Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

BlindsideD'Brick

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Glennon is the living, breathing definition of JAG (Just Another Guy)

If he's the answer, whats the question?

I don't even want him for nothing, much less for a 3rd RD Pick.

Gotta disagree. I've watched Glennon and I like what I've seen. Good size, above average arm strength and has taken enough snaps under center to be capable of starting. The only reason he's not starting, IMO, is because the Bucs have fully invested in Jameis Winston.

He's not a franchise QB, but where are the Jets going to find that right now? Nowhere. I'd take Glennon over both Kaep and RG3.
 

ReallyBigfan

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For all those clamoring for the Jets to resign Fitz, please read the linked article in full detail. It makes a sober, detailed, thoroughly documented case that Ryan Fitzpatrick should not be viewed as a starting caliber NFL QB. And it uses last season to make the case, not earlier seasons from his career.

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There were certainly stretches last season where Fitz did a nice job for us, but we also lost some winnable games where he failed to make plays that were there to be made. I was on the fence about Fitz but that article crystallized my thoughts about him, and I do not see him as the solution. I think that Mac and the Jets are viewing him very accurately as well, which is why they are holding fast to their offer and refusing to overpay. Honestly, I know this will be hugely unpopular here, but I believe that if Geno had not gotten punched out by IK, then given the chance to play with the Jets improved receiving corp and overall offensive talent, and under Gailey's tutelage, he would have been at least as successful as Fitz was last season, and possibly more so.
 

NYJETSDAN16

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understood..

we strongly disagree on griffin though.. my posts (104 & 127) in this thread say as much.. if you care to read them i would be interested in your thoughts on both posts..

I read both posts. I agree with most of it especially the sprinting part, as RG3 has lost a step.
The kid was immature, but sometimes IMHO there are lessons in life that make you work harder to what you want in order to make you into a man. I feel Griffin was in a dream world and acted a kid who was placed on a pedestal. That was until Gruden came along and humbled the hell out of him.

He spent an entire year riding the pine. I'am more than sure he is as eager to play and prove people wrong that he is a different person ready to take the helm this time around and not relinquish it. If given the right atmosphere as Bowles has built in this locker room, he may be able to strive here.

Now, the contract should have incentives to preclude if he didn't mature or cant stay healthy. The Jets (or any other club must do so as they don't want to bind their financials on some one who might not be able to stay healthy). $5-$7 mil a year with incentives would be ideal.

Make no mistake, i'd rather have Fitzpatrick, but not at breaking the bank rate. Fitzy has to humble down and lower his demands to atleast a 3 year contract $21 mil deal $12 guaranteed.....again with incentives if he can replicate last years performance with lesser turnovers.
 

NYJETSDAN16

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I disagree, I think they got Sanchez to package to the 49ers for kap. He clearly knows a chip Kelly system.

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That didnt even cross my mind. Excellent post!! This most likely will occur.
 

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For all those clamoring for the Jets to resign Fitz, please read the linked article in full detail. It makes a sober, detailed, thoroughly documented case that Ryan Fitzpatrick should not be viewed as a starting caliber NFL QB. And it uses last season to make the case, not earlier seasons from his career.

Link

There were certainly stretches last season where Fitz did a nice job for us, but we also lost some winnable games where he failed to make plays that were there to be made. I was on the fence about Fitz but that article crystallized my thoughts about him, and I do not see him as the solution. I think that Mac and the Jets are viewing him very accurately as well, which is why they are holding fast to their offer and refusing to overpay. Honestly, I know this will be hugely unpopular here, but I believe that if Geno had not gotten punched out by IK, then given the chance to play with the Jets improved receiving corp and overall offensive talent, and under Gailey's tutelage, he would have been at least as successful as Fitz was last season, and possibly more so.

The author says he is not cherry picking, but he is. I am not a huge Fitz fan but would love to keep him as a back-up, as originally planned. I don't think he is anymore or less than a journeyman. There is nothing to be ashamed of for being an NFL journeyman, it simply means it is unlikely you ever lead your team to the promise land; and the promise land has always been the goal.
Now that he has had one decent season, IMO, many see him as a legit starter and I cannot agree with that notion. He is a very good 1-3 game manager if a starter goes down.
 

mykcuz

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For all those clamoring for the Jets to resign Fitz, please read the linked article in full detail. It makes a sober, detailed, thoroughly documented case that Ryan Fitzpatrick should not be viewed as a starting caliber NFL QB. And it uses last season to make the case, not earlier seasons from his career.

Link

There were certainly stretches last season where Fitz did a nice job for us, but we also lost some winnable games where he failed to make plays that were there to be made. I was on the fence about Fitz but that article crystallized my thoughts about him, and I do not see him as the solution. I think that Mac and the Jets are viewing him very accurately as well, which is why they are holding fast to their offer and refusing to overpay. Honestly, I know this will be hugely unpopular here, but I believe that if Geno had not gotten punched out by IK, then given the chance to play with the Jets improved receiving corp and overall offensive talent, and under Gailey's tutelage, he would have been at least as successful as Fitz was last season, and possibly more so.
Fitz came in with no camp time, a broken leg, 3 weeks of backup reps, and was thrust into the starting roll. He fired up every member of the team according to coaches and teammates.

Marshall had a quote today about never having a qb like him,and not believing the chemistry they developed.

Fitz is far from perfect, but I would love to see last year's offense continue to grow this season.

What basis do you have to believe geno would have been better? Any holes you poke in Fitz could also be poked in geno. Just because you have a feeling as a casual fan doesn't make it fact.

I agree with maccs tactic so far, it assures we will pay market price and Fitz will get a fair contract. He's a stop gap with a lot of upside.


At the end of the season, Brandon Marshall was convinced Ryan Fitzpatrick would re-sign with the New York Jets, saying, "He's definitely coming back."

He doesn't sound so sure anymore.

On Friday, Marshall spoke of his affinity for the free-agent quarterback, praising his intangibles. In doing so, he acknowledged for the first time that the thought of Fitzpatrick playing elsewhere has crept into his mind.

"The way we communicate, the way we practice together, the way we bring other guys together, I’ve never seen that anywhere else -- and I’ve been a lot of places and I’ve had a lot of quarterbacks,” Marshall said Friday on The Rich Eisen Show.

“That’s the toughest thing for me when I think about him potentially putting on another jersey," the Pro Bowl wide receiver said. "What we had and what we have is hard to create. It took us almost a year to do that; well, six months to do that. Most of the time, it takes guys a couple of years. We feel like we’re really close. We have a great defense. We have a consistent offense. We have great coaches. All we need to do now is continue to get more reps with the same guys.”


Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brandon Marshall developed a strong rapport in their first season together. AP Photo/Seth Wenig
Fitzpatrick remains unsigned, locked in a stalemate with the Jets. They're far apart in negotiations. The Jets, exploring contingency options, hosted free agent Robert Griffin III on a Friday/Saturday recruiting visit. "An interesting development," Marshall said of the RG III visit.

Marshall spoke glowingly of the Jets' biggest offseason addition, running back Matt Forte. He knows him well, as they played together for three seasons in Chicago.

“He’s the most underrated running back in the history of our game,” Marshall said. “Most people say the last eight years since he’s been in the league. In the history of football, he’s the most underrated running back ever, ever.”

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jetgreen13

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I read both posts. I agree with most of it especially the sprinting part, as RG3 has lost a step.
The kid was immature, but sometimes IMHO there are lessons in life that make you work harder to what you want in order to make you into a man. I feel Griffin was in a dream world and acted a kid who was placed on a pedestal. That was until Gruden came along and humbled the hell out of him.

He spent an entire year riding the pine. I'am more than sure he is as eager to play and prove people wrong that he is a different person ready to take the helm this time around and not relinquish it. If given the right atmosphere as Bowles has built in this locker room, he may be able to strive here.

Now, the contract should have incentives to preclude if he didn't mature or cant stay healthy. The Jets (or any other club must do so as they don't want to bind their financials on some one who might not be able to stay healthy). $5-$7 mil a year with incentives would be ideal.

Make no mistake, i'd rather have Fitzpatrick, but not at breaking the bank rate. Fitzy has to humble down and lower his demands to atleast a 3 year contract $21 mil deal $12 guaranteed.....again with incentives if he can replicate last years performance with lesser turnovers.
thanks for the feedback.. i'm still not in favor of signing griffin but you did make a strong case for why we should..

nice post..
 

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I disagree, I think they got Sanchez to package to the 49ers for kap. He clearly knows a chip Kelly system.

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If the 49ers wanted Sanchez, why wouldn't they deal with Philly directly? I've heard of three-way trades, but almost never a team trading for a guy so they can spin him to another team.
 

NYJETSDAN16

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thanks for the feedback.. i'm still not in favor of signing griffin but you did make a strong case for why we should..

nice post..

Thanks brother. Hopefully, Fitz can come back. I see more positives with Ryan re-signing than the unknown health of RG3.

To me, it's more of the stand point of Fitz's experience and what he can offer grooming Bryce Petty. That IMHO speaks more volumes than anything else. Everyone on the team respects the hell out of Fitz, thus helping Bryce with his tuteledge of the game can be an easier transition when year three comes along or if Petty is ready sooner.

I feel that part goes unnoticed many times in history,

Joe Montana to Steve Young

Chris Chandler to Steve McNair

Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers

Doug Flutie to Drew Brees

This is why personally i prefer Fitz back. Many might have a problem and arguing that he isn't a starting material QB. But what he brings to a young gun in learning & adjusting can not be over looked.
 

Bigmoe

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Joe Montana to Steve Young

Chris Chandler to Steve McNair

Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers

Doug Flutie to Drew Brees

I get your point , but IMO you really can't add
Ryan Fitzpatrick to Bryce Petty
In that group
Neither the teacher nor the student belongs in that class of QBs
You could make a list of starters and QBs that sat behind them that failed miserably
But again yes I get your point , just don't know if it's valid in this situation as much as we all hope and pray it is.
 

jetgreen13

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I get your point , but IMO you really can't add
Ryan Fitzpatrick to Bryce Petty
In that group
Neither the teacher nor the student belongs in that class of QBs
You could make a list of starters and QBs that sat behind them that failed miserably
But again yes I get your point , just don't know if it's valid in this situation as much as we all hope and pray it is.
petty hasn't taken a snap in a regular season game yet.....

come on Moe, let's at least wait & see who & what the kid is before labeling him..
 

Bigmoe

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petty hasn't taken a snap in a regular season game yet.....

come on Moe, let's at least wait & see who & what the kid is before labeling him..


I'm not labeling him anything
Do you really believe Bryce Petty belongs with the likes of

Steve Young

Steve McNair

Aaron Rodgers

Drew Brees

I know we're all looking for the next big Qb and I for one wanted Bryce to come to the Jets. Yes your correct ,he hasn't taken a snap yet we can compare him on that list? I don't think so.
 

jetgreen13

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I'm not labeling him anything
Do you really believe Bryce Petty belongs with the likes of

Steve Young

Steve McNair

Aaron Rodgers

Drew Brees

I know we're all looking for the next big Qb and I for one wanted Bryce to come to the Jets. Yes your correct ,he hasn't taken a snap yet we can compare him on that list? I don't think so.
i understand your point.. but for all we know petty might end up being better than anyone on that list, or a absolutely horrible NFL QB..

besides we're in agreement with Dan's premise & it's almost time someone gets introduced to "Lucille," so there is that.....
 

SackExchange

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I'm not labeling him anything
Do you really believe Bryce Petty belongs with the likes of

Steve Young

Steve McNair

Aaron Rodgers

Drew Brees

I know we're all looking for the next big Qb and I for one wanted Bryce to come to the Jets. Yes your correct ,he hasn't taken a snap yet we can compare him on that list? I don't think so.

We don't really know. Petty is almost in the same place Rodgers was after his first year. It is a big stretch to project anything either way with him.
 
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Broncos reluctant to pay price for Ryan Fitzpatrick, per sources

Broncos reluctant to pay price for Ryan Fitzpatrick, per sources

The Broncos have reached out to free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick's representatives, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter, though Denver currently is unwilling to pay the salary that the quarterback is seeking.

The preliminary talks come as the Broncos search for their next starting quarterback following Brock Osweiler's decision to sign with the Houston Texans and the retirement of Peyton Manning.

The Broncos and Fitzpatrick could revisit those talks down the line, but for now, Denver will monitor Fitzpatrick's situation while continuing its attempt to bring in another quarterback to compete with Mark Sanchez, sources said.

The Broncos traded for Sanchez on Friday, sending a conditional draft pick to the Philadelphia Eagles. Broncos executive vice president of football operations/general manager John Elway called that the "first step in our process" in a tweet.

Trevor Siemian is the other quarterback currently on the Broncos' roster.

Fitzpatrick, 33, threw for 3,905 yards with 31 touchdowns and 15 interceptions in 2015, his first season with the New York Jets. The Jets have been in a stalemate with Fitzpatrick and are nowhere close to an agreement, sources told Schefter.

The Jets met with Robert Griffin III over the weekend as the team considers other quarterback options, sources told Schefter. Although they have downplayed the visit as "due diligence" out of respect to their contract talks with Fitzpatrick, the Jets have legitimate interest in Griffin, sources said.
 

jetgreen13

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The Broncos have reached out to free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick's representatives, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter, though Denver currently is unwilling to pay the salary that the quarterback is seeking.

The preliminary talks come as the Broncos search for their next starting quarterback following Brock Osweiler's decision to sign with the Houston Texans and the retirement of Peyton Manning.

The Broncos and Fitzpatrick could revisit those talks down the line, but for now, Denver will monitor Fitzpatrick's situation while continuing its attempt to bring in another quarterback to compete with Mark Sanchez, sources said.

The Broncos traded for Sanchez on Friday, sending a conditional draft pick to the Philadelphia Eagles. Broncos executive vice president of football operations/general manager John Elway called that the "first step in our process" in a tweet.

Trevor Siemian is the other quarterback currently on the Broncos' roster.

Fitzpatrick, 33, threw for 3,905 yards with 31 touchdowns and 15 interceptions in 2015, his first season with the New York Jets. The Jets have been in a stalemate with Fitzpatrick and are nowhere close to an agreement, sources told Schefter.

The Jets met with Robert Griffin III over the weekend as the team considers other quarterback options, sources told Schefter. Although they have downplayed the visit as "due diligence" out of respect to their contract talks with Fitzpatrick, the Jets have legitimate interest in Griffin, sources said.
i really hope this is gamesmanship on the jets part.. we still have a self absorbed non leader at QB that the locker room has little to no respect for still on the roster.. but mac/bowles want to bring in another guy with the same damn resume??

i would be tremendously disappointed if we sign griffin.....
 

mykcuz

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If the 49ers wanted Sanchez, why wouldn't they deal with Philly directly? I've heard of three-way trades, but almost never a team trading for a guy so they can spin him to another team.
Because the 49ers aren't set on trading kap. But fir Elway, Sanchez is a win win. He can add qb depth and makes the Broncos less desperate in a trade discussion. It's the difference between having a legitimate backup vs having no qbs and trying to negotiate.

Also, Sanchez is a qb that Kelly is comfortable with, and should the 49ers trade kap, the Broncos could trump another team by offering a pick and a familiar qb.

You really think it's a coincidence that Denver is all in on chip Kelly's qb and the just traded for chip Kelly's former qb?

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i really hope this is gamesmanship on the jets part.. we still have a self absorbed non leader at QB that the locker room has little to no respect for still on the roster.. but mac/bowles want to bring in another guy with the same damn resume??

i would be tremendously disappointed if we sign griffin.....

I completely agree with you 13....

And going a little further into this situation, I personally believe the Jets should sit back down with Fitz and hammer out a deal. I think the Jets should up their offer. Articles have stated that the Jets have offered Fitz 7 million per, around backup money. I can see why Fitz would likely feel insulted by that. So I think the Jets should offer one of two things:

1) Offer more money. In the 9 to 11 million range based 100% on incentives. Individual and team incentives like a health bonus (Fitz plays all out and I can appreciate and respect that but what good is he if he gets injured?), in other words he needs to SLIDE more often. If the Jets make the playoffs he gets X amount for getting the team there.

2) Offer Fitz a one year contract for approximately that 7 million they are currently offering with the understanding that if he has another season like 2015 the Jets will sitback down with Jimmy Sexton, in good faith, and negotiate another one year contract with Fitz paying him much closer to that 15 million per he is asking.

The bottom line for me is that the Jets are being just as obstinate as Fitz is being. Both parties NEED each other and I truly believe that. It would be the ultimate shame if the Jets blow it on resigning Fitz or Fitz blows his opportunity to get a raise, get respect in NY, he can keep his family in one place, he can be the unquestioned LEADER of the offense and probably the team overall, and chase the playoffs and the SB, something he's never done before. There's just too many very good reasons for the Jets and Fitz to sit back down like adults and make something happen.
 

jetgreen13

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I completely agree with you 13....

And going a little further into this situation, I personally believe the Jets should sit back down with Fitz and hammer out a deal. I think the Jets should up their offer. Articles have stated that the Jets have offered Fitz 7 million per, around backup money. I can see why Fitz would likely feel insulted by that. So I think the Jets should offer one of two things:

1) Offer more money. In the 9 to 11 million range based 100% on incentives. Individual and team incentives like a health bonus (Fitz plays all out and I can appreciate and respect that but what good is he if he gets injured?), in other words he needs to SLIDE more often. If the Jets make the playoffs he gets X amount for getting the team there.

2) Offer Fitz a one year contract for approximately that 7 million they are currently offering with the understanding that if he has another season like 2015 the Jets will sitback down with Jimmy Sexton, in good faith, and negotiate another one year contract with Fitz paying him much closer to that 15 million per he is asking.

The bottom line for me is that the Jets are being just as obstinate as Fitz is being. Both parties NEED each other and I truly believe that. It would be the ultimate shame if the Jets blow it on resigning Fitz or Fitz blows his opportunity to get a raise, get respect in NY, he can keep his family in one place, he can be the unquestioned LEADER of the offense and probably the team overall, and chase the playoffs and the SB, something he's never done before. There's just too many very good reasons for the Jets and Fitz to sit back down like adults and make something happen.
i'm still optimistic we still end up re-signing fitzpatrick, because like you mentioned it makes sense for both sides, including letting his very young family have some stability as far as living arrangements goes.. hell, even the fitzpatrick boys seem like petty is like a big brother to them..

new york jets & team fitzpatrick, please get this done.....
 
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