Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

[mykcuz]

Listen, this team is a win now team. We have 2 years, maybe a 3rd, to win a super bowl. Fitz gives us the best chance to make a run.
In 3 years, Fitz, Marshall, Decker, Forte, Mangold, Revis, Harris will be gone. Our core youth will be entering their prime, and other draft picks and fas will take over. It will be a drastically different team. Get Fitz on the field, stay practicing, let's see where this team can go.

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[mykcuz]

[MENTION=109]skop[/MENTION]ko is referring to Rich Gannon and he is spot on. 1999-2004. From 99-'04, the guy had years he had never experienced in up to that point 11 years in the league.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Gannon).

Sure there were fans in Oakland who wanted to see a younger QB at the helm within those years, especially Marquise Tuiasosopo. Though some regimes know what it best for the organization. They will never make the fans choose for them. Polls are meaningless. Jets fans choosing Geno over Fitz ? C'mon now, Mac and Bowles would be out of jobs just like the predecessors.

I feel Macagnans plan is to continue to build towards the future with leadership to learn from. Something the Raiders didnt do with Gannon. They put all their eggs in a QB that after his short success, there was nothing to follow. Mac is following the path of the select front offices who know that the limited time they have with a QB should continue with their heir such as:
*San francisco, (Montana/Young)
*Green Bay (Favre/Rodgers),
*Chargers (Brees/Rivers)
*Steelers (Maddox/Roethlisberger)
*Patriots (Beldsoe/Brady)
*Patriots (Brady/Garroppolo ??)

Mike Macagnan knows where this team would be if Geno Smith is at the helm here with Marshall, Decker, Forte, Amaro and whom ever stud has the potential to break out either in Devin Smith of CHerone Peake: it would be wasting Woody Johnsons money in watching a mediocre product. Geno is a Tony Banks, David Klingler and Andre Ware clone. He is a below average serviceable back up QB. Talented physique wise, absolutely, though between the ears, it unfortunately doesn't click. Ask youselves, why would Woody want to place this sort of investment in the hands of a player who just never seems to seize his moments?

Gannon led Oakland to a super bowl they could have won. Failing to have an heir doesn't change that fact. You don't sacrifice the opportunity to win the SB because you would like an heir.

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[mykcuz]

listen I am fine with them not showing up for voluntary workouts but when they go to the media and state they are sitting out on behalf of Fitz not getting his contract is another thing... or don't you remember the media circus when Rex Ryan was here...

they chose to express their feelings publicly hoping that would sway the front office into giving in to Fitzpatrick, that was uncalled for and as two veterans as they are they should know better...

do I care if either is on the team, no I don't... Marshall had some humdinger plays last season and Decker is a walking time bomb waiting to be back on the sideline with another injury... it is the other players that must step up regardless whomever is under center, that be Fitz, Geno or Petty...

and no I am not making ideal threats, just certain things need to stop and the union will always stick up for the players even when they are dead wrong in any situation because that is their jobs...

I disagree, I'm glad we have a core this close. It's a great sign to see this camraderie. This isn't a circus, they aren't blasting management, this is one contract, one player. They aren't making a mockery, they aren't putting us in the press for negative reasons, they are supporting a teammate.

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[OCCH]

Unlikely, because Marshall gave an interview in the NYP a few weeks ago in which he declared that he was very proud of Geno and Bryce Petty for how much they have grown in the past year, and that he was confident that the Jets could win with either of them - notwithstanding the fact that he still would prefer to see Fitzpatrick back in the fold. He has made other positive statements about how Geno grew from last year's punch-out and how hard he has worked and how well he has handled things since then. I think that Decker & Marshall campaigning on Fitzpatrick's behalf is more about his leadership than about his physical abilities as a QB. Fitzpatrick clearly has tremendous leadership qualities and he became the undeniable leader of the Jets last year, and that makes him important to the team beyond just the success he had last season with his two top receivers. Let me present that another way: if Fitzpatrick resigns and then gets injured and Geno becomes the starting QB, Fitzpatrick's presence on the team would still be a huge positive for what he brings to the locker room, and as an example for Geno (and the other young QBs) to emulate with regard to how he carries himself both on and off the field. It's pretty clear from Marshall's various statements that for him, being pro-Fitzpatrick is not intended as any kind of negative reflection on the other QBs.

We can put all the spin on the situation we want, it doesn't change the fact that boycotting OTAs = missed opportunity to help rebuild Geno's psyche (which HAS to be fragile at best right now). Do we think Fitz is equally as fragile? That he "needed" teammates to rush to his side and prove how much they cherish his presence?

If it's already established that Geno's days are numbered, then who cares. But until Fitz signs on the dotted line I have no choice but to view Geno as our starter, and as such I would have preferred his WRs show him REAL support instead of words that their actions prove are worthless . . .

 

[mykcuz]

We can put all the spin on the situation we want, it doesn't change the fact that boycotting OTAs = missed opportunity to help rebuild Geno's psyche (which HAS to be fragile at best right now). Do we think Fitz is equally as fragile? That he "needed" teammates to rush to his side and prove how much they cherish his presence?

If it's already established that Geno's days are numbered, then who cares. But until Fitz signs on the dotted line I have no choice but to view Geno as our starter, and as such I would have preferred his WRs show him REAL support instead of words that their actions prove are worthless . . .

It sounds like everyone considers Fitz the starter, it's just about numbers at this point. To me it's almost a non story, the older guys know the system and don't want to unnecessarily risk injury. The young guys get badly needed reps. 3 otas later, and now everyone is in camp.

Honestly, if we're building a winner, we shouldn't waste our time coddling a qb who needs to be babied. The qb needs to be a confident leader, something geno had never shown. We can spend all of this time building up his psyche, but when we're facing adversity in the playoffs, that toughness needs to be builtin. Geno won't have time in the 3rd quarter of the super bowl to put on a positive thinking dvd.

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[mykcuz]

If this admin thinks geno is our future, they have set themselves up to overpay for him as afa next year.

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[Green Jets & Ham]

If this admin thinks geno is our future, they have set themselves up to overpay for him as a fa next year.

I don't think they view Geno as the future, thats why they drafted Petty and Hack. However I do think they view Geno as an adequate placeholder, just to give them more time to groom Petty and Hack. Thats how I see it, which is why I wouldn't overpay Fitz or give him multiple years, which would only block the young QB's we drafted.

Ideally we can bring Fitz back at a reasonable number, with only one year guaranteed, then move to Petty or Hack next year. If he won't come back for one year, then I would let Geno hold down the fort for one year.

 

[hobson54]

manure mehta trying to stir the pot... :global (7):

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...ource=twitter.com&utm_campaign=mmehta+twitter

 

[skop]

Gannon led Oakland to a super bowl they could have won. Failing to have an heir doesn't change that fact. You don't sacrifice the opportunity to win the SB because you would like an heir.

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...and I think the Jets offering Fitz what they did, and drafting two guys to develop not only sets them up for winning now, but also for the future. IMO, Hack is the one they are truly looking at as the heir. Had Bill O'Brien not left for the Texans, we wouldn't have a shot at Hack in the second round this year. he would've been the #1 QB taken. I think his misfortune of losing O'Brien was our good fortune, bc he is still the same guy as the Frosh with all of the accolades.

I like the direction of this team.

 

[mykcuz]

manure mehta trying to stir the pot... :global (7):

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...ource=twitter.com&utm_campaign=mmehta+twitter

He's clearly pro Fitz, but he does make some good points.

Are the Jets willing to lose out this year just to low ball the guy they declared the undisputed starter, next year?

If Fitz is good enough to stay this year, his contract should reflect a returning starters contract next year. Incentives are fine as long as they reflect a fair position for both. If you think Fitz should earn half next year, then why even offer any deal? If you're afraid he'll fail, then offer a second year increase that reflects a qb you want back, and make Fitz earn it. If the team males the playoffs and Fitz starts x amount of games, he gets an small increase the following year.

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[mykcuz]

...and I think the Jets offering Fitz what they did, and drafting two guys to develop not only sets them up for winning now, but also for the future. IMO, Hack is the one they are truly looking at as the heir. Had Bill O'Brien not left for the Texans, we wouldn't have a shot at Hack in the second round this year. he would've been the #1 QB taken. I think his misfortune of losing O'Brien was our good fortune, bc he is still the same guy as the Frosh with all of the accolades.

I like the direction of this team.

If that's the case, nothing makes sense. If you want to train hack, being third or fourth on the depths chart means he gets no reps. Gailey says he needs 1000 reps to break habits.

That would mean their best case scenario is petty next year starting, Fitz the backup, and hack still 3rd with no reps. Meaning they would anoint petty, then take the starting job away from him and give it to hack, or they anticipate petty failing, in which case, why is he here, why is Fitz getting backup money next year in the Jets offer?

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[BlindsideD'Brick]

He's clearly pro Fitz, but he does make some good points.

Are the Jets willing to lose out this year just to low ball the guy they declared the undisputed starter, next year?

If Fitz is good enough to stay this year, his contract should reflect a returning starters contract next year. Incentives are fine as long as they reflect a fair position for both. If you think Fitz should earn half next year, then why even offer any deal? If you're afraid he'll fail, then offer a second year increase that reflects a qb you want back, and make Fitz earn it. If the team males the playoffs and Fitz starts x amount of games, he gets an small increase the following year.

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Are the Jets paying Fitzpatrick for last year's stats, or a combination of his 2015 performance and his overall production? In other words, are we certain that we're getting the Fitz of last year?

I'm not arguing against re-signing him, as I realize he probably will give us the best chance at the playoffs. But I can also certainly understand the team's stance that they're not going to break the bank on a guy who isn't a franchise QB. Manish Mehta is dead wrong in this article. But then, I wouldn't expect anything less from him.

 

[mykcuz]

Are the Jets paying Fitzpatrick for last year's stats, or a combination of his 2015 performance and his overall production? In other words, are we certain that we're getting the Fitz of last year?

I'm not arguing against re-signing him, as I realize he probably will give us the best chance at the playoffs. But I can also certainly understand the team's stance that they're not going to break the bank on a guy who isn't a franchise QB. Manish Mehta is dead wrong in this article. But then, I wouldn't expect anything less from him.

Well if the Jets are willing to pay him 12 this year, why would they pay him half the following year?

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[hobson54]

He's clearly pro Fitz, but he does make some good points.

Are the Jets willing to lose out this year just to low ball the guy they declared the undisputed starter, next year?

If Fitz is good enough to stay this year, his contract should reflect a returning starters contract next year. Incentives are fine as long as they reflect a fair position for both. If you think Fitz should earn half next year, then why even offer any deal? If you're afraid he'll fail, then offer a second year increase that reflects a qb you want back, and make Fitz earn it. If the team males the playoffs and Fitz starts x amount of games, he gets an small increase the following year.

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personally, i agree with the argument that they should offer fitz more money in years 2 and 3 of the deal. call it 3/$36MM with something like $12-15MM guaranteed.. i wouldn't guarantee much (if any) in those later years, but i agree that offering something like $12MM, $6MM, $6MM with unobtainable incentives isn't necessarily a solution.

where i accuse mehta of stirring the pot is (i) him laughing off even $12MM as a ripoff to fitz, and (ii) him speculating that fitz may consider going elsewhere for less money and no opportunity to start in order to "spite" the jets.

that's just more of the usual rubbish from mehta.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Well if the Jets are willing to pay him 12 this year, why would they pay him half the following year?

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Maybe because the team feels there's a chance either Hackenberg or Petty will be ready in 2017. If that happens, you've now got 12 million invested in a backup QB.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Gannon led Oakland to a super bowl they could have won. Failing to have an heir doesn't change that fact. You don't sacrifice the opportunity to win the SB because you would like an heir.

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We're on the same wave length of win now. Though what i was stating was that a smart move would have been for Oakland to draft a couple of young guns to learn under Gannon as Macagnan has done. Reason being, once Fitz is done with, you'll be left as a cellar dwellar for years to come as Oakland proved to be post Gannon if Mac took that same approach. Which he has not. He wants his product to have success for the long haul, not just the present.

All i'am saying its a great scenario to have a couple of prodigies sit back and learn the nuances of the game from an experienced QB who knows the system inside out.

 

[SackExchange]

Trouble is, 3 years is also a dumbass move. Should have given him a 1-year deal, $6M (with incentives). Period.

He hasn't taken $12 million, nor should he. $6 million for the season he just gave is an absolute insult to him.

 

[mykcuz]

We're on the same wave length of win now. Though what i was stating was that a smart move would have been for Oakland to draft a couple of young guns to learn under Gannon as Macagnan has done. Reason being, once Fitz is done with, you'll be left as a cellar dwellar for years to come as Oakland proved to be post Gannon if Mac took that same approach. Which he has not. He wants his product to have success for the long haul, not just the present.

All i'am saying its a great scenario to have a couple of prodigies sit back and learn the nuances of the game from an experienced QB who knows the system inside out.

The Jets did draft for the future, it was Pennington. We are at a reality now, that trading up to take the best qb in any given year will cost you several first rounders and second rounders. So we have been plagued by mediocrity. If you're not in the top 3 draft spots, you need a qb to be worth 3 first rounders. That's hard, and you screw the team for years if you're wrong.
So, except for Sanchez who played like 10 college games, we have been drafting with our 1st pick, and not reaching on qbs. I believe if Peyton Manning was in this draft class, Mac would pull the trigger.

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[TebowCan'tThrow]

He hasn't taken $12 million, nor should he. $6 million for the season he just gave is an absolute insult to him.

The market says different. Just because Fitz thinks he is worth more doesn't make it true.

 

[jetgreen13]

The market says different. Just because Fitz thinks he is worth more doesn't make it true.

the market for fitzpatrick will be set when he eventually/inevitably re-signs.....

LOLz at least we have something to talk about until training camp..