Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

[Old#15]

The Geno stuff would be irrelevant if only Bryce Petty had shown progress. Instead, this guy appears to be just a bad pick really? Geno Smith, for crying out loud, was able to be much better even in his rookie season Thhan Bryce Petty in one season and change. This is NOT a glowing endorsement of Bryce Petty.

The thing about Petty is that we have no clue where he is on the steep learning curve. Probably a good thing as far he is concerned, because he was not ready last year, and probably not this year either because of the college program he came from. We will get a chance to see him in preseason and camp to see how and if he has progressed. I suppose the only thing that may be a bit telling is the drafting of Hackenburg, but even that may be nothing more than a competent GM stacking chips. Which I agree with BTW.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

When Rex Ryan went 9-7, 11-5, 8-8, 6-10, 8-8, 4-12 does anyone remember who was on the schedule those seasons or just their record those years?
When Peyton Manning, while playing for the Colts, goes 13- 3 almost every year while playing in the AFC south and beating up on those softballs year after year getting his team basically 6 wins a season. In the record books does it state the weaker teams he always beat up on or is it just his stats.

Patriots 2015, 12-4:
They beat the Steelers, Bills, Jaguars, Cowboys, Colts, Dolphins, Redskins, Giants, Bills x2, Texans, Titans, Jets.
They lost to the Jets, Dolphins, Eagles & Broncos.
Jets 2015, 10-6:
They beat Browns, Colts, Dolphins x2, Redskins, Jaguars, Giants, Titans, Cowboys & Patriots.
They lost to Patriots, Raiders, Texans, Eagles & Bills x2. Minus the Browns for the Steelers and the Raiders for the Broncos and it's the same. Patriots went to the AFC championship. There was no * on the schedule they played.
Now I understand, being a lifelong Jet fan, about getting hopes up for the coming season. It is much easier on the mind to go in all gloom and doom with no expectations. That way, it wont hurt as much if they fail. It is much easier to predict that they will suck and hope you are proven wrong, no one will care because the Jets are winning. Though to discount achievements already accomplished, what's the point?
Nobody is going to go back on a coaches record for wins and losses, let's say Parcells, and cherry pick the bad teams he beat to discount his overall record.
This years schedule for the Jets is brutal, I get what you're saying but that is why you have to play the games. Who knows what young player might step up for the Jets and become that difference maker that makes the other teams scared to play the Jets.

Well said.

As long as Fitz is at the helm the Jets will be very competitive and shock many people vs these strong teams.

 

[Mainejet]

Well, I will also be interested in seeing him. I think pretty much the Jets fan base will be very interested because everyone wants Geno gone. There's no sense in carrying 4 QB's, all it is going to do is take away from another area of the team.

The thing about Petty is that we have no clue where he is on the steep learning curve. Probably a good thing as far he is concerned, because he was not ready last year, and probably not this year either because of the college program he came from. We will get a chance to see him in preseason and camp to see how and if he has progressed. I suppose the only thing that may be a bit telling is the drafting of Hackenburg, but even that may be nothing more than a competent GM stacking chips. Which I agree with BTW.

 

[Old#15]

Even if Fitz is signed I can't see Jets parting ways with Geno this year. Fitz can be a bit reckless and there is no way either Petty or Hackenburg are ready to play. Its kind of a crappy situation that we would have to either carry 4 or cut Petty or Hack, but Geno gives us the best option as Fitz's backup of the three young QBs. Maybe Petty or Hack really step up and prove me wrong in camp, but I think that is a long shot. This will be a very interesting summer camp and preseason.

 

[mykcuz]

I think the Jets have been obvious in showing no interest in giving geno an extension in a contract year. Therefore, baring a career year, geno's value to the Jets is that we don't have any better options this year. They aren't going to play him to help him develop, they would play the kids, they would play him in an attempt to win games this year. That means he is Fitzs backup, or the starter, until the season is lost.
Then, petty or hack start, and geno rides out the year.

The last scenario is geno having a great year and then we have to over pay for him next year, based on 1 career year. Sound familiar?

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[Elias]

Since we're on the QB topic ..

when you guys have achance, watch this vid on one of my favorite Jets QBs, Ray Lucas..

just wow!

Dan - thanks for sharing this video. Great video and very eye opening. Football is a tough sport. Hope they make it safer for everyone involved.

 

[soj]

This is some interesting reading... It argues that Fitz is just a cog - that is Marshall didn't make some spectacular catches and have a great year... Fitz would not have been as successful.

After reading this I feel like I got hosed in a three card monte game... Fitz by all accounts is mediocre, Geno is well Geno and who knows where the hell he is at now, Pettyand hack are not ready...


http://presnapreads.com/2016/03/28/chan-gailey-new-york-jets-dont-need-ryan-fitzpatrick/

 

[SackExchange]

Look beyond this year. Yes, the Jets are better this season with Fitz starting, although the playoffs would be a tough call with or without him.

Long term, though, with Petty and Hack as two developmental QBs, would anyone here rather they learned from the 10 year vet who graduated from Harvard and knows Gailey's system better than anyone not named Chan, or from the guy who got his jaw broken over $600?

 

[skop]

Look beyond this year. Yes, the Jets are better this season with Fitz starting, although the playoffs would be a tough call with or without him.

Long term, though, with Petty and Hack as two developmental QBs, would anyone here rather they learned from the 10 year vet who graduated from Harvard and knows Gailey's system better than anyone not named Chan, or from the guy who got his jaw broken over $600?

Wow, Sack...that sums it up in a really clear way. I am with you. .

It wasn't a slap at Fitz. It was a slap at what we've been forced to watch for seemingly decades, or at least the greater portion of most decades.

I am in the camp that thinks that Fitz is a lock to be on the Jets; they just haven't made it official. (a.) what a shame it would be to Jet Fans if he didn't come back. (b.) what a shame it would be for Hack if he wasn't able to prepare without him.

 

[Elias]

Look beyond this year. Yes, the Jets are better this season with Fitz starting, although the playoffs would be a tough call with or without him.

Long term, though, with Petty and Hack as two developmental QBs, would anyone here rather they learned from the 10 year vet who graduated from Harvard and knows Gailey's system better than anyone not named Chan, or from the guy who got his jaw broken over $600?

I'm with you. Everyone hoping that Geno can turn it around is a hopeless romantic. I've seen it way too many times. It rarely happens. Now Fitz is a true Cinderella story that I can get behind. He actually was a bottom feeder and has stepped up his play. Let's hope it continues for us for one more season. The team's morale will come crashing down if we do not sign Firz for at least one year. They are all saying the right things but I am sure many of them do not want a wasted season under any of the three younger guys.

 

[mykcuz]

Wow, Sack...that sums it up in a really clear way. I am with you. .

It wasn't a slap at Fitz. It was a slap at what we've been forced to watch for seemingly decades, or at least the greater portion of most decades.

I am in the camp that thinks that Fitz is a lock to be on the Jets; they just haven't made it official. (a.) what a shame it would be to Jet Fans if he didn't come back. (b.) what a shame it would be for Hack if he wasn't able to prepare without him.

Brandon Marshall reporting Fitz hasn't responded to him in weeks. He's unhappy with Fitz saying"the only thing that will make it better, is if he's says sorry man I've been out of the country."

I wonder if Fitz really had a number in his head that's worth the physical abuse.

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[skop]

Brandon Marshall reporting Fitz hasn't responded to him in weeks. He's unhappy with Fitz saying"the only thing that will make it better, is if he's says sorry man I've been out of the country."

I wonder if Fitz really had a number in his head that's worth the physical abuse.

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Well, that is not encouraging news. Then, again...it could be a ploy on Fitz's part to isolate himself from the team, because being in contact with Brandon & Decker might be seen as a negative to him receiving the most compensation possible, if it wasn't locked up.

really sad!

 

[SackExchange]

A report came out today that talks have broken off, with both sides entrenched.

This could be a while.

 

[mykcuz]

A report came out today that talks have broken off, with both sides entrenched.

This could be a while.

Interesting, we free up cap room, and they stop talking.

I'm concerned about Daron Lee as well, with his mom representing him who knows what will happen.

I'm really not a fan of the business side affecting the team activities. It bothers me that our team isn't together and building chemistry. With the new cba, team time is a commodity.

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[TebowCan'tThrow]

A report came out today that talks have broken off, with both sides entrenched.

This could be a while.

When do they just walk away. At some point you have to go with Geno and let the team rally around him. No way does Fitz live up to expectations the later he waits.


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[mykcuz]

When do they just walk away. At some point you have to go with Geno and let the team rally around him. No way does Fitz live up to expectations the later he waits.


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I would say, if there's no deal halfway through camp, it's dead. I doubt they will mix things up going into the pre season.

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[SackExchange]

I'd say before one of the first two preseason games. No deal by then, no deal at all.

The risk the Jets are running is another team losing a starting QB early in camp.

 

[jetgreen13]

I'd say before one of the first two preseason games. No deal by then, no deal at all.

The risk the Jets are running is another team losing a starting QB early in camp.

is anyone in position to offer fitzpatrick the kind of money supposedly the jets already have?? that would seem pretty unlikely less than two weeks before training camps starts..

 

[mykcuz]

is anyone in position to offer fitzpatrick the kind of money supposedly the jets already have?? that would seem pretty unlikely less than two weeks before training camps starts..

And a team replacing an injury wouldn't be interested in multiple years.

Fitz was interested in a1 year 12 mill deal though.

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[jetgreen13]

And a team replacing an injury wouldn't be interested in multiple years.

Fitz was interested in a1 year 12 mill deal though.

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absolutely understood.. but who's got 12 million in their back pocket (or is willing to free up that kind of money just before training camps open) just in case their starter goes down??