Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

[OCCH]

Jets WR Eric Decker has said on multiple occasions that he wants the team to re-sign Ryan Fitzpatrick, but he's also trying to be pragmatic. "All I can say is we have to move on without him right now because they are stuck where they are with the business decision, where they want to go with the money, who's going to break," Decker said today on SiriusXM NFL Radio. "But, again, we have a job to do and that's to be the best football team, field the best football team, of who we have in the locker room right now."

If the Jets don't sign Fitz, this locker room will be disgruntled. Decker and Marshall clearly do not want geno. Forte said Fitz being qb is the reason he signed.

Mac will have done disgruntled employees if this deal doesn't get done, which is why I think it happens.

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Marshall refused to take snaps with anyone but Geno last TC, so I'm not too worried about any "lines in the sand" he draws.

If we lose Fitz to incompetent management, then I guess these guys aren't the answer long-term. But if we lose him because Macc feels he has a better "big picture", I'd rather wait and see things pan out before assuming the worst . . .

 

[Elias]

NFL -- Eric Decker believes Ryan Fitzpatrick will return to the Jets, but it doesn't sound like he expects that to happen any time soon.
On Tuesday's edition of NFL Total Access, Rhett Lewis asked Decker if Fitzpatrick will be behind center when the Jets open the season against the Bengals in less than four months.

"I believe it's Fitzpatrick," Decker said. "Right now, it's a business and they're so far off in dollar amount but Ryan wants to be back, they want Ryan back. Something is going to happen. It might be before training camp, the day or two before, but I believe that he'll be back on the team come this fall."

Of course, this dance has gone on long enough to make you wonder if the two sides will ever get on the same page. Decker doesn't believe the Jets -- who appear to have one of the most difficult schedules in the AFC -- will need to adjust expectations if Fitzpatrick is one-and-done in Gotham.

"We have to set the bar high. And Geno (Smith) was progressing, he was doing a great job before the incident in the preseason and I think we have trust in him," Decker said. "We feel comfortable with the system. (Offensive coordinator) Chan Gailey always puts you in a situation to succeed and our defense is great so we know we have the capability to put those numbers up."

Decker also addressed a recent interview in which he said he was surprised New York selected Christian Hackenberg in the second round of the 2016 NFL Draft. Decker was in spin mode here, while still making the point that the Jets had plenty of needs when they grabbed the polarizing Penn State quarterback with their second pick.

"Seeing that we have certain needs and we go out and get a quarterback in the second round, that speaks volumes of what the organization thinks of him as a player, as a person," he said. "A quarterback is the position in the NFL and he's a guy obviously that has had some ups and downs in college, but he's got good stature, he throws the ball really well. I'm really excited to see him develop."

You have to feel for Decker, and really, any other prominent Jets player who gets peppered with quarterback questions at every offseason event that has a media presence. Fitzpatrick better hope he gets the raise he's looking for because he owes his teammates some steak dinners.

 

[mykcuz]

Let's be honest, we could get manning to unretire for 18 mill, Fitz is back for roughly 12.
Let's get this drama behind us and start practicing for a deep run.

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[TebowCan'tThrow]

Let's be honest, we could get manning to unretire for 18 mill, Fitz is back for roughly 12.
Let's get this drama behind us and start practicing for a deep run.

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And neither would be worth half of each of those numbers.

 

[jetgreen13]

And neither would be worth half of each of those numbers.

fitzpatrick coming off of 31-15 isn't worth 6 million next season??

i would suggest preparing for disappointment..

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

fitzpatrick coming off of 31-15 isn't worth 6 million next season??

i would suggest preparing for disappointment..

If he gets paid double what he made last year then he better win the games that matter and put up better numbers.

 

[jetgreen13]

If he gets paid double what he made last year then he better win the games that matter and put up better numbers.

short list: marshall, decker & petty love the guy & want him back & petty wants his job!!

IMO, mac ends up signing fitzpatrick for just north of ten million guaranteed..

money well spent if it happens in my book..

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

short list: marshall, decker & petty love the guy & want him back & petty wants his job!!

IMO, mac ends up signing fitzpatrick for just north of ten million guaranteed..

money well spent if it happens in my book..

$10M is max I would pay Fitz. Never has produced those numbers and you have to look at past years when paying Fitz especially. I like what Mac has done and not caved because Fitz has one team that would like him. It's sad that the Jets need him. I would even bump it to $12M for one year only.

 

[mykcuz]

$10M is max I would pay Fitz. Never has produced those numbers and you have to look at past years when paying Fitz especially. I like what Mac has done and not caved because Fitz has one team that would like him. It's sad that the Jets need him. I would even bump it to $12M for one year only.

You guys have to get past this mental block that you refuse to pay Fitz more than a backup, it's not realistic.

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[mykcuz]

If he gets paid double what he made last year then he better win the games that matter and put up better numbers.

You are joking right?
What does Flacco get paid?
What about Aaron Rodgers?
In the mid 20 mill, and do they won a super bowl every year? When was the lady time either played in a super bowl?

Bradford got 18, as did osweiler, and you want Fitz to get 6, only if he's clutch in the playoffs? Losing qbs with absolutely no guarantee they'll ever be above. 500

You're not in reality.

Put up better numbers!!!!!!!!!
He fucking broke all jet records last year!
He was 30td/15 int
How much better statistically are you expecting?
Well, if he wants 12 million, he better be a hall of famer?

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[TebowCan'tThrow]

Fitzpatrick Thread -- Talks have stalled

Fitzpatrick Thread -- Talks have stalled

You are joking right?
What does Flacco get paid?
What about Aaron Rodgers?
In the mid 20 mill, and do they won a super bowl every year? When was the lady time either played in a super bowl?

Bradford got 18, as did osweiler, and you want Fitz to get 6, only if he's clutch in the playoffs? Losing qbs with absolutely no guarantee they'll ever be above. 500

You're not in reality.

Put up better numbers!!!!!!!!!
He fucking broke all jet records last year!
He was 30td/15 int
How much better statistically are you expecting?
Well, if he wants 12 million, he better be a hall of famer?

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He broke all the Jets records?? He got lucky to come to a team with some of the worst QB's in the history of the NFL. His past has to be taken into consideration and the FO seems to agree. Also his market is zero. I know he will and never could put up those numbers again so I'm willing to go into season without him. I'm sorry that I don't want to watch and pay a perennial loser that has proven to never win a big game. IMO he cost himself millions when he choked in the 4th quarter. He will never have the perfect storm again with the easiest schedule I have seen in years plus the warmest winter NE temps the planet has ever seen. If he is the best we can get and we have to pay him more than Tom Brady, then I will pass and see what the younger guys have to offer.

 

[mykcuz]

He broke all the Jets records?? He got lucky to come to a team with some of the worst QB's in the history of the NFL. His past has to be taken into consideration and the FO seems to agree. Also his market is zero. I know he will and never could put up those numbers again so I'm willing to go into season without him. I'm sorry that I don't want to watch and pay a perennial loser that has proven to never win a big game. IMO he cost himself millions when he choked in the 4th quarter. He will never have the perfect storm again with the easiest schedule I have seen in years plus the warmest winter NE temps the planet has ever seen. If he is the best we can get and we have to pay him more than Tom Brady, then I will pass and see what the younger guys have to offer.

Ok, so now his success last year didn't happen, didn't count? Unbelievable.
Yes, geno could ever go 30/15,right?

Yes Fitz had no market, he had a unique situation here. There are factors that don't make him a risk worth taking to other teams. But a mutually beneficial relationship as the Jets qb, doesn't mean he sucks.

If Fitz is so replaceable, why didn't weer sign any of the cheaper vets who walked through the doors this year? Why did we offer Fitz 9, when we could have signed a vet for 4?

Fitz has pros and cons.
He has experience
He knows the system
He functions at a very high level in our system.
He's smart
He's been humbled
He's motivated
He's a leader
He's getting older, but still has about 4 years of play at his current level.
He plays a risky style of aggressive running.
He's not going to over take a game

Financially you look at young guys accomplishing nothing getting 18mill. Fitz is older, you're not getting a10 year franchise qb. But you're getting a motivational leader who you trust will have a winning record, and decent numbers. He's shown he can score.
So you need to balance the facts that he's successful here, but at a layer stage in his career, he puts up good numbers, but at 18 mill he's too risky considering he plays recklessly. That's a lot of money to be on Ir.

We don't have big money tied up at qb. We have young guys that are promising, but Fitz is a great hedge against them failing, and can hang around a couple years until those guys are ready, if need be.
Maybe Fitz continues at this pace
Maybe he's a good qb for a year until petty is ready
Maybe the young guys suck, and Fitz buys us more time to search for our qb of the future.

Either way, 12 is that happy middle point.

Please go watch that buffalo game again, your takeaway is amazingly off.

If we had an nfl caliber kicker, we win handily. Folk missing the second half of the year really put us in several tight games that shouldn't have been. And particularly in that game, we had no kicker, no rb, and the defense just had to guard 2wrs. And we still should have won. Just vomiting out stats about ints means you didn't understand what you were watching.

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[TebowCan'tThrow]

I just don't think we should pay $18M for at best an average QB with one good year in his career. I agree with some of your points though. If Mac doesn't think he deserves it then I'm all on board with him. I just hate being held hostage by a QB with well below average stats and a Chad Pennington arm. IMO, he is worth a one year deal at a split between what he made last year and what he wants which puts him close to what the Jets offered him.


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[SackExchange]

I just don't think we should pay $18M for at best an average QB with one good year in his career. I agree with some of your points though. If Mac doesn't think he deserves it then I'm all on board with him. I just hate being held hostage by a QB with well below average stats and a Chad Pennington arm. IMO, he is worth a one year deal at a split between what he made last year and what he wants which puts him close to what the Jets offered him.


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He's had more than one good year. His last season in Houston was good, as were his seasons in Buffalo with Chan.

And he had a 2:1 TD/INT ratio, was 11th in the league in TDs, 15th in yards. I';m not sure where the "below average" narrative comes from, but it's not true.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

He's had more than one good year. His last season in Houston was good, as were his seasons in Buffalo with Chan.

I think he was pretty average in Buffalo. None of this matters because we don't have the money to pay him much. His contract should be heavily incentive based as should every contract in the NFL.

 

[ucrenegade]

I think he was pretty average in Buffalo. None of this matters because we don't have the money to pay him much. His contract should be heavily incentive based as should every contract in the NFL.

I agree with this big-time and it should not only be NFL but every sport IMO.

 

[mykcuz]

He's had more than one good year. His last season in Houston was good, as were his seasons in Buffalo with Chan.

And he had a 2:1 TD/INT ratio, was 11th in the league in TDs, 15th in yards. I';m not sure where the "below average" narrative comes from, but it's not true.

He was good in Buffalo, he got an ego with his payday, and we'll never know what rabbit hole he went down, but he was an intelligent 20 something who just lit up the nfl and got paid. He did what most of us would do, enjoyed it.

He bounced around shitty teams with no talent because the damage was done.

By the time he learned his lesson and had some talent, he lit up Houston, until he broke his leg.

Last season wasn't a fluke, it was a continuation of the previous season.
Houston was looking for their qb of the future, and as it happens management thought another guy could do better. Mac knew exactly what he wanted. I feel we were pretty lucky to have mac, and considering our outlook last season when idzik was fired, things improved greatly.

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[jetgreen13]

He was good in Buffalo, he got an ego with his payday, and we'll never know what rabbit hole he went down, but he was an intelligent 20 something who just lit up the nfl and got paid. He did what most of us would do, enjoyed it.

He bounced around shitty teams with no talent because the damage was done.

By the time he learned his lesson and had some talent, he lit up Houston, until he broke his leg.

Last season wasn't a fluke, it was a continuation of the previous season.
Houston was looking for their qb of the future, and as it happens management thought another guy could do better. Mac knew exactly what he wanted. I feel we were pretty lucky to have mac, and considering our outlook last season when idzik was fired, things improved greatly.

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i completely agree.. fitzpatrick did play well in houston before breaking his leg & he kept a good thing going with us..

did having having marshall & decker help fitzpatrick's numbers?? of course they did.. but it damn sure didn't make fitzpatrick the leader of the team.. he did that all by himself.. everybody can't be a leader of men.. ask smith.....

but the idea (i've heard from some here & other places) that if smith kept the job, he could/would have put up similar/better numbers that fitzpatrick did last season is mind blowing to me..

& if neither petty or hackenberg are ready we turn things over to the village idiot?? meh, i'll believe it when i see it..

 

[ReallyBigfan]

Ok, so now his success last year didn't happen, didn't count? Unbelievable.
Yes, geno could ever go 30/15,right?

Yes Fitz had no market, he had a unique situation here. There are factors that don't make him a risk worth taking to other teams. But a mutually beneficial relationship as the Jets qb, doesn't mean he sucks.

If Fitz is so replaceable, why didn't weer sign any of the cheaper vets who walked through the doors this year? Why did we offer Fitz 9, when we could have signed a vet for 4?

Fitz has pros and cons.
He has experience
He knows the system
He functions at a very high level in our system.
He's smart
He's been humbled
He's motivated
He's a leader
He's getting older, but still has about 4 years of play at his current level.
He plays a risky style of aggressive running.
He's not going to over take a game

Financially you look at young guys accomplishing nothing getting 18mill. Fitz is older, you're not getting a10 year franchise qb. But you're getting a motivational leader who you trust will have a winning record, and decent numbers. He's shown he can score.
So you need to balance the facts that he's successful here, but at a layer stage in his career, he puts up good numbers, but at 18 mill he's too risky considering he plays recklessly. That's a lot of money to be on Ir.

We don't have big money tied up at qb. We have young guys that are promising, but Fitz is a great hedge against them failing, and can hang around a couple years until those guys are ready, if need be.
Maybe Fitz continues at this pace
Maybe he's a good qb for a year until petty is ready
Maybe the young guys suck, and Fitz buys us more time to search for our qb of the future.

Either way, 12 is that happy middle point.

Please go watch that buffalo game again, your takeaway is amazingly off.

If we had an nfl caliber kicker, we win handily. Folk missing the second half of the year really put us in several tight games that shouldn't have been. And particularly in that game, we had no kicker, no rb, and the defense just had to guard 2wrs. And we still should have won. Just vomiting out stats about ints means you didn't understand what you were watching.

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I'm okay with signing Fitz to a reasonable contract, but not more than $9-10 mil a season, I do not think he is worth more than that. Yes, he was 30/15, but there was a really good film analysis showing that he was lucky that it wasn't reversed (15/30), how he was saved from so many INTs by his exceptional receivers on some really bad passes that he threw, and how he benefited from a very soft schedule. While I am in favor of bringing him back, I am very concerned about a significant regression from him, especially given how difficult this season's schedule is projected to be compared to last.

And your Geno-hating is irrational, a complete double-standard. I love Petty, but everyone has emphasized and accepted how he unquestionably would need time to develop since he played in a spread offense in college, not a pro-style system at all. Guess what? Geno had the same situation, coming from a spread offense in college, but he was never given the time to develop in the pros, he was a starter from game 1 - but the haters never cut him any slack for that, never understand that he was thrust into the fire with no chance to sit and learn the pro game while playing behind an experienced QB, so of course he was going to make what appeared to be dumb mistakes. He had some terrible games but he also had some great games, even if the haters want to pretend that he didn't. Go back and look at his game against the Pats in October 2014 as a case in point. He gave the Jets a chance to win on the last play - thwarted by a blocked FG, but he gave them a chance against one of the best teams in the league and an intense rival. Over the last SIX weeks of the 2014 season his improvement was clear to see for any fair-minded person; he completed almost 66% of his passes, a dramatic improvement in his accuracy, and his QB rating over those last six weeks was top-ten in the league. Six weeks is not one flukey game, it is a significant stretch. And he capped it with the only perfect QB rating game by any QB during the 2014 season in the finale vs the Fins. And please stop with the blithering nonsense that the Dolphins didn't care about winning the game; they had a chance to finish at .500, they wanted to try to save their coach's job, and the Jets are a hated divisional rival. Of course they cared a great deal about winning the game, but Geno played a great game. So your insistence that Geno, working with far better weapons than he ever had before, and a great OC in Gailey, and coming off the best six game stretch of his young career, AND having an easier schedule than ever before, couldn't possibly have had as good a season as Fitzpatrick did in 2015, is based on pure hating, not reason.

Here is an article from CBS Sports (from last off-season) that supports what I am saying:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...hy-jets-are-smart-not-to-scrap-geno-smith-yet

Read the whole article, he brings very specific indications of Geno's improvements as an NFL QB, including working through his progressions, making adjustments based on what the defense shows, etc.

 

[mykcuz]

I'm okay with signing Fitz to a reasonable contract, but not more than $9-10 mil a season, I do not think he is worth more than that. Yes, he was 30/15, but there was a really good film analysis showing that he was lucky that it wasn't reversed (15/30), how he was saved from so many INTs by his exceptional receivers on some really bad passes that he threw, and how he benefited from a very soft schedule. While I am in favor of bringing him back, I am very concerned about a significant regression from him, especially given how difficult this season's schedule is projected to be compared to last.

And your Geno-hating is irrational, a complete double-standard. I love Petty, but everyone has emphasized and accepted how he unquestionably would need time to develop since he played in a spread offense in college, not a pro-style system at all. Guess what? Geno had the same situation, coming from a spread offense in college, but he was never given the time to develop in the pros, he was a starter from game 1 - but the haters never cut him any slack for that, never understand that he was thrust into the fire with no chance to sit and learn the pro game while playing behind an experienced QB, so of course he was going to make what appeared to be dumb mistakes. He had some terrible games but he also had some great games, even if the haters want to pretend that he didn't. Go back and look at his game against the Pats in October 2014 as a case in point. He gave the Jets a chance to win on the last play - thwarted by a blocked FG, but he gave them a chance against one of the best teams in the league and an intense rival. Over the last SIX weeks of the 2014 season his improvement was clear to see for any fair-minded person; he completed almost 66% of his passes, a dramatic improvement in his accuracy, and his QB rating over those last six weeks was top-ten in the league. Six weeks is not one flukey game, it is a significant stretch. And he capped it with the only perfect QB rating game by any QB during the 2014 season in the finale vs the Fins. And please stop with the blithering nonsense that the Dolphins didn't care about winning the game; they had a chance to finish at .500, they wanted to try to save their coach's job, and the Jets are a hated divisional rival. Of course they cared a great deal about winning the game, but Geno played a great game. So your insistence that Geno, working with far better weapons than he ever had before, and a great OC in Gailey, and coming off the best six game stretch of his young career, AND having an easier schedule than ever before, couldn't possibly have had as good a season as Fitzpatrick did in 2015, is based on pure hating, not reason.

Here is an article from CBS Sports (from last off-season) that supports what I am saying:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...hy-jets-are-smart-not-to-scrap-geno-smith-yet

Read the whole article, he brings very specific indications of Geno's improvements as an NFL QB, including working through his progressions, making adjustments based on what the defense shows, etc.

I guess we'll find out. I guess why we'll find out why the Jets offered a backup worth 4 mill, 9 mill. While having geno on the roster and having to carry 4qbs.

I guess we'll find out why geno didn't take over when Fitz had to play in a cast.

I guess we'll find out why geno's rookie contract is set to expire, and we haven't locked him up yet. Maybe we'll find out why not one team asked to trade for geno when other qbs were signing for 18 mill. Getting geno at 1 mill and a future franchise qb would have been a great deal.

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