Jets’ Defense Cannot Make Up For Lack Of Elite Quarterback

[Old#15]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you UCG or FLG, but I think you also have to take into consideration the effect that Gailey has had on the OL performance. One of the things I was reading about when Gailey was hired was that his offense is predicated on getting the ball out of the QBs hand quickly vs MM's offense which slowed the QB down in that regard. I don't pretend to be an expert in such things, but that may have something to do with the OL's improved protection. I'm also not denying the fact that Fitz is a very smart guy and a seasoned vet with a couple years experience in Gailey's system. Having said all of that, I'm completely on board with Fitz and hope he is our guy for at least the rest of the year. Geno and Petty will do nothing but benefit from their time watching, although it may be too late for Smith at least with this regime.

 

[flgreen]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you UCG or FLG, but I think you also have to take into consideration the effect that Gailey has had on the OL performance. One of the things I was reading about when Gailey was hired was that his offense is predicated on getting the ball out of the QBs hand quickly vs MM's offense which slowed the QB down in that regard. I don't pretend to be an expert in such things, but that may have something to do with the OL's improved protection. I'm also not denying the fact that Fitz is a very smart guy and a seasoned vet with a couple years experience in Gailey's system. Having said all of that, I'm completely on board with Fitz and hope he is our guy for at least the rest of the year. Geno and Petty will do nothing but benefit from their time watching, although it may be too late for Smith at least with this regime.

No real argument from me here.

 

[jetgreen13]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you UCG or FLG, but I think you also have to take into consideration the effect that Gailey has had on the OL performance. One of the things I was reading about when Gailey was hired was that his offense is predicated on getting the ball out of the QBs hand quickly vs MM's offense which slowed the QB down in that regard. I don't pretend to be an expert in such things, but that may have something to do with the OL's improved protection. I'm also not denying the fact that Fitz is a very smart guy and a seasoned vet with a couple years experience in Gailey's system. Having said all of that, I'm completely on board with Fitz and hope he is our guy for at least the rest of the year. Geno and Petty will do nothing but benefit from their time watching, although it may be too late for Smith at least with this regime.

i thought it was very telling that coach bolwes & mac let smith speak freely to the media after getting his jaw broken..

they certainly know smith is not the brightest guy in the world & is subject to say the wrong things.. like (paraphrasing) "i don't regret anything" & "i don't believe i did anything wrong" quotes..

i honestly believe they let him speak unscripted to see if he learned something/anything (with over a month to think about what to say BTW) from getting rocked by a guy who's just trying to stay in the league..

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

It's so fashionable to insist that Geno is a garbage QB that I am sure that I will be pilloried for saying this, but I would rather have Geno out there now than Fitzpatrick. Fitz is a good guy, and a good enough QB to beat the mediocre teams, especially with the D that we have. But I don't believe that he is good enough to beat quality defenses, and frankly, he left a lot of points on the field against Miami with his inaccurate passing and weakness in the deep throws (the first completion to Marshall should have been a TD but it was underthrown). I fear that with Fitz at QB, the Jets won't reap the deep route benefits that Devin Smith can offer them. Now Geno was having a great camp by all accounts. He had two very good games against the Patriots last season, one of the best defenses in the league, and he gave the Jets a chance to win both of those games. Over the last four weeks of last season, his QBR was in the top five of all QBs in the league. Now it is true that the season was already lost by then, but I saw a QB who was doing a much better job of reading the D and making good decisions. I think we need to know if that Geno might even show up in meaningful games this year, in which case, with his arm strength and his legs, the Jets could have a chance at beating any team, even those with top defenses.

Okay, let the name-calling and attacks on me begin!

Fashionable is an understatement. Geno is the definition of garbage. I dont understand why so many have this idea that this kid can become more.

There is more Tony Banks in Geno than stardom.

 

[Mainejet]

i understand. but again, there is nothing we can do today to change the jets QB situation. unless you are saying they should just throw petty to the wolves and put him in there today. is this your position?

still waiting for your answer on what the titans would have taken to move up to the 1st pick...

No. But there's also nothing wrong with talking about what the team needs. There's just a bunch of dingbats on this site that don't like the idea of criticizing your own team. Like the old Jets Insider speech police. DUMB.

I am SIGHTING what this team needs to go over the top and I think it's rather obvious to anyone that isn't doesn't get their panties in a bunch from the slightest criticizing word.

 

[OCCH]

No. But there's also nothing wrong with talking about what the team needs. There's just a bunch of dingbats on this site that don't like the idea of criticizing your own team. Like the old Jets Insider speech police. DUMB.

I am SIGHTING what this team needs to go over the top and I think it's rather obvious to anyone that isn't doesn't get their panties in a bunch from the slightest criticizing word.

It is obvious, which is why we don't need to be reminded (or CITED) every time we log on.

No one here thinks Fitz is our long-term answer, but there are some enjoying the ride until it ends. As Hobson said, what else can we do?

Even if/when we get our franchise QB, success still isn't guaranteed. The Giants are proof that getting hot at the right time is WAY more important than having the "superior" team . . .

 

[hobson54]

No. But there's also nothing wrong with talking about what the team needs. There's just a bunch of dingbats on this site that don't like the idea of criticizing your own team. Like the old Jets Insider speech police. DUMB.

I am SIGHTING what this team needs to go over the top and I think it's rather obvious to anyone that isn't doesn't get their panties in a bunch from the slightest criticizing word.

i may be a dingbat, but at least i know the difference between CITING and SIGHTING

btw - still waiting for your answer on what Tenn would have traded for the #1 pick. you recall this earlier post...

Well, personally I thought the asking price to move up and grab Marcus Mariota was worth it.

 

[Elias]

No. But there's also nothing wrong with talking about what the team needs. There's just a bunch of dingbats on this site that don't like the idea of criticizing your own team. Like the old Jets Insider speech police. DUMB.

I am SIGHTING what this team needs to go over the top and I think it's rather obvious to anyone that isn't doesn't get their panties in a bunch from the slightest criticizing word.

All your points can be made without calling anyone a dingbat. Please refrain from doing so. It just takes away from your posts and makes us focus on your insults which is a shame.

 

[Mainejet]

All your points can be made without calling anyone a dingbat. Please refrain from doing so. It just takes away from your posts and makes us focus on your insults which is a shame.

Have you actually looked back through this thread to see what other posters are calling me? I am getting tarred and feathered in this thread simply because what I post MATTERS. Yet I am the one getting sighted? That doesn't make sense.

 

[Elias]

Have you actually looked back through this thread to see what other posters are calling me? I am getting tarred and feathered in this thread simply because what I post MATTERS. Yet I am the one getting sighted? That doesn't make sense.

I don't play favorites but if I missed anything, my bad. When you have a reputation of calling people names and stuff you do get noticed more. Anyways, I don't mean any disrespect. The same rules apply to everyone and I'll pay more attention.

 

[Mainejet]

I don't play favorites but if I missed anything, my bad. When you have a reputation of calling people names and stuff you do get noticed more. Anyways, I don't mean any disrespect. The same rules apply to everyone and I'll pay more attention.

It's all good, Elias. No disrespect taken. I think you run a great board here.

 

[hobson54]

Have you actually looked back through this thread to see what other posters are calling me? I am getting tarred and feathered in this thread simply because what I post MATTERS. Yet I am the one getting sighted? That doesn't make sense.

after you tell us what tennessee would have taken for the #1 pick, can you show examples of people calling you names and "tar and feathering" you in this thread?

 

[Mainejet]

i may be a dingbat, but at least i know the difference between CITING and SIGHTING

btw - still waiting for your answer on what Tenn would have traded for the #1 pick. you recall this earlier post...

The sources that I heard of said they wanted our number 1 and number 2 in 2015 and our number 1 in 2016. If you're looking a franchise QB in the face and that's the asking price, that's the chance you have to take. We also would gotten a 5th or 6th in return either this year or next.

 

[flgreen]

Have you actually looked back through this thread to see what other posters are calling me? I am getting tarred and feathered in this thread simply because what I post MATTERS. Yet I am the one getting sighted? That doesn't make sense.

Maine, I'm making this post as a poster, not as a mod, I quickly ran thru the thread, and in fairness can't really find anything that requires a mod response.

But from time to time you do approach the "Sg" line. . From my stand point divergent opinions are welcome, and make the board interesting.

You are more then welcome to attack another posters "opinions" but please stay away from that line where it can easily be interpreted that you are attacking the poster. Thanks

BTW what happened to your avatar?

 

[hobson54]

The sources that I heard of said they wanted our number 1 and number 2 in 2015 and our number 1 in 2016. If you're looking a franchise QB in the face and that's the asking price, that's the chance you have to take. We also would gotten a 5th or 6th in return either this year or next.

thanks for the answer.

to me, that was too much for mariota. if he were someone like luck coming out of college, perhaps i'd pull the trigger. and i know the early results are good for him, so maybe he will turn out to be worth it. but it sounds an awful lot like what washington paid to get RGIII, and that hasn't worked out to well for them. and for the record, i am not comparing mariotta to RGIII - just the suggested asking price and the fact both came out of great college systems not necessarily known for translating into pro success.


on edit - i think i mis-read your post at 1st (or forgot what year we are in). i thought you meant 3 years of a #1 plus this year's #2 . that price is a little more reasonable. not sure tenn would have done it. still i personally didn't view as a can't miss QB prospect (i did like him and would have taken him at 6 if he feel though)

 

[flgreen]

thanks for the answer.

to me, that was too much for mariota. if he were someone like luck coming out of college, perhaps i'd pull the trigger. and i know the early results are good for him, so maybe he will turn out to be worth it. but it sounds an awful lot like what washington paid to get RGIII, and that hasn't worked out to well for them. and for the record, i am not comparing mariotta to RGIII - just the suggested asking price and the fact both came out of great college systems not necessarily known for translating into pro success.


on edit - i think i mis-read your post at 1st (or forgot what year we are in). i thought you meant 3 years of a [URL=http://jetsfansunited.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] plus this year's #2 . that price is a little more reasonable. not sure tenn would have done it. still i personally didn't view as a can't miss QB prospect (i did like him and would have taken him at 6 if he feel though)

I agree. During the draft process, I heard all kinds of rumors about what they wanted for Mariota Ranging from he wasn't available at all, to numerous #1 's. None from reliable sources. Mostly from blogs, just trying to put something out there, or even from posters.

I agree that if Mariota, or Winston were available at #6 I would have taken either quickly. But IMO neither were a sure fire, can't miss QB that was worth selling the farm for.

I'm good where the Jet are right now. Intelligent veteran QB. Smart, very naturally talented, rookie QB, who we have to pray can pick up some of Fitz's strong traits quickly. Or if a QB out of next years draft falls with in reasonable striking distance of the Jets to make the move.

 

[NYJDraftKing]

Right now only Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rogers, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton & Andy Dalton are having "Elite Quarterback" years ...(Newton & Dalton will fizzle out as they do every year) so what does that say about need ...? The other four have been the only elites forever.

 

[Mainejet]

Well then every single team except one each year is wasting their time.
Do I want a Super Bowl? of course. Do we all want a SB? Of course.

I don't understand how you can be so negative all the time, especially when it appears we are headed in the right direction.

We ALL know we need a franchise QB. Have you seen one person advocating for Geno or Fitz as a long term solution? Not lately....

However there isn't a damn thing we can do about it until the 2016 draft, so why let it ruin your enjoyment of a 3-1 start with a team that is playing pretty good football right now.

I'm guessing it's because you're a "glass half empty" kinda guy.

Mugatu, I am as happy as you are about their start. Honestly, it's been a shockingly nice surprise by this team.. But I am also tired of being disappointed. I want them to follow through by beating top notch teams.

And here's the joke or the disappointment (depending on how you choose to look at it), we are going to face the Patsies in a couple of weeks. When that happens? The fantasy is all gone. We will find out with no uncertain terms that our team has a long way to go.

It's ALWAYS the very same reason - lack of a decent QB. Talking about needing one and advocating we get rid of the bad QB's is a step in the right direction. I'm not saying get rid of Fitz, we need Fitz for the time being, but I am all for getting rid of Geno.

He's the lingering sign of an incompetent GM. He's a turnover machine. He's a douchebag. He's every bad name you can think of. For people with any sort of morals or politeness, he is a punch line.

Bryce Petty is a great pick. I still 100% agree with that pick. But I still think having more than one young guy in camp would be a good strategy.

Let the youngsters and the veteran shoot it out in training camp. Let the chips fall where they may. Talking about QB issues right now is merely a function of seeing the article in the right margin of this page. But I agree with everything said.

 

[Mainejet]

I agree. During the draft process, I heard all kinds of rumors about what they wanted for Mariota Ranging from he wasn't available at all, to numerous #1 's. None from reliable sources. Mostly from blogs, just trying to put something out there, or even from posters.

I agree that if Mariota, or Winston were available at #6 I would have taken either quickly. But IMO neither were a sure fire, can't miss QB that was worth selling the farm for.

I'm good where the Jet are right now. Intelligent veteran QB. Smart, very naturally talented, rookie QB, who we have to pray can pick up some of Fitz's strong traits quickly. Or if a QB out of next years draft falls with in reasonable striking distance of the Jets to make the move.

I didn't think Winston was a sure fire, can't miss QB. But I was very much willing to execute the trade I spoke of to grab Mariota. I never liked Winston. I was actually astonished he was taken at number 1. I figured 1st round, but certainly not number 1.

 

[flgreen]

I didn't think Winston was a sure fire, can't miss QB. But I was very much willing to execute the trade I spoke of to grab Mariota. I never liked Winston. I was actually astonished he was taken at number 1. I figured 1st round, but certainly not number 1.

All a moot point now. But at the time I liked Winston because he seemed much more pro ready. Was very concerned about his throwing motion, big wind up. Also his penchant for trying to squeeze balls in very small windows .

Mariota I also liked but kind of put him in the same bag as Petty. Tons of talent, but a lot of learning to do. People forget that at the end of the 2013 season a lot of people were saying Petty was going to be the first QB taken. Put up great #'s as a junior. Then he broke two small bones in his back. No long term ramifications, but he was playing in a lot of pain last year. Production dropped, so did he.

I know that Mariota is lighting it up right now, but I hope he isn't going to regret being thrown into the fire prematurely. NFL teams just might figure him out as the season progresses. he might not be able to adjust because he didn't get the fundamentals instilled in him early.

We'll see how it all plays out over the next 3 years.