Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

[OCCH]

Our vets want to win, they want a super bowl. We are lucky that we have assembled a team of guys who are hungry for a super bowl, and not content with being millionaires. And those players (Marshall, Decker, Mangold, Forte, colon, etc) want Fitz.
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To me this is the best argument out there -- put the best 22 players on the field and hope things fall your way.

Unfortunately it's not as simple when "your best 22" won't all be here in two years. That's why I want a team-friendly deal AT ALL COSTS. I don't want us outbidding ourselves by a few million just so we look better for September. EVERY decision needs to have long-term perspective -- we're just not good enough right now to think any other way . . .

 

[mykcuz]

To me this is the best argument out there -- put the best 22 players on the field and hope things fall your way.

Unfortunately it's not as simple when "your best 22" won't all be here in two years. That's why I want a team-friendly deal AT ALL COSTS. I don't want us outbidding ourselves by a few million just so we look better for September. EVERY decision needs to have long-term perspective -- we're just not good enough right now to think any other way . . .

Your team friendly logic confuses me. The team always want a friendly deal, and the player always wants a player friendly deal. We don't just get to sit here and say what Fitz is worth, a signed contract said what he's worth.
If we don't overpay him for 3 years, who cares what he makes this year?

If players are willing to restructure and take a cut to make room for Fitz this year, what do we care?

We know there's almost no chance of Revis getting extended, we know mac has all of the cash falling off the next 2 years. We are in a good place.

And honestly, if we extend Revis and he's the beat safety in football in 2019,I'm on with that.

If we pay Fitz 12 each of the next 3 years, and geno 1mil this year, and petty and hack 1 mill a year, that's under 15 mill at the qb position. We have everybody paid at 15-16. That's a good spot to be in for the qb position. What's Philly paying, 25 mill to qbs this year?

We're 10 mill under the league average at the qb position with 2 good projects, a young starter with 2 years experience, and a vet on a hot streak who gave us a great chance to win.
Who cares if we pay 4 qbs a total of 15 or 18 million? We keep our nucleus intact, we're built to win now, we're built to have insurance, and we're built for the future.

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[OCCH]

Your team friendly logic confuses me. The team always want a friendly deal, and the player always wants a player friendly deal. We don't just get to sit here and say what Fitz is worth, a signed contract said what he's worth.
If we don't overpay him for 3 years, who cares what he makes this year?

If players are willing to restructure and take a cut to make room for Fitz this year, what do we care?

We know there's almost no chance of Revis getting extended, we know mac has all of the cash falling off the next 2 years. We are in a good place.

And honestly, if we extend Revis and he's the beat safety in football in 2019,I'm on with that.

If we pay Fitz 12 each of the next 3 years, and geno 1mil this year, and petty and hack 1 mill a year, that's under 15 mill at the qb position. We have everybody paid at 15-16. That's a good spot to be in for the qb position. What's Philly paying, 25 mill to qbs this year?

We're 10 mill under the league average at the qb position with 2 good projects, a young starter with 2 years experience, and a vet on a hot streak who gave us a great chance to win.
Who cares if we pay 4 qbs a total of 15 or 18 million? We keep our nucleus intact, we're built to win now, we're built to have insurance, and we're built for the future.

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Everything you just said makes total sense. So any guesses as to why a deal wasn't worked out months ago? The only thought I have is Fitz wants more than we're willing to pay, which by definition is not a "team-friendly deal".

While I obviously don't know anything about you, your posts seem to imply that if you were GM you'd do whatever it took to get Fitz signed. If I were GM I'd tell Fitz what we're willing to pay and tell him to give us a call if/when he agrees to it. Thankfully neither one of us is GM, so we can sit back, see how the cards fall and then in hindsight praise/bash Macc for whatever happens . . .

 

[mykcuz]

Everything you just said makes total sense. So any guesses as to why a deal wasn't worked out months ago? The only thought I have is Fitz wants more than we're willing to pay, which by definition is not a "team-friendly deal".

While I obviously don't know anything about you, your posts seem to imply that if you were GM you'd do whatever it took to get Fitz signed. If I were GM I'd tell Fitz what we're willing to pay and tell him to give us a call if/when he agrees to it. Thankfully neither one of us is GM, so we can sit back, see how the cards fall and then in hindsight praise/bash Macc for whatever happens . . .

No, I don't want Fitz at any cost. I'm not qualified to determine what that price is. But the lunacy on this board by some is far off-base. I get it, since people can't break down what they are witnessing, but Fitz is not a bum. Paying him vet minimum is silly.

Based on what others get paid, Fitz s situation, and rumors on offers I can guess a range that common sense negotiations will lead. But people here claim he's not worth 4 mill, when mac already offered him 9. So obviously mac had a different opinion.

If mac likes Fitz at 9,and Fitz wants 16, I think 12 is a happy settling price for both sides.
Now if mac is not negotiating, and had said I'll give you 9 take it or leave it, and he means it, then Fitz either signs or becomes a backup elsewhere. Mac had incentive to not let this get out of hand and affect other future signings.

But there's things to negotiate, maybe 9 guaranteed changes to more cash but less guaranteed. Maybe incentives, there's plenty items to negotiate in the deal that we will never know. And there's plenty that can be played with to satisfy each party.

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[OCCH]

No, I don't want Fitz at any cost. I'm not qualified to determine what that price is. But the lunacy on this board by some is far off-base. I get it, since people can't break down what they are witnessing, but Fitz is not a bum. Paying him vet minimum is silly.

Based on what others get paid, Fitz s situation, and rumors on offers I can guess a range that common sense negotiations will lead. But people here claim he's not worth 4 mill, when mac already offered him 9. So obviously mac had a different opinion.

If mac likes Fitz at 9,and Fitz wants 16, I think 12 is a happy settling price for both sides.
Now if mac is not negotiating, and had said I'll give you 9 take it or leave it, and he means it, then Fitz either signs or becomes a backup elsewhere. Mac had incentive to not let this get out of hand and affect other future signings.

But there's things to negotiate, maybe 9 guaranteed changes to more cash but less guaranteed. Maybe incentives, there's plenty items to negotiate in the deal that we will never know. And there's plenty that can be played with to satisfy each party.

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I agree with almost all of this, with the only exception being agreeing to 12 simply because it's the middle ground of 9 and 16. That still feels like we're bidding against ourselves, which isn't good business sense (unless it's a number Macc was comfortable with all along).

In a perfect world I'm definitely on "Team Fitz". If/when he signs I'll be on here praising the move. I just won't be on here bashing anyone if we end up going our separate ways . . .

 

[mykcuz]

I agree with almost all of this, with the only exception being agreeing to 12 simply because it's the middle ground of 9 and 16. That still feels like we're bidding against ourselves, which isn't good business sense (unless it's a number Macc was comfortable with all along).

In a perfect world I'm definitely on "Team Fitz". If/when he signs I'll be on here praising the move. I just won't be on here bashing anyone if we end up going our separate ways . . .

Either 9 is a first offer or it's a last offer.
We don't and won't know until this is signed.
The Jets have a small prerogative to get this done sooner and let Fitz start building chemistry and teaching the young guys. That's not worth a lot of money, but it's a motivation to finish the deal.
Who knows Fitz and Marshall might have been running routes since the buffalo game, these guys go out on the town together as we've seen from the Rangers Gane and the golf outing.
Seeing petty next to Fitz is a very good thing, do fans realize how special that is? He's not under contract, and he's mentoring petty.

If I'm negotiating with you, I don't offer you 9 and say here's my first offer, let me know what you think. I act like I'll never budge, unless I'm motivated to budge.
So far both sides haven't been motivated to move. Maybe one side is bluffing, maybe both are. If it means a couple extra million to Fitz, what does he care if he misses otas?

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[mykcuz]

Speaking to the comment that Marshall and Decker made Fitz, the stats don't support that.

http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonmarshall/2495893/careerstats

Last year at 31,his first year as a jet, and with a new qb he had his best overall year. Not every Stat was a personal record, there are ups and downs, but it's the best year considering receptions, yardage, td, average.
He's had one qb most of his career, cutler. Who averages $18.1 million/year. Fitz made 3 last year.
http://www.nfl.com/player/ericdecker/497284/careerstats

Decker also had a near career year last year as the Jets number 2/slot. His career year with manning produced about 5%higher stats, on the greatest offense in recent memory, with a legend throwing to him.

Last year we had no number 3 receiver, no tight end, and an unreliable running game. Yes, Fitz had a great duo, but all 3 had career years together, with no help. Marshall had cutler, alshon Jeffrey, and Forte.
Decker had Peyton Manning, demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, etc.
Who has Fitz played with?

Is he perfect, no. But he's found a home, this locker room has fantastic chemistry, remember the Ryan days? Let's work out the numbers and see what these guys can do year 2.


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[mydogisajetsfan]

I think it comes down to backup plans. Fitz doesn't have a viable backup plan to be a starter. Either he takes what the Jets offer or he takes even less to be a backup somewhere. No backup plan there.

The Jets say they're comfortable going with Geno. Is that a bluff? Not sure but it's more plausible than Fitz's backup plan. And given Fitz's recent statement it's clear he's coming back and he's just trying to put the onus on Mac and get him up a bit. He's going to sign for $10mm plus incentives which, if he repeats last year, will get him up to $13-14mm.

 

[jets82]

Damn!

 

[soj]

A lot of good posts and talking points. My position is he has entered the market with a price point he and his agent believe to be fair compensation for his services. However, the market responded with one offer. Denver reportedly was interested at $5m but they have withdrawn their offer.

Let me repeat that, ONE (1) offer was made for his services and that was the Jets original offer reportedly between 7-8MM. Since that time it has also been reported that the Jets have increased their offer to $9MM and its remains the ONLY offer.

IMHO Fitzs is worth $9m but not the reported $15-16mm that he supposedly wants. I realize the value he has to the club and I appreciate what he brings to the table but I also watched him miss many opportunities in his reads, throw the ball into double coverage, lacked sufficient arm strength to stretch the field and run head first foolishly into tackles. Mac has correctly pegged his value and unfortunately it looks like plan “B” (Geno, Petty, etc.) will be executing the O.

 

[mykcuz]

A lot of good posts and talking points. My position is he has entered the market with a price point he and his agent believe to be fair compensation for his services. However, the market responded with one offer. Denver reportedly was interested at $5m but they have withdrawn their offer.

Let me repeat that, ONE (1) offer was made for his services and that was the Jets original offer reportedly between 7-8MM. Since that time it has also been reported that the Jets have increased their offer to $9MM and its remains the ONLY offer.

IMHO Fitzs is worth $9m but not the reported $15-16mm that he supposedly wants. I realize the value he has to the club and I appreciate what he brings to the table but I also watched him miss many opportunities in his reads, throw the ball into double coverage, lacked sufficient arm strength to stretch the field and run head first foolishly into tackles. Mac has correctly pegged his value and unfortunately it looks like plan “B” (Geno, Petty, etc.) will be executing the O.

I would just offer this, I don't think the Jets increased their offer, I believe the offer was incorrectly reported, then cimini reported it was actually worth north of 8 million, insinuating 9 or 10 area.
Everything in context, if you count Ryan's pay last year of 3 million and day 12 this year, that's equivalent to a 2 year contract at 7.5 per year. That's a fantastic price for a qb worth 30-15 numbers.

I'm really not worried, Fitz is coming back, the two will figure out the price.

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[mykcuz]

Last year was the first time I can remember not holding my breath on every play waiting for the letdown. I was watching waiting for the next big play. I'm excited to see this offense play intact wroth their new toys. If a kid blows us away, even better.

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[jetgreen13]

Last year was the first time I can remember not holding my breath on every play waiting for the letdown. I was watching waiting for the next big play. I'm excited to see this offense play intact wroth their new toys. If a kid blows us away, even better.

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LOLz it definitely was/will be a much more enjoyable way to watch our offence..

& i agree with you on the fitzpatrick deal eventually getting done.. simply makes way to much sense for for both sides..

it least it gives us something to speculate on during the dead zone of the off season..

oh & yes, if one of the kids blows us away, even better..

 

[jets82]

Damn!

 

[jetgreen13]

Damn!

LOLz hey 82, who's says one of the kids won't end up winning the job??

 

[jets82]

LOLz hey 82, who's says one of the kids won't end up winning the job??

Man I hope the hell so! Not saying I'm rooting for Geno to win it but I definitely am for Hack or Petty. Jets fans want to key on Fitz stats from last year like he was a savior. I disagree! We didn't make the playoffs and NO it wasn't all his fault but we all saw both Bills games where he sorta fell apart. Defense did also but the Bills didn't run away from either game. They kept it close, so a key throw here or there could have won it and got us in the playoffs but Fitz couldn't do it. Plus, you can look at it anyway you want and we can just agree to disagree but his stats last were mainly on Marshall, Decker, Powell and Ivory. There were so many throws they bailed him out of ints or incompletions, especially Marshall. So YES I believe any average competent QB could have given us the same numbers Fitz did with those weapons.

Now do we have competent average QBs is the question? I think we do but only time will tell and that includes Geno (QUESTION MARK on that seriously). Geno may not be as so many may think including me but let's not forget Geno was the starter until jawbreak gate. Why was that? Please don't say because Fitz wasn't ready to play and still injured because the jawbreak gate IF IM CORRECT was right before preseason game one and Fitz played in all the preseason games IF IM CORRECT. Then he was ready to go from game 1 until game 16. So how injured was he really? Listen, call me what you want or think what you want but Fitz IMO is a average competent QB at best. If we don't have that in Geno, Petty or Hack then we have a real HUGE problem.

Damn, Damn and Damn!

 

[mykcuz]

Man I hope the hell so! Not saying I'm rooting for Geno to win it but I definitely am for Hack or Petty. Jets fans want to key on Fitz stats from last year like he was a savior. I disagree! We didn't make the playoffs and NO it wasn't all his fault but we all saw both Bills games where he sorta fell apart. Defense did also but the Bills didn't run away from either game. They kept it close, so a key throw here or there could have won it and got us in the playoffs but Fitz couldn't do it. Plus, you can look at it anyway you want and we can just agree to disagree but his stats last were mainly on Marshall, Decker, Powell and Ivory. There were so many throws they bailed him out of ints or incompletions, especially Marshall. So YES I believe any average competent QB could have given us the same numbers Fitz did with those weapons.

Now do we have competent average QBs is the question? I think we do but only time will tell and that includes Geno (QUESTION MARK on that seriously). Geno may not be as so many may think including me but let's not forget Geno was the starter until jawbreak gate. Why was that? Please don't say because Fitz wasn't ready to play and still injured because the jawbreak gate IF IM CORRECT was right before preseason game one and Fitz played in all the preseason games IF IM CORRECT. Then he was ready to go from game 1 until game 16. So how injured was he really? Listen, call me what you want or think what you want but Fitz IMO is a average competent QB at best. If we don't have that in Geno, Petty or Hack then we have a real HUGE problem.

Damn, Damn and Damn!

Fitz missed camp never practiced with starters until geno was punched.

Please read my post above. If Fitz last year, was successful because of receivers, why did both receivers have career years?

Ivory was terrible last year after the first part of the season. Gailey started the year run focused, as ivory became injured, they transitioned to a passing offense.

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[skop]

I'm sorry, I'll just never get this logic.

I show stats that suggest/prove Fitz had a "decent" year, but because that shines in the annals of Jets history it suddenly becomes more impressive? And if it is more impressive, then doesn't that change the definition of "a deal that makes sense"? How are we (or anyone else in the league) not jumping at the chance to secure a guy with record-setting potential?

I know it sounds like I'm being sarcastic, but I'm not -- I just don't get it. Fitz is what he is, and I don't see the benefit of elevating him by comparing him to the garbage we've grown accustomed to.

I'll trust whatever Macc decides (for now), but I'll need some convincing if we end up outbidding ourselves for the guy's services . . .

Let's try not to forget that Fitz didn't drop a TD pass in his hands that probably would've sealed a win against NE in the first match up. Let's try not to forget that Fitz didn't elect to go for either first down or TD on three plays deep in BUFF redzone instead of three chip shot FG's that puts us up 4 instead of down 5...either game doesn't put us in a do or die in week 17. BTW, Fitz wasn't the one who couldn't get off the field on 3rd down in that game.

His season wasn't Marino's '84, Brady's '07, most of Manning's...but let's not sell it short either.

People make a lot of the fact that he only did what he did, bc of Brandon & Eric. That's the logic I don't get. When he has quality WR's who can change games, he became a double digit win QB...but as others have said, we know what we have with him. To me, that means a winning QB when he has a real team around him.

"is he the answer to a SB run?" I'd be willing to bet there have been more than a handful of QBs who have rings and didn't put 31-15, and 3900 in their SB winning seasons.

 

[jets82]

Fitz missed camp never practiced with starters until geno was punched.

Please read my post above. If Fitz last year, was successful because of receivers, why did both receivers have career years?

Ivory was terrible last year after the first part of the season. Gailey started the year run focused, as ivory became injured, they transitioned to a passing offense.

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That was something I didn't realize or forgot so thanks for enlightening me on that. As far as the career year numbers, BMarsh has put up excellent numbers with multiple teams and QBs so I believe that eliminates his career stats argument. As far as Decker, I didn't realize his numbers were career stats. I would of thought he did that with Manning in Denver but I guess not. So I will give you that. As for Ivory his catching numbers weren't great but running numbers atleast for the first half of the season was stella which helped Fitz IMO. Powell came on strong in the second half catching and running. I know all QBs need weapons to make their numbers but some QBs make there weapons better and some QBs weapons make them better. We can disagree here but IMOO Fitz weapons made him better. Significantly better in fact!

 

[mykcuz]

That was something I didn't realize or forgot so thanks for enlightening me on that. As far as the career year numbers, BMarsh has put up excellent numbers with multiple teams and QBs so I believe that eliminates his career stats argument. As far as Decker, I didn't realize his numbers were career stats. I would of thought he did that with Manning in Denver but I guess not. So I will give you that. As for Ivory his catching numbers weren't great but running numbers atleast for the first half of the season was stella which helped Fitz IMO. Powell came on strong in the second half catching and running. I know all QBs need weapons to make their numbers but some QBs make there weapons better and some QBs weapons make them better. We can disagree here but IMOO Fitz weapons made him better. Significantly better in fact!

Both Marshall and Decker had their best years last season. Each had one comparable season, making this the best or toed for best year based on how you argue the case. Essentially their best year before last season was close, maybe 10 less receptions but one more td,that kind of thing. I think Marshall tired for career high in tds.

Decker was better last year as our slot, than under manning in their amazing season which they lost to Seattle in the nj super bowl. That was the best offensive year since Brady to moss, and Decker had equal or better numbers here last year. So no, that argument is not out if the window.

If Marshall and Decker spent all year saving Fitz, how did they rack up career years?

I think you aren't giving fair credit. They are a team that functions very well together, they compliment each other. Fitz, Marshall, and Decker, are on the same page, in an offense that maximizes their strengths. Do they make each other better, yes, is the team winning in spite of Fitz, no.

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