Jets' dream offseason - TOJ

[Old#15]

This is the second part of an article that began with Connor Rogers’s full 7 round mock draft. We’re doing it a little backwards where Connor’s mock draft came out and impacts what we decided to do in free agency. First, let’s start with a look at the New York Jets unrestricted free agents…

Muhammad Wilkerson
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Chris Ivory
Damon Harrison
Calvin Pace
Bilal Powell
Demario Davis
Antonio Allen
Jaiquawn Jarrett
Leger Douzable
Darrin Walls
Stevan Ridley
Benjamin Ijalana
Stephen Bowen
Willie Colon
Jamari Lattimore
Chris Owusu
Kellen Davis
Zach Sudfeld
Erin Henderson
Ryan Quigley
Kenbrell Thompkins
Randy Bullock

Next, let’s look at how much cap space they have heading into the offseason. These numbers are from the good people at overthgcap.com:

Salaries: $141,739,960
Salary Cap: $152,484,216
Estimated Cap Space: $10,744,256

Now, let’s take care of the in house business first. These contract figures are guesses on my part, but it’s what I’d pay the in house guys. If you don’t see someone there, it means that is someone who I’d let go:

Muhammad Wilkerson (Extended, 5 years/$43.25M ($25M guaranteed), Cap Number: $9.0M)
Ryan Fitzpatrick (Extended, 2 years/$16M, 2016 cap number of $7M)
Calvin Pace (Extended, 2 years/$2M, 2016 Cap Number of $1M)
Bilal Powell (Extended, 2 years/$2.25M, 2016 Cap Number of $1.25M)
Jamari Lattimore (Extended, 1 year/$900,000, 2016 Cap Number of $900,000)
Erin Henderson (Extended, 2 years/$2.25M, 2016 Cap Number of $1M)

After these moves, the Jets are actually in the red and are over the cap by an estimated $17,817,411. We’ll get to that in a bit. By keeping these 6, that means the Jets lose the following players:

Chris Ivory
Damon Harrison
Demario Davis
Antonio Allen
Jaiquawn Jarrett
Leger Douzable
Darrin Walls
Stevan Ridley
Benjamin Ijalana
Stephen Bowen
Willie Colon
Chris Owusu
Kellen Davis
Zach Sudfeld
Ryan Quigley
Kenbrell Thompkins
Randy Bullock

Analysis: Harrison was the hardest player to part ways with. However, his snaps had decreased and the Jets need to find more playing time for Leonard Williams. This is how they do it. Ivory was the AFC’s leading rusher, but his curious usage in week 17 coupled with his likely price tag means he’s gone too. Demario Davis got outplayed by Erin Henderson, and he provides no special teams value. Plus, he is not a 3-4 ILB and gives up way too many plays in the passing game. Now, let’s continue with the in house business by completing the restructures of some key players:

Antonio Cromartie’s cap number decreased to $3.3M
D’Brickashaw Ferguson’s cap number decreased to $9.7M
Nick Mangold’s cap number decreased to $4.9M
Brandon Marshall’s cap number decreased to $5.2M

Last for in house business is the cutting of these players:

WR Jeremy Kerley
RB Zac Stacy
RT Breno Giacomini
TE Jeff Cumberland

At this point and after the cuts/restructures/resignings, the Jets have 58 players under contract and $17.1M in cap space. Here’s the players I think they add in free agency:

RT Mitchell Schwartz (4 years, $18M)

Schwartz is 26 years old and would continue the revitalization of a Jets OL that hasn’t been very good in recent years. James Carpenter was incredible this past year, and Schwartz slides in at RT to give the Jets one of the better younger right sides in the NFL.

RB Lamar Miller (3 years, $9M)

Signing Miller away from Miami would be a coup. Miller is 24 years old and is coming off an underutilized season where he averaged 4.5 yards per carry. Miller has 117 receptions on 152 targets in his career, and represents a cheaper alternative to Chris Ivory.

TE Zach Miller (2 years, $3M)

Adding Zach Miller, owner of 6 seasons of at least 30+ catches in his 7 NFL seasons, to replace the horrific tandem of Jeff Cumberland/Kellen Davis is an immediate upgrade. Miller, Jace Amaro, and Quincy Enunwa have games that compliment each other really well. I expect Enunwa to become a Jermichael Finley type of weapon in the pass game, but adding Miller does let the Jets keep him at H-back and rotate Miller and Amaro at TE.

WR Jaron Brown (2 years, $2M)

Brown is one of the good finds by the revamped Arizona Cardinals front office. He is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent and would be a solid addition for the Jets. The former Clemson Tiger fits the mold of the WRs the Jets want, and he could contribute in the kick return game. Brown isn’t overly explosive, but he does display good vision with the ball and would be a good replacement for the departing Kenbrell Tompkins.

OLB Larry English (1 year league minimum deal)

The Jets special teams has been awful for far too long. I think adding a veteran special teams contributor and spot starter like Larry English is a very good signing because it provides you insurance for your first round pick (see below) and improves your special teams.

RT J’Marcus Webb (1 year league minimum deal)

Webb can play both guard and tackle, and that kind of versatility is a hot commodity. The Jets would be wise to add Webb as their swing tackle/backup guard to both ensure that they can manage their roster with as much flexibility as possible and to add another quality special teams player.

FS Dwight Lowery (2 year, $1.5M deal)

Dwight Lowery was a fan favorite for Jet fans when he was here previously, but this isn’t just some nostalgia signing. Last year, Lowery had 4 interceptions and 8 passes defended for the Colts and is slated to become a free agent. Marcus Gilchrist was better than a lot of people expected for the Jets last year, but with Antonio Allen and Jarrett being let go they’re going to need to add some depth behind him. Lowery gives the Jets another movable chess piece on defense as he is good in man to man coverage and is a pretty good tackler.

DE/DT Daquan Bowers (3 years, $2.5M)

Bowers played both inside and at DE in the Bucs 4-3 alignment this year. At 6’4″ and 288 pounds, he isn’t the most ideal DT in a 3-4, but as a depth signing his flexibility is invaluable. He can replace Leger Double as a rotational piece on the DL and with 7 career sacks he has shown that he can provide something off the edge.

DT Barry Cofield (1 year league minimum deal)

Cofield is a strong depth signing and has experience playing the NT in a 3-4 system.

LT Sam Young (2 year $1.5M deal)

At best, Young gives the Jets a young LT to learn behind D’Brickashaw Ferguson and potentially take over if Brick retires. At worst, it improves the depth behind Ferguson. Young has great height and bulk with good natural strength and was a four year starter at Notre Dame.

After these free agent signings, the Jets have approximately $3M in cap space plus their rookie pool.

As a recap, here’s Connor’s six draft picks:
20. Noah Spence, EDGE, Eastern Kentucky
51. Paul Perkins, RB, UCLA
83. Deion Jones, ILB, LSU
119. KJ Dillon, DB, West Virginia
157. Paul McRoberts, WR, SE Missouri State
198. Tom Hackett, P, Utah

Analysis: Adding Noah Spence (this year’s Marcus Peters) to a very good defense gives the Jets an edge presence they have not had in a very long time. Spence’s motor is relentless, and he consistently gets to the QB. Him and Mauldin off the edge of Bowles’ 3-4 defense cleaning up the sacks generated by the interior rush of Williams, Richardson, and Wilkerson makes the Jets that much formidable. Paul Perkins is a top 50 player for me in this draft, and his skills mesh well with Powell and Miller’s. Perkins has game breaking speed, is electric with the ball in his hands, and would accomplish Todd Bowles’ desire to get faster this offseason.

Jones is athletic enough to cover in the flats and with Henderson back in the fold doesn’t have to be rushed into the starting lineup. He can be used similar to Deone Buchanan was last year, because he’s too big to be a safety but too small right now to be an every down LB. KJ Dillon improves the special teams instantly, and he gets to develop behind Cromartie for a year or two before potentially taking over for him. He’s big and physical, and seems to play with nasty streak. Getting him in round four is very good value. McRoberts is built like the Jets type of WR just like Jaron Brown, but whereas Brown is much more of a technician McRoberts can flat out fly. He’d be good insurance for Devin Smith. Hackett lets you get rid of Quiggley and (for the umpteenth time) improve the special teams.

Based off these offseason moves, here is what the Jets 53 man roster looks like:

Offense

QB: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Geno Smith, Bryce Petty
RB: Lamar Miller, Bilal Powell, Paul Perkins
FB: Tommy Bohanon
WR: Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker, Jaron Brown, Quincy Enunwa, Devin Smith, Paul McRoberts
TE: Zach Miller, Jace Amaro
OT: D’Brickashaw Ferguson, Mitchell Schwartz, Sam Young, J’Marcus Webb
OG: James Carpenter, Brian Winters, Jarvis Harrison, Dakota Dozier
C: Nick Mangold

Defense

DE: Muhammed Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson, Leonard Williams, Mike Catapano
DT: Deon Simon, Barry Cofield, Daquan Bowers
OLB: Noah Spence, Lorenzo Mauldin, Trevor Reilly, Larry English, Calvin Pace
ILB: David Harris, Erin Henderson, Jamari Lattimore, Deion Jones
CB: Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Buster Skrine, Marcus Williams, Dexter McDougle, KJ Dillon
FS: Marcus Gilchrist, Dwight Lowery
SS: Calvin Pryor, Rontez Miles


Special Teams
K: Nick Folk
P: Tom Hackett
LS: Tanner Purdum


Offseason Analysis
The Jets enter this offseason with three priorities: get faster, resign Muhammed Wilkerson and Ryan Fitzpatrick, and improve their special teams. This offseason does all of those things. KJ Dillon helps as a punt returner and gunner. Keeping Jamari Lattimore keeps one of your better special teams players. Getting rid of Quigley with a stud like Hackett goes a long way towards accomplishing goal number three. While I am not crazy about the idea of keeping Ryan Fitzpatrick, at that price tag I can’t complain. Mitchell Schwartz is a huge addition, as he’s young and an improvement over Breno Giacomini. Restructuring Ferguson lets you keep him as a Jet and free up space. Same goes for Cromartie and Marshall. The jewel of the offseason is Noah Spence though. Jet fans will scoff at taking another defensive player in the first round, but getting a top 5 player in this draft at 20 is borderline highway robbery. I could be talked into Jaylon Smith (he’s the best player in the draft to me), but the uncertainty regarding his availability for the 2016 season does worry me.Lastly, this offseason makes the Jets deeper and gives them flexibility in terms of how they manage their roster on game days.

Turn on the Jets

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A lot of great moves here, some of those perhaps pie in the sky. Particularly like the Jets mock draft, adding speed and playmakers all around.

 

[flgreen]

It's a fun article, but some what unrealistic.

Wilkerson is not playing for 8+ million. I'm sure they have offered him more at this point. I don't know what he's asking for but suspect he's looking for 14-15 million. Ouch

Powell's worth minimum 3 million after what he showed in flashes last year. He's a good runner, good receiver, and a good blocker, always has been. Last year he showed flashes of being an impact 3rd down receiver. Somebody's going to pay him. Hope it's the Jets

Cro and Brick will take major pay cuts or be gone. Why would Mangold take a cut to under 5? He's still playing at a high level, and the Jets OL was noticeably diminished when he was hurt this year. They have no leverage on him, don't save any money by cutting him. Don't think it's agood idea redoing his deal and pushing money down the road at his age. That's how a team winds up in cap hell.

After close to a career year Marshall IS NOT taking close to a 4.5 million dollar pay cut. Put that in stone. Marshall was a good guy on the Jets this year. Try to cut his pay in half after the contribution he made to the team this year and watch what happens. They gave him an extra million over what his contract was last year to keep him happy. They are not cutting it in half.

That's JMO any how

 

[Old#15]

It's a fun article, but some what unrealistic.

Wilkerson is not playing for 8+ million. I'm sure they have offered him more at this point. I don't know what he's asking for but suspect he's looking for 14-15 million. Ouch

Powell's worth minimum 3 million after what he showed in flashes last year. He's a good runner, good receiver, and a good blocker, always has been. Last year he showed flashes of being an impact 3rd down receiver. Somebody's going to pay him. Hope it's the Jets

Cro and Brick will take major pay cuts or be gone. Why would Mangold take a cut to under 5? He's still playing at a high level, and the Jets OL was noticeably diminished when he was hurt this year. They have no leverage on him, don't save any money by cutting him. Don't think it's agood idea redoing his deal and pushing money down the road at his age. That's how a team winds up in cap hell.

After close to a career year Marshall IS NOT taking close to a 4.5 million dollar pay cut. Put that in stone. Marshall was a good guy on the Jets this year. Try to cut his pay in half after the contribution he made to the team this year and watch what happens. They gave him an extra million over what his contract was last year to keep him happy. They are not cutting it in half.

That's JMO any how

Thanks for the reality check, kinda what I meant by the pie in the sky comment. My concern is that we are able stockpile some real talent in the upcoming draft and UDFA, plus pluck a good young player or two like Carpenter for our OL. Clearly though there will be some sticky cap decisions that MM will have to navigate carefully, and in the short term it may not be pretty. I have confidence that he will continue to keep us competitive in the short term while having a long term focus.

 

[flgreen]

Thanks for the reality check, kinda what I meant by the pie in the sky comment. My concern is that we are able stockpile some real talent in the upcoming draft and UDFA, plus pluck a good young player or two like Carpenter for our OL. Clearly though there will be some sticky cap decisions that MM will have to navigate carefully, and in the short term it may not be pretty. I have confidence that he will continue to keep us competitive in the short term while having a long term focus.

I've said this before but IMO the MVP of he Jets is Macc. He more then anybody gives me real hope for the future. The Jets actually have it right this time. They have a well respected scout as GM, and a very creative cap person in Jackie Davidson to make the #'s do magic.

This time of year fans are looking toward the draft and FA for help on the roster. IMO Macc is going to look at his own roster, beyond the starters for help. He may find some. For instance. (I admit before I start this I am going to be making some assumptions that may or may not be true)

Giacomini was rated by PFF as being one of the worst RT's in the league. Cutting him saves almost 4 million. He's got to go.

Last summer the Jets gave Brent Qvale a long look as a starter at both RG, and RT. Guys a 6'7" monster. He played pretty well. Got blown up a few times in pass protection. I though he had a chance to win one of the spots. In the end they went with the vets, but kept Qvale on the active roster all year to protect him. I don't think it's a reach at all to think he might win that RT spot in camp and send Breno on his merry way.

Don't know what it's all about but there is something going on between Amaro and Bowles. Amaro hasn't been in the building since he was IR'd with some what of a questionable injury, he counts 1.2 against the cap. The Jets have another TE on IR who was in the building every day, and who I really like (don't know if Macc does) Zack Sudfeld. They also have a rookie who has shown some flashes in Wes Saxton. Amaro still has some trade value. Macc has said repeatedly the way to put up consistent winners over the years is through the draft. Jets only have 6 draft picks this year. If the rift between Amaro and the Jets is real, I won't be stunned at all to see Amaro traded, with in house replacements. Not saying this is definitely going to happen, but it could.

There are other guys currently on the roster I'm not going through 1 by 1 but COULD be an up grade.

Deion Barnes, Jarvis Harrison, Deon Simon, Antonio Allen, and Mike Catapano. Not saying all these guys are going to hit, but all these guys have shown varying degrees of flashes. if any of them can upgrade the roster, and IMO some can, I'm confident Macc is already aware of their ceilings, before he goes out spending cap space, he really doesn't have.

Right now I believe Macc will get it done. I saw a tweet that Macc was 1 of only 3 GM's that were at the Shrine game. Most of them were resting up for the coming week at the Senior Bowl. Macc flew off Friday night to Mobile. There's a lot of good mid round picks, and UDFA's at the Shrine game. Hopefully Macc found one

 

[Old#15]

I've said this before but IMO the MVP of he Jets is Macc. He more then anybody gives me real hope for the future. The Jets actually have it right this time. They have a well respected scout as GM, and a very creative cap person in Jackie Davidson to make the #'s do magic.

This time of year fans are looking toward the draft and FA for help on the roster. IMO Macc is going to look at his own roster, beyond the starters for help. He may find some. For instance. (I admit before I start this I am going to be making some assumptions that may or may not be true)

Giacomini was rated by PFF as being one of the worst RT's in the league. Cutting him saves almost 4 million. He's got to go.

Last summer the Jets gave Brent Qvale a long look as a starter at both RG, and RT. Guys a 6'7" monster. He played pretty well. Got blown up a few times in pass protection. I though he had a chance to win one of the spots. In the end they went with the vets, but kept Qvale on the active roster all year to protect him. I don't think it's a reach at all to think he might win that RT spot in camp and send Breno on his merry way.

Don't know what it's all about but there is something going on between Amaro and Bowles. Amaro hasn't been in the building since he was IR'd with some what of a questionable injury, he counts 1.2 against the cap. The Jets have another TE on IR who was in the building every day, and who I really like (don't know if Macc does) Zack Sudfeld. They also have a rookie who has shown some flashes in Wes Saxton. Amaro still has some trade value. Macc has said repeatedly the way to put up consistent winners over the years is through the draft. Jets only have 6 draft picks this year. If the rift between Amaro and the Jets is real, I won't be stunned at all to see Amaro traded, with in house replacements. Not saying this is definitely going to happen, but it could.

There are other guys currently on the roster I'm not going through 1 by 1 but COULD be an up grade.

Deion Barnes, Jarvis Harrison, Deon Simon, Antonio Allen, and Mike Catapano. Not saying all these guys are going to hit, but all these guys have shown varying degrees of flashes. if any of them can upgrade the roster, and IMO some can, I'm confident Macc is already aware of their ceilings, before he goes out spending cap space, he really doesn't have.

Right now I believe Macc will get it done. I saw a tweet that Macc was 1 of only 3 GM's that were at the Shrine game. Most of them were resting up for the coming week at the Senior Bowl. Macc flew off Friday night to Mobile. There's a lot of good mid round picks, and UDFA's at the Shrine game. Hopefully Macc found one

A lot of good points, particularly about the young seedlings currently on the roster who may have pretty decent and importantly cost effective ceilings. Also real curious about the Amaro/Bowles situation. Was it just his antagonizing the ex-HC, or something much more? Where have you heard or read that he hasn't been in the building since being IR'd?

 

[flgreen]

A lot of good points, particularly about the young seedlings currently on the roster who may have pretty decent and importantly cost effective ceilings. Also real curious about the Amaro/Bowles situation. Was it just his antagonizing the ex-HC, or something much more? Where have you heard or read that he hasn't been in the building since being IR'd?

Both Cimini and Slater had small articles about his being MIA, while Sudfeld has been here. I later read a small bit that he was in the building for a mandatory physical, and disappeared again.

In all honesty I have no idea what is going on, but something is. Whether it can be resolved or not, I also have no idea.

Before his injury, Amaro was carried as the last TE on the depth chart. That was behind guys like Kellen Davis.Last season Amaro said he is one of the best receiving TE's in football and has no real desire to block. Don't think that is going to bode well with Bowles. We'll see how it all plays out. But if the story's are true, I could definitely see him being moved

 

[raideraholic]

It's a fun article, but some what unrealistic.

Wilkerson is not playing for 8+ million. I'm sure they have offered him more at this point. I don't know what he's asking for but suspect he's looking for 14-15 million. Ouch

Powell's worth minimum 3 million after what he showed in flashes last year. He's a good runner, good receiver, and a good blocker, always has been. Last year he showed flashes of being an impact 3rd down receiver. Somebody's going to pay him. Hope it's the Jets

Cro and Brick will take major pay cuts or be gone. Why would Mangold take a cut to under 5? He's still playing at a high level, and the Jets OL was noticeably diminished when he was hurt this year. They have no leverage on him, don't save any money by cutting him. Don't think it's agood idea redoing his deal and pushing money down the road at his age. That's how a team winds up in cap hell.

After close to a career year Marshall IS NOT taking close to a 4.5 million dollar pay cut. Put that in stone. Marshall was a good guy on the Jets this year. Try to cut his pay in half after the contribution he made to the team this year and watch what happens. They gave him an extra million over what his contract was last year to keep him happy. They are not cutting it in half.

That's JMO any how

I'm no cap expert, but technically all those guys could play for that amount. ( jets just have to give a big signing bonus- pushing money to future years- maybe looking to get past Revis contract) . That what I think they are talking about , as the player not giving up any money- just getting more money up front. You have to be cafeful doing this too much , because it can lead to cap hell down the road.

 

[flgreen]

I'm no cap expert, but technically all those guys could play for that amount. ( jets just have to give a big signing bonus- pushing money to future years- maybe looking to get past Revis contract) . That what I think they are talking about , as the player not giving up any money- just getting more money up front. You have to be cafeful doing this too much , because it can lead to cap hell down the road.

I don't think that's what he's talking about Raider. If he was he would have just said re-negotiate and push money down the road.
Like I said it was a fun article, but all he is doing is playing Madden. Oh just pay Mangold 4+ million. Not happening.

To push Brick's (who's play has already fallen off a bit) Mangold's and Marshall's money into 2018 would be just stupid. Then in 2018 they will be in the same mess they were in in 2013. About 60% of your cap being eaten up by old guys who are playing poorly. I think this regime is smarter then that.

Both Bowles and Macc have said they want to get younger, and faster, not older and poorer.

When Mike T did it in 2010 they had just gone to two ACC games. They went all in on 2011. Sanchez never developed, and the team got old. Don't see them doing that again at this point.

Fans may not like it but there are going to be some really tough decisions made here.

 

[Old#15]

Just noticed that the author neglected to mention Dee Milliner as a cut, but excludes him on opening day 53 man roster. By cutting DM, what do we save?

 

[flgreen]

Just noticed that the author neglected to mention Dee Milliner as a cut, but excludes him on opening day 53 man roster. By cutting DM, what do we save?

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Milliner is on the team next year

 

[SackExchange]

It looks like the cap will be easier to manage, as I have seen reports of a cap in excess of $155MM.

 

[Elias]

It looks like the cap will be easier to manage, as I have seen reports of a cap in excess of $155MM.

I read the same report on Twitter. Good news for the Jets. Maybe signing all our stars is possible this year.

 

[jetgreen13]

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Milliner is on the team next year

thank goodness!!

always good to have quality special teams backups..

 

[flgreen]

thank goodness!!

always good to have quality special teams backups..

He'll at least be in camp. This is shyt or git time for him.

 

[jetgreen13]

He'll at least be in camp. This is shyt or git time for him.

honestly i no longer have any expectations for the guy as a jet..

if he hasn't broken, ruptured or pulled something on himself he's to ill to practice/play..

he would be what?? a 4+ million dollar cap hit if cut?? if so, that's a nice chunk of money.. but bowles clearly has no use for milliner, so what is gained by him burning up a roster spot??

git..

 

[flgreen]

honestly i no longer have any expectations for the guy as a jet..

if he hasn't broken, ruptured or pulled something on himself he's to ill to practice/play..

he would be what?? a 4+ million dollar cap hit if cut?? if so, that's a nice chunk of money.. but bowles clearly has no use for milliner, so what is gained by him burning up a roster spot??

git..

Yep, Milliner creates $4M in dead money if cut. Logic would dictate that's why he's still on the team. Suspect Bowles will try to find another CB in the Off season for Milliner to compete with for the back up spot behind Marcus Williams if they cut Cro.

If Cro stays with the team and plays cheap, could be problems for "Sweet Dee".

 

[jetgreen13]

Yep, Milliner creates $4M in dead money if cut. Logic would dictate that's why he's still on the team. Suspect Bowles will try to find another CB in the Off season for Milliner to compete with for the back up spot behind Marcus Williams if they cut Cro.

If Cro stays with the team and plays cheap, could be problems for "Sweet Dee".

he's essentially being paid to just show up to work but contribute absolutely nothing..

one of the worst 1st round picks in franchise history.....

 

[flgreen]

he's essentially being paid to just show up to work but contribute absolutely nothing..

one of the worst 1st round picks in franchise history.....

In all fairness to Milliner, I suspect he will be given an opportunity in OTA's to show, once again, if he has anything, and compete with who ever is brought in, or an existing player on the roster behind Williams, to save his roster spot if he can stay healthy for OTA's and camp.

If he can't, yes, your correct he will be one of the worst draft picks in Jets history considering where he was selected.

He does have some talent, but so did Coples, Wilson, and Gholson. If you look at what he's done, even when healthy, he wasn't very good.

According to Pro Football Reference in 20013 PFR gave Milliner an AV (Approximate Value) of 5. Not good. That was the year Rex, who never benched, or disciplined anyone, benched him 3 times. In 2014, the year he was hurt in the 3rd game, the same year that some posters say he was having a good year till he was hurt, and use as evidence that he is a good player, PFR gave him an AV of 1 for the 2.5 games he played. WOW , that's horrible.

As a bench mark for what that means, in 2013, the year Milliner received an AV of 5, Cro received an AV of 9. That was Cro's last year with the Jets. He had a horrible season. His hip bothered him all year, at the end of the season the Jets didn't offer him any contract, and he moved off to Ari.

In 2014 the year that Milliner received an AV of 1, Cro again received another AV of 9 from PFR.

I guess it's possible Milliner could have a break out camp next year, stay healthy, and win the starting job. It would be a good thing for the Jets, I'm just not counting on it, and feel pretty sure Bowles isn't either.

IMO, besides a few weeks at the end of 2013, when the season was over for all practical purposes, Milliner hasn't showed squat as a player, and on top of playing poorly, just can't stay healthy.

 

[jetgreen13]

In all fairness to Milliner, I suspect he will be given an opportunity in OTA's to show, once again, if he has anything, and compete with who ever is brought in, or an existing player on the roster behind Williams, to save his roster spot if he can stay healthy for OTA's and camp.

If he can't, yes, your correct he will be one of the worst draft picks in Jets history considering where he was selected.

He does have some talent, but so did Coples, Wilson, and Gholson. If you look at what he's done, even when healthy, he wasn't very good.

According to Pro Football Reference in 20013 PFR gave Milliner an AV (Approximate Value) of 5. Not good. That was the year Rex, who never benched, or disciplined anyone, benched him 3 times. In 2014, the year he was hurt in the 3rd game, the same year that some posters say he was having a good year till he was hurt, and use as evidence that he is a good player, PFR gave him an AV of 1 for the 2.5 games he played. WOW , that's horrible.

As a bench mark for what that means, in 2013, the year Milliner received an AV of 5, Cro received an AV of 9. That was Cro's last year with the Jets. He had a horrible season. His hip bothered him all year, at the end of the season the Jets didn't offer him any contract, and he moved off to Ari.

In 2014 the year that Milliner received an AV of 1, Cro again received another AV of 9 from PFR.

I guess it's possible Milliner could have a break out camp next year, stay healthy, and win the starting job. It would be a good thing for the Jets, I'm just not counting on it, and feel pretty sure Bowles isn't either.

IMO, besides a few weeks at the end of 2013, when the season was over for all practical purposes, Milliner hasn't showed squat as a player, and on top of playing poorly just can't stay healthy.

during last season's late push for the playoffs when we were in "all hands on deck" mode on defense, (LOLz we had richardson's 300 pound ass getting snaps at LB) bowles almost never called milliner's number.. or was it "never??"

anyway, to me, that's as damning as when the team let what's his face get punched in the mouth with no one intervening before, during or after..

 

[flgreen]

during last season's late push for the playoffs when we were in "all hands on deck" mode on defense, (LOLz we had richardson's 300 pound ass getting snaps at LB) bowles almost never called milliner's number.. or was it "never??"

anyway, to me, that's as damning as when the team let what's his face get punched in the mouth with no one intervening before, during or after..

Agree 100%.

BTW, it was "Never" Milliner didn't receive even one snap on defense the final 8 games of the season. That's with Cro clearly hurting, and playing poorly. Not one snap. Yes that speaks volumes of Bowles opinion on Milliner.

That more then anything is why I am so down on Milliner. When he was due to come back from partial season IR I was actually excited. The Jets had just lost to the Pats, and the Raiders, Cro seemed to be having hip problems again. I thought Milliner could come in fresh, and give the team a spark.

He never got on the field. Either Bowles isn't very smart (I think he is) or he doesn't have much of an opinion of Milliner. Much like what happened with "what's his face" when Fitz broke his thumb, and the Jets rushed him back with out missing a game so "what's his face" wouldn't have to get on the field again.