Jets look to have interest in Glennon

[mykcuz]

i know he is. but my point stands that thinking he is worth (theoretically) a 1st and a mid rounder is thinking that gets a GM fired.

and wouldn't he be part of the reason the bucs were a terrible team? he was 4-9 as a rookie, then lost his job to josh mccown, and then was 1-4 when he regained his job later that year.

the next year, the team took winston and the 2-14 team improved to 6-10 and then 9-7

to me, glennon is a JAG. if you want to take a low risk shot on him, fine. but i'd rather not pay him like some established QB and wind up like the texans with a $72 million QB you want to bench.

now it's possible he's a franchise QB that just needs another shot. more likely, he's a mediocre QB who isn't gonna put the jets over the team.

No one thought Bradford was worth his contract let alone hoods trade value. The Vikings showed desperation increases value.

Regardless, it doesn't affect us, offer him a contract if you like him. We need an oc, that has a lot to do with who we go after.

And no, glennon wasnt the reason they were bad. The win loss record wasn't representive of his play, but a team in purgatory. He showed he is capable of playing well with sub par talent, we have better players, and he's had 2 extra years to learn. He's also a very healthy 27.

Bottom line, I have no clue if he's good, I'm not a scout. But apparently nfl level talent evaluators think highly of him, they just didn't want to risk a first round pick for an unknown approaching free agency.

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[jetgreen13]

i don't get the love for glennon. he's a JAG. trading a 1st and a mid rounder for him will lead to mediocre results and no future 1st and mid round pick.

he's got some talent, he's had some success at the NFL level with his limited opportunities & he's still relatively young..

good, bad, right or wrong, what glennon brings to the table gets you 17+ million a year in today's game..

 

[hobson54]

he's got some talent, he's had some success at the NFL level with his limited opportunities & he's still relatively young..

good, bad, right or wrong, what glennon brings to the table gets you 17+ million a year in today's game..

i understand that is what the market says. but were osweiler and bradford worth their "market" prices last year?

 

[jetgreen13]

i understand that is what the market says. but were osweiler and bradford worth their "market" prices last year?

good, bad, right or wrong.....

 

[mykcuz]

he's got some talent, he's had some success at the NFL level with his limited opportunities & he's still relatively young..

good, bad, right or wrong, what glennon brings to the table gets you 17+ million a year in today's game..

Not to mention, look at first pick jameis winston, if we drafted him 1 overall, and only won 9 games this year, we'd be blasting him as a bust. Jets fans have no patience, and when ownership falls into that trap, the team is doomed.

I have no problem with a gm who is searching for a winning qb. If it was so easy, every team would have one after 2 years.

What is important is that we don't get caught in a big cap hit for a bust. Fitz was cheap and good, then we gave him a one year deal for continuity, and he's off the books. Mac has not sacrificed our future for a qb who didn't pan out. And this is how it's done, every year you reevaluate the qb position until you did your guy.

Priority one is building this team for the long run. The search for a franchise qb is always ongoing. If our mindset is to build a better empire than new England or our gm sucks, we have a long journey ahead.

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[mykcuz]

i understand that is what the market says. but were osweiler and bradford worth their "market" prices last year?

Bradford yes
Osweiler undetermined, everyone knew he was a project, Elway offered him almost as much as Houston did, and he's considered to be a genius.

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[BlindsideD'Brick]

The problem is, it's an awful time to need a franchise QB. The college game produces CFL prototype QBs, not NFL prototypes - I mean that not in talent level, but in style and scheme. There are few college programs that run offenses that would groom a QB for the NFL.

That means you may have to overpay for a guy who may be coming into his prime, but has been behind someone a few years, like Glennon.

So true. These talented young QB's aren't being prepared for the NFL game like they used to. Simplifying the game has come at a cost.

 

[lounap23]

I'm curious to see if there will be an "Osweiler Effect" on contracts for guys like Glennon. Lets face it, his body of work is pretty slim, and any GM willing to cough up $17-20 M a year is taking a huge risk.

I definitely think there will be an "Osweiler Effect"..... With that said I don't think it's unrealistic for QB's that have some upside to get a csimilar type of contract.. Only difference might be it will be a heavier cap number year 1 and able to cut bait after that with minimal damage if the QB "Osweilers the season" LOL

 

[hobson54]

good, bad, right or wrong.....

unless i'm mis-reading you, you seem to imply that since other teams overpaid for mediocre QBs, the jets should do the same since this is the "market". is this your assessment? even if it means we end up with a $72 million QB who was benched, it's ok because good, bad, right or wrong, it's what the market says he's worth.

 

[mykcuz]

I definitely think there will be an "Osweiler Effect"..... With that said I don't think it's unrealistic for QB's that have some upside to get a csimilar type of contract.. Only difference might be it will be a heavier cap number year 1 and able to cut bait after that with minimal damage if the QB "Osweilers the season" LOL

There's also a lesson to learn here. Osweiler was strongly liked and supported by Elway, has great measurables, is liked by his teammates, was groomed by great qb coaches, had a hall of famer to watch and learn from, played for a super bowl team, went to a team with a qb guru, and still hasn't reached his potential. Yet, folks wanted petty to be rushed into starting, and should he fail,mac sucks.

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[mykcuz]

unless i'm mis-reading you, you seem to imply that since other teams overpaid for mediocre QBs, the jets should do the same since this is the "market". is this your assessment? even if it means we end up with a $72 million QB who was benched, it's ok because good, bad, right or wrong, it's what the market says he's worth.

I think the problem is your definition is not shared by people in the nfl. "Overpaid" to you, is market value in the nfl. The qb is the most important position in the nfl, and less and less QB's are groomed in college.

Also, osweiler is not a72 million QB. He's a2 year 36 million QB, the guaranteed money is the only thing that matters. That's not a bad deal for a guy who was set up for success, and was known to need further grooming. Houston paid 18 mill/year for a2 year experiment on a qb that has great upside. Remember Houston knew he was a project, so making the playoffs and lasting 2 rounds in his first year isn't bad. If he doesn't improve next year,Houston can move on.

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[usapaw]

The problem IMO is that many people seem to think it would be OK to bring in a 12-18M QB to compete with Petty & Hack. You don’t pay a guy that kind of money unless you are sure he is your starter; no question. Petty & Hack are very cheap right now and worth the gamble. Glennon, is not worth the gamble as he is not a sure fire starter.
Fitz didn’t get his 12M to come in the first year. Although I never wanted to resign him, but understood the logic, Fitz earned the shot at starting and the 12M. Currently Glennon is just an interesting backup. Why did TB take Winston? You don’t take a #1 pick at QB if you believe you have a legit young starter at QB on the roster. I don't believe Glennon is a wise move at market starter money.

 

[hobson54]

houston made the playoffs by being the best team in the worst division in football. osweiler was benched and tom savage started 2 games when they clinched the playoffs. he was then knocked out with a concussion and osweiler came back for week 17 (which they lost).

yes, they beat the raiders in the 1st round when the raiders were forced to play their 3rd string QB due to injuries. i guess he gets credit for not sucking more than connor cook in that game.

i don't consider osweiler's season a success, even if his team made the playoffs and advanced a round. i certainly don't think he earned the $18 million average salary he was paid for the year or the $21 million in cash he collected last year, nor is he worth his $16 million base salary for 2017. and if they move on after 2017, they will have $6 million of dead money.

again, he got benched for tom savage and only got his job back because of injury. heck, o'brien won't even commit to him for next year when he has a $16 million base salary.

so yeah, these are the types of contracts i wish to avoid for mediocre QBs. you may not consider osweiler overpaid since the houston GM felt the need to give him that contract. most other GMs probably would consider that type of money to a QB you ended up benching as being overpaid.

 

[mykcuz]

houston made the playoffs by being the best team in the worst division in football. osweiler was benched and tom savage started 2 games when they clinched the playoffs. he was then knocked out with a concussion and osweiler came back for week 17 (which they lost).

yes, they beat the raiders in the 1st round when the raiders were forced to play their 3rd string QB due to injuries. i guess he gets credit for not sucking more than connor cook in that game.

i don't consider osweiler's season a success, even if his team made the playoffs and advanced a round. i certainly don't think he earned the $18 million average salary he was paid for the year or the $21 million in cash he collected last year, nor is he worth his $16 million base salary for 2017. and if they move on after 2017, they will have $6 million of dead money.

again, he got benched for tom savage and only got his job back because of injury. heck, o'brien won't even commit to him for next year when he has a $16 million base salary.

so yeah, these are the types of contracts i wish to avoid for mediocre QBs. you may not consider osweiler overpaid since the houston GM felt the need to give him that contract. most other GMs probably would consider that type of money to a QB you ended up benching as being overpaid.

He was slightly overpaid because Elway offered him almost the same contact with slightly less guaranteed money. Is Elway a hack?

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[mykcuz]

The problem IMO is that many people seem to think it would be OK to bring in a 12-18M QB to compete with Petty & Hack. You don’t pay a guy that kind of money unless you are sure he is your starter; no question. Petty & Hack are very cheap right now and worth the gamble. Glennon, is not worth the gamble as he is not a sure fire starter.
Fitz didn’t get his 12M to come in the first year. Although I never wanted to resign him, but understood the logic, Fitz earned the shot at starting and the 12M. Currently Glennon is just an interesting backup. Why did TB take Winston? You don’t take a #1 pick at QB if you believe you have a legit young starter at QB on the roster. I don't believe Glennon is a wise move at market starter money.

I disagree, glennon is a starter, how good,I don't know, but a starter.
Tampa took winston, not because of glennon,but because winston is considered a generational qb. You don't pass on drafting Aaron Rodgers because you have Pennington.

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[mykcuz]

Can anyone name a free agent qb that mac missed out on the last 2 years?

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[jetgreen13]

unless i'm mis-reading you, you seem to imply that since other teams overpaid for mediocre QBs, the jets should do the same since this is the "market". is this your assessment? even if it means we end up with a $72 million QB who was benched, it's ok because good, bad, right or wrong, it's what the market says he's worth.

if you want to trade for or sign guys like osweiler, bradford or glennon, your inheriting or signing those kind of guys for 17+ per.. hell, if cousins hits the market this off season, he's easily going to command 20+ per.. as a GM, if you move on these kind of guys, you better hope like the dickens you guessed right.. so yes, if you think your "guy" is a already in the league, you're going to have to pay him like a top tier QB.. i'm OK with that but LOLz it's not my ass on the line, so there is that..

but how about you?? do you only want to draft potential 10+ year starters because it's more cost affective under their rookie contracts??

 

[jetgreen13]

There's also a lesson to learn here. Osweiler was strongly liked and supported by Elway, has great measurables, is liked by his teammates, was groomed by great qb coaches, had a hall of famer to watch and learn from, played for a super bowl team, went to a team with a qb guru, and still hasn't reached his potential. Yet, folks wanted petty to be rushed into starting, and should he fail,mac sucks.

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in all fairness, i've heard much more here about how bowles & his staff did petty no favors as far as getting him up to speed by year two..

i'm in that camp, for what it's worth..

 

[usapaw]

I disagree, glennon is a starter, how good,I don't know, but a starter.
Tampa took winston, not because of glennon,but because winston is considered a generational qb. You don't pass on drafting Aaron Rodgers because you have Pennington.

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Well, I can't say I can agree with you either so we can agree to disagree. Winston has not done anything to prove he is a "generational QB", that is a very enthusiastic opinion. He is no longer considered an NFL starter until he earns that back. He has played in 2 games in 2 years.

 

[mykcuz]

Well, I can't say I can agree with you either so we can agree to disagree. Winston has not done anything to prove he is a "generational QB", that is a very enthusiastic opinion. He is no longer considered an NFL starter until he earns that back. He has played in 2 games in 2 years.

Winston was and is considered a can't miss franchise player. Not my evaluation.

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