREED. I still really think Fitz played rather well against the Eagles. Two of the 3 picks he threw were just great plays by the defense aided by bad play of the offense. People are expecting things from Ryan Fitzpatrick that he isn't capable of doing. The minute people start to understand Ryan Fitzpatrick and what he is, they'll understand he did his part in the Eagles game. Ryan Fitzpatrick is at best a good second string player. He is NOT a starting QB. He's never had a winning record as a starter. If he does it this season? I'll be very happy, but he still isn't a guy that's going to take a team to the SB.

If you understand Ryan Fitzpatrick, what he can and can't do, then you know he played well last Sunday. The rest of the team let him down.
 
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dabigyear

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I think the league in general is trending towards tall physical receivers. The Edelmans and Welkers are becoming the outliers. Kerley is very short compared to the other receivers on the roster. It's very apparent when you see the games live.

Absolutely nothing has changed, the ability for a receiver to free himself from coverage is THE main ability of a receiver to catch footballs in this league. Edelman is a master at getting free, Amendola is also, Welker and Woodhead also had that ability.
Gronkowski is real tall, but his ability to break free of coverage down the seams is still his biggest asset. Get receivers that can do that and quarterbacks that can do that, period!!!!!
Down the seams and down the sidelines still gets you down the field faster than any other location.
Sorry for having to quote the Pats, but they're pretty good at this drill.
 
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