Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

ReallyBigfan

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I guess we'll find out. I guess why we'll find out why the Jets offered a backup worth 4 mill, 9 mill. While having geno on the roster and having to carry 4qbs.

I guess we'll find out why geno didn't take over when Fitz had to play in a cast.

I guess we'll find out why geno's rookie contract is set to expire, and we haven't locked him up yet. Maybe we'll find out why not one team asked to trade for geno when other qbs were signing for 18 mill. Getting geno at 1 mill and a future franchise qb would have been a great deal.

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You make some fair points there and I am not saying - nor have I ever said - that I am sure that Geno is going to be a franchise QB. I am only saying that I genuinely believe that he showed enough signs of real improvement the second half of Year 2 that it would behoove the Jets to see whether the light might actually have gone on for him - especially now that he did have a year to sit and learn, and would have much better weapons and a much better OC than he had before. People seem so unreasonably certain that he can never be better than what he showed through his first two seasons, and I don't understand that thinking. To me, Fitzpatrick is a safer choice, which is why I support bringing him back for the right price (< $10M), but Geno has a vastly higher ceiling, especially with the ability to throw the deep ball.
 

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You make some fair points there and I am not saying - nor have I ever said - that I am sure that Geno is going to be a franchise QB. I am only saying that I genuinely believe that he showed enough signs of real improvement the second half of Year 2 that it would behoove the Jets to see whether the light might actually have gone on for him - especially now that he did have a year to sit and learn, and would have much better weapons and a much better OC than he had before. People seem so unreasonably certain that he can never be better than what he showed through his first two seasons, and I don't understand that thinking. To me, Fitzpatrick is a safer choice, which is why I support bringing him back for the right price (< $10M), but Geno has a vastly higher ceiling, especially with the ability to throw the deep ball.
It's fine that we have differing opinions. My opinion on geno is based on what I have seen him play from a talent, behavioral, and mental approach. Every off season we hear how he's the most amazing qb in training camp, and nothing close to that in a real game. So if anything changes, we as fans won't know until he sees game time. I wish him luck, and success. I just don't see anything in him beyond a yo-yo qb.

The Jets starting point in a negotiation was 9. You always assume some wiggle room in a final deal, and there are creative ways to get up to 12. My personal opinion is 12 is where everyone is happy. We can only wait and see.

But you know what, if the Jets had an ounce of trust in geno, that 9-12 would have been better spent in fact. Maybe retaining snacks, or getting a LT. And letting geno head the depth chart. These moves make me think the Jets think less of geno than you do.

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I think for the most part our great duo (don't get say that ofter as a Jets fan) helped Fitz get the numbers he had. I sat there all season long thinking they bailed him out on so many plays. I think the Jets know what he is capable of. He had a magical season in large part because of Decker and Marshall. If he played on the Browns easily the numbers would have been flipped. Its conceivable he could do it again, but its just as unlikely or more unlikely that he won't. I just don't want to overpay for a career average QB and I know the Jets don't want to either. As much as the vets would like Fitz back because they are in a win now mode this would be the perfect time to put in Petty or Hack. We will never have a better mix of talent and veteran leadership to help either of them out.
 

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You make some fair points there and I am not saying - nor have I ever said - that I am sure that Geno is going to be a franchise QB. I am only saying that I genuinely believe that he showed enough signs of real improvement the second half of Year 2 that it would behoove the Jets to see whether the light might actually have gone on for him - especially now that he did have a year to sit and learn, and would have much better weapons and a much better OC than he had before. People seem so unreasonably certain that he can never be better than what he showed through his first two seasons, and I don't understand that thinking. To me, Fitzpatrick is a safer choice, which is why I support bringing him back for the right price (< $10M), but Geno has a vastly higher ceiling, especially with the ability to throw the deep ball.
no, mykcuz made undeniable points..

if the jets felt anywhere close to the way you feel about smith they would have offered fitzpatrick a minimal raise & take it, or go kick rocks..

LOLz now that i really think about it, the jets wouldn't have made any offers to fitzpatrick because they have smith..

the jets new regime clearly has no use for the guy.. if they did they wouldn't have drafted both petty hackenberg.. & the rest of the league isn't/hasn't even offered a bag of rocks for smith..

seems "the haters" are in good company.....
 
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ReallyBigfan

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no, mykcuz made undeniable points..

if the jets felt anywhere close to the way you feel about smith they would have offered fitzpatrick a minimal raise & take it, or go kick rocks..

LOLz now that i really think about it, the jets wouldn't have made any offers to fitzpatrick because they have smith..

the jets new regime clearly has no use for the guy.. if they did they wouldn't have drafted both petty hackenberg.. & the rest of the league isn't/hasn't even offered a bag of rocks for smith..

seems "the haters" are in good company.....

Look, I said myself that Fitzpatrick is the safer choice, and he has undeniable leadership qualities that Geno has yet to demonstrate, so it makes sense that the Jets would like him back - at the right price. Having said that, though, if the Jets thought as little of Geno as you do, they'd have cut ties with him long ago. Since they have not, it is clear that they do see some value in him, hard though that may be for you to accept.
 

jetgreen13

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Look, I said myself that Fitzpatrick is the safer choice, and he has undeniable leadership qualities that Geno has yet to demonstrate, so it makes sense that the Jets would like him back - at the right price. Having said that, though, if the Jets thought as little of Geno as you do, they'd have cut ties with him long ago. Since they have not, it is clear that they do see some value in him, hard though that may be for you to accept.
just because the jets are content to keep smith through the last year of his rookie contract (to this point anyway) is not exactly a ringing endorsement.. neither was putting fitzpatrick back in just 10 days after surgery..

if/when the jets re-sign fitzpatrick & if petty is ready to be 2nd on the depth chart, let's see how much "value" the jets see in smith then..

since smith got punched in the mouth absolutely nothing has pointed to the jets wanting the guy to ever take another meaningful snap for them again..
 
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mykcuz

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Look, I said myself that Fitzpatrick is the safer choice, and he has undeniable leadership qualities that Geno has yet to demonstrate, so it makes sense that the Jets would like him back - at the right price. Having said that, though, if the Jets thought as little of Geno as you do, they'd have cut ties with him long ago. Since they have not, it is clear that they do see some value in him, hard though that may be for you to accept.
Yes our receivers are part of last year, it's a team. With geno to Decker we had 4 wins, did Marshall win 6 games for us?
So let's not be simple and lay all of the blame or success on one player. Fitz was on a shitty Houston team last year and played well, and had momentum.

We are in a position where the money to Fitz doesn't matter a lot, he's the best option, but mac isn't going to waste money by paying him Bradford money. Just because Philly is stupid, doesn't mean Fitz gets paid.

It's risk v reward. At 12 we aren't affecting future seasons, but are putting the team in the best position to win now.

The Jets did indeed keep geno this year. His 1 mill contract is fully guaranteed, so we pay him whether he rides the bench or his couch. Mac decided geno is worth keeping on the roster so far, for 1 mill.
Shit qbs like hoyer get 4 mill, so saying geno is worth his 1 mill guaranteed contract isn't a compliment.

Geno is here for one reason, leverage.
That's why he brushes past reporters all pissed off, he's a ghost. I don't hear his interview about how he's 1st on the depth chart and can't wait for this opportunity like Sanchez gave in Denver.

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Geno is here for one reason, leverage.
That's why he brushes past reporters all pissed off, he's a ghost. I don't hear his interview about how he's 1st on the depth chart and can't wait for this opportunity like Sanchez gave in Denver.

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I see both sides of this discussion (thankfully not an argument), but I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the above quote. Smith seemingly has always had this attitude that he appears like he is above his teammates, a loner or just misunderstood. I have no clue, but as much as I would've liked to see him succeed something is wrong personality-wise with him. When his complete opposite (Fitz) came in and performed, the team stuck to him like glue and now Smith is even more of an outcast.
 

mykcuz

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I see both sides of this discussion (thankfully not an argument), but I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the above quote. Smith seemingly has always had this attitude that he appears like he is above his teammates, a loner or just misunderstood. I have no clue, but as much as I would've liked to see him succeed something is wrong personality-wise with him. When his complete opposite (Fitz) came in and performed, the team stuck to him like glue and now Smith is even more of an outcast.
Just to confirm, you are correct, some of us watch the same game and see completely different things.
I have no anger towards opposing views and enjoy the discussion.

I have the added benefit of being right[emoji12]

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mykcuz

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Possibly. Fitz said he wants to be back with Jets and he is playing football next year. He knows Jets are his only option.
Maybe he's afraid they might pass a deadline, or maybe he's just super honest.

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jetgreen13

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Possibly. Fitz said he wants to be back with Jets and he is playing football next year. He knows Jets are his only option.
i believe he also said last season was the most fun he's ever had in the NFL..

this gets done but it does appear it will be mac terms as far as when it gets done..

i think flgreen hit the nail on the head about the signing fitzpatrick just before training camp.. thus allowing petty & hackenberg to get more/much needed reps in OTA's..
 
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